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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    Nova_C wrote: »
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    That's looking uncomfortably like being surrounded. o.O

    Phoenix-D on
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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    HOLDDDDDD


    HOLDDDDDD

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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    There are multiple fires to the south, and most communities south of us are evacuated.
    Get in the water?

    Realistically? No, 20,000 people can't tread water in a lake while a fire burns around them for hours or days.

    Sorry 😣

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    i started playing this really good phone game called Murder by Choice and i really like it, it's fully voice acted etc. kinda Agatha Christie esque story.

    but it's also super fucking annoying because there's finite energy and every task takes a ridiculous amount of energy and so I can only do like 4 things in the game before I'm out of energy and the only way to get more energy is to pay. and I don't wanna.

    most annoyed

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    thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    I would buy so much more software if it offered a one time fee over subscriptions

    We had this. For decades.

    And you paid a one time fee that was usually more than the subscription is today, then you bought an upgrade fee once every year or two to get newer versions.

    Sure, you could stop at any time and keep using your version until the OS no longer supported the version you have…

    I dunno. I’m not mad at subscriptions when developers actually use those funds to keep giving me new shit all the time. It’s not a bad model.

    I'm not sure I agree that the one time fee back in the day is more than a subscription these days for all cases.

    Where it all falls apart is that 99.999% of subscription software models are for software that really should be a one-and-done cost, or where the company holds your data hostage if you can't pay-up (e.g., they won't let you download or export in a common and usable format).

    For tools, I really like the perpetual fall-back license that JetBrains does. Can't afford to subscribe to 2024 products? Ok, well, you can still use the original 2023 product you paid for back then, but lose access to the updates.

    Like, I wanted to try Fantastical since it was recommended, but it was all subscription based - so if I couldn't afford to pay (possibility if I get to a point without an income and need to truly tighten my belt) I would lose access to a productivity tool that I had established my habits around - very disruptive in the wrong ways.

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I have a mental vault I keep using a very specific system and it just got the image of Ham sleeping on my wife, just sprawled out over her in the most uncomfortable position.

    I do not want to forget this image, and she won't let me take a photo.

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    There are multiple fires to the south, and most communities south of us are evacuated.
    Get in the water?

    Realistically? No, 20,000 people can't tread water in a lake while a fire burns around them for hours or days.

    Sorry 😣

    No, it's logical, "when fire, add water", and there's a lot of water, here, and it would work for some people, but extrapolating out, it wouldn't work for the whole city.

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    There's no water in that picture.

    In shadow land the earth is water and water is the earth.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Tumin wrote: »
    HOLDDDDDD


    HOLDDDDDD

    The sogs are too many!

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    MimMim I prefer my lovers… dead.Registered User regular
    Bless this doctor for saying I can return to work on the 16th.

    Staying home tomorrow. Hopefully will feel better enough to clean tomorrow. This nausea is a trip.

    Can’t believe I’m gonna say this…but I miss the normal UTI symptoms. I mean, yeah, it hurt to pee but I didn’t feel like I was doing unfun spinning all the time

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    I mean, I feel like what Synd is saying isn't wrong it's just that we're maybe talking about 2 different tiers of softwares.

    Lots of stuff that is like... barely above app level... should not be sold in a SaaS model.

    Like AutoCAD or whatever is fine yeah I'll pay a yearly subscription and always have the latest/greatest because otherwise you're going to have to fuck around with hardware dongles and all this other shit or submit to weird audits and the like.

    In my advanced years I've found it gratifying to finally pay for some of the freeware I've been using forever as well.

    Toss a coin to your Notepad++, oh valley of plenty

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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    Nova this is terrible to ask, but since this just going to be more of a thing going forward

    Can they ("they", mobilized residents?) dig an emergency firebreak?

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    maraji wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    People don’t mind a subscription, they mind when everything is a a subscription and all of a sudden there’s like a hundo coming out of your bank account over the course of a month for different things

    it’s even worse when these apps don’t appear in your Apple subscription list so you’re only reminded of them when they take money out

    just another way people feel increasingly squeezed for every single penny

    THIS

    The fact we have sponsored services on podcasts now where you pay someone to tell you how many subscriptions you have so you can figure out what to get rid of is proof there's a problem.

    Fuck! I forgot to cancel ABC Mouse again!

    I've been paying for Kodable for like 3 months because of this. I said 1 month child!

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Nova this is terrible to ask, but since this just going to be more of a thing going forward

    Can they ("they", mobilized residents?) dig an emergency firebreak?

    I imagine this is what the state of emergency is about. Local businesses are unable to stop work on existing contracts and help, unless authorized by something like this. So this is probably to recruit workers and equipment from the businesses without their own liability ruining them.

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    Would setting backfires be an option?

    Obviously not in a haphazard way but in an organized attempt to clear out the approach vectors

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    And Wiferin has signed off. We are in agreement. We’ll get HVAC person down here to close the loop on finance. And then we’ll get a new central ac and furnace.

    Bonus we are getting a high efficiency model which will be a marked improvement over the 21 year old builders grade model. So hopefully that will cut down my HVAC costs by a good chunk. And I’ll get a tax credit.

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Would setting backfires be an option?

    Obviously not in a haphazard way but in an organized attempt to clear out the approach vectors

    Yeah, there's multiple techniques being used to try to create firebreaks. One of those firebreaks is what got breached. So they'll have to do another closer to the city.

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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited August 2023
    knitdan wrote: »
    Would setting backfires be an option?

    Obviously not in a haphazard way but in an organized attempt to clear out the approach vectors

    This was my thought

    begin emergency construction of firebreaks, begin backburn operations as well, and preposition resources for response and structural protection

    Havelock2.0 on
    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    There are multiple fires to the south, and most communities south of us are evacuated.
    Get in the water?

    Realistically? No, 20,000 people can't tread water in a lake while a fire burns around them for hours or days.

    The Lahaina people that jumped in the water were lucky to be alive even though they immediately scrambled boats to go get them.

    I doubt the water where you are is very warm.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    Sometimes there is just bsic stuff that should be part of the native app

    For example lunar cycles, which for some reason are not included in the Calendar app even though they include every minor holiday from the Feast of Assumption to Zarathustra’s Birthday

    Or on Maps, they never include mile markers which is like the first thing emergency services/ roadside assistance ask for when you call them/i]

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
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    thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Sometimes there is just bsic stuff that should be part of the native app

    For example lunar cycles, which for some reason are not included in the Calendar app even though they include every minor holiday from the Feast of Assumption to Zarathustra’s Birthday

    Or on Maps, they never include mile markers which is like the first thing emergency services/ roadside assistance ask for when you call them/i]

    if you upgrade to our platinum medevac package, your exact coordinates will be sent automatically to responders.

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    Nova this is terrible to ask, but since this just going to be more of a thing going forward

    Can they ("they", mobilized residents?) dig an emergency firebreak?

    Yeah you'd think it'd be all hands on deck pretty quick here. Like on a boat.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Would setting backfires be an option?

    Obviously not in a haphazard way but in an organized attempt to clear out the approach vectors

    This was my thought

    begin emergency construction of firebreaks, begin backburn operations as well, and preposition resources for response and structural protection

    Yep.

    If the fire reaches the city, my expectation is they will move people into the city center, and set up sprinklers and use fire retardant gel to protect structures (This is what they did in Behchoko). I feel reasonable that my place is safe-ish in that event. It's at the edge of the city, but it's right at con mine. There's not a lot of vegetation, so it forms a rather large firebreak.
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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Sometimes there is just bsic stuff that should be part of the native app

    For example lunar cycles, which for some reason are not included in the Calendar app even though they include every minor holiday from the Feast of Assumption to Zarathustra’s Birthday

    Or on Maps, they never include mile markers which is like the first thing emergency services/ roadside assistance ask for when you call them/i]

    if you upgrade to our platinum medevac package, your exact coordinates will be sent automatically to responders.

    Do you remember that hostage service from pre-pandemic where you could get military rescued?

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    There are multiple fires to the south, and most communities south of us are evacuated.
    Get in the water?

    Realistically? No, 20,000 people can't tread water in a lake while a fire burns around them for hours or days.

    The Lahaina people that jumped in the water were lucky to be alive even though they immediately scrambled boats to go get them.

    I doubt the water where you are is very warm.

    Lahaina had hurricane force winds. Combine that with a fringing reef and you have a recipe for a Bad Time regardless of how warm the water is. Plus a lot of people didn't know they needed to be a fair distance offshore to be clear of the gas and heat.

    Hypothermia would be gentler, but still very dead. Going by Google that lake is 50 degrees.

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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    Can we not simply unleash the Canadian snowmen

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Welp just learned two things.

    1) Ham is a ninja when I have headphones on

    2) He's a shoe-chewer

    are YOU on the beer list?
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    thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Sometimes there is just bsic stuff that should be part of the native app

    For example lunar cycles, which for some reason are not included in the Calendar app even though they include every minor holiday from the Feast of Assumption to Zarathustra’s Birthday

    Or on Maps, they never include mile markers which is like the first thing emergency services/ roadside assistance ask for when you call them/i]

    if you upgrade to our platinum medevac package, your exact coordinates will be sent automatically to responders.

    Do you remember that hostage service from pre-pandemic where you could get military rescued?

    I never even knew about something like that. That's wild to think it was a thing and not just a fictional service like in Cyberpunk.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    We have been very busy but I feel like we've been killing it with meals lately in the new house

    - white cheddar mac and cheese with spicy roast cauliflower and roasted walnuts
    - soy and scallion noodle bowl with minced pork and soft egg
    - cheese tortellini in butter, garlic + basil sauce with a kale salad on the side
    - on the weekend, wife made bite size key lime cheesecakes
    - I made a few sherry Manhattans
    - my mom has been more excited about cooking in a multigen house and has been whipping up porkchops stews and bacon and egg breakfasts

    Looking to gain some house weight ngl

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    thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    Nova, are you able to evacuate? That seems like a point I'd be grabbing my go-bag and heading towards an area not engulfed until the danger passes.

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    Nova, are you able to evacuate? That seems like a point I'd be grabbing my go-bag and heading towards an area not engulfed until the danger passes.

    We already ruled out highway and swimming. Presumably wandering into the on fire forest is not a great call either.

    Perhaps he just needs to steal a helicopter.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
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    marajimaraji Registered User regular
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Nova, are you able to evacuate? That seems like a point I'd be grabbing my go-bag and heading towards an area not engulfed until the danger passes.

    We already ruled out highway and swimming. Presumably wandering into the on fire forest is not a great call either.

    Perhaps he just needs to steal a helicopter.

    Jet pack.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    The IRS rules on the tax credit are very confusing. If I’m reading it right I get a 600 dollar credit for the ac. A 600 dollar credit for the furnace. Maryland doesn’t look like it gives me shit neither does the county. So 1200 bonus of the federal? Anyone done this before?

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Sometimes there is just bsic stuff that should be part of the native app

    For example lunar cycles, which for some reason are not included in the Calendar app even though they include every minor holiday from the Feast of Assumption to Zarathustra’s Birthday

    Or on Maps, they never include mile markers which is like the first thing emergency services/ roadside assistance ask for when you call them/i]

    if you upgrade to our platinum medevac package, your exact coordinates will be sent automatically to responders.

    Do you remember that hostage service from pre-pandemic where you could get military rescued?

    I never even knew about something like that. That's wild to think it was a thing and not just a fictional service like in Cyberpunk.

    Cyberpunk is really only inaccurate in the sense that cyberware doesn't exist rather then being surprisingly affordable at my local ripper doc.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Sometimes there is just bsic stuff that should be part of the native app

    For example lunar cycles, which for some reason are not included in the Calendar app even though they include every minor holiday from the Feast of Assumption to Zarathustra’s Birthday

    or major holidays for religions that still follow a lunar calendar. you know, like Islam and Judaism.

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    marajimaraji Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    zepherin wrote: »
    The IRS rules on the tax credit are very confusing. If I’m reading it right I get a 600 dollar credit for the ac. A 600 dollar credit for the furnace. Maryland doesn’t look like it gives me shit neither does the county. So 1200 bonus of the federal? Anyone done this before?

    Unfortunately it’s a mess of state and local things for rebates. I never got to the federal side of things to know what the tax credit situation was, though we were looking last year so it might be different anyways.

    We were looking at $6k for the AC unit and $12k for heat pump + new furnace. Then found out the $12k included a $6.5k rebate that we weren’t eligible for due to our town. There was an equivalent program we could have done, but it required a bunch of (good in theory) steps first and use of an approved brand that was out of stock.

    Basically it was 6k to get our AC back in mid-July, or 12k for a heat pump and furnace combo sometime in November. If the AC wasn’t broken already … well, maybe.

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Nova, are you able to evacuate? That seems like a point I'd be grabbing my go-bag and heading towards an area not engulfed until the danger passes.

    One thing I think a lot of people don't understand about Yellowknife - this is the end of the highway. The is one road out. It's impassable wilderness otherwise. It's a six hour drive to the border of Alberta. Along that drive you pass Rae/Behchoko (Community of a few hundred people), Ft Providence (Community of a few hundred people) and Enterprise (Community of maybe 100 people). Once you get to Alberta, it's another 2 hours to High Level, and two more to Peace River or, going in a slightly different direction, Grande Prairie.

    It's 8 more after that to Edmonton, literally the nearest city with the capacity to house 20,000 evacuees. So 18-20 hours of driving, in ideal conditions, to the nearest city capable of taking us. How long would it take 20,000 people to file out on a single highway, all trying to go the same direction?

    Do we get out via the lake? Well, that would take us to Hay River, which is currently evacuated.

    By plane? The airport is at the edge of the city most vulnerable to fire and will be the first thing to burn.

    There will be no evacuation. We make our stand here.

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    Have you considered opening a portal to another dimension?

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    This is a picture of the current state of fires in the South Slave region. You see the highway in red. I circled blue where it connects to Alberta.
    bkd2xfcxj2ud.png

    There is no where to go.

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    thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Nova, are you able to evacuate? That seems like a point I'd be grabbing my go-bag and heading towards an area not engulfed until the danger passes.

    One thing I think a lot of people don't understand about Yellowknife - this is the end of the highway. The is one road out. It's impassable wilderness otherwise. It's a six hour drive to the border of Alberta. Along that drive you pass Rae/Behchoko (Community of a few hundred people), Ft Providence (Community of a few hundred people) and Enterprise (Community of maybe 100 people). Once you get to Alberta, it's another 2 hours to High Level, and two more to Peace River or, going in a slightly different direction, Grande Prairie.

    It's 8 more after that to Edmonton, literally the nearest city with the capacity to house 20,000 evacuees. So 18-20 hours of driving, in ideal conditions, to the nearest city capable of taking us. How long would it take 20,000 people to file out on a single highway, all trying to go the same direction?

    Do we get out via the lake? Well, that would take us to Hay River, which is currently evacuated.

    By plane? The airport is at the edge of the city most vulnerable to fire and will be the first thing to burn.

    There will be no evacuation. We make our stand here.

    With the airport being in a vulnerable area, feels like authorities should be using the emergency declaration to order evacuations and chartering as many planes as possible to get the people out before everyone is completely trapped.

    Maybe that's an emotional/knee jerk thought.

    That shit is wild, Nova, very much nervous for you and the folks in the town. I hope the next fireline does it's job.

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