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Penny Arcade - Comic - With Not One But Two Clowns

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Penny Arcade - Comic - With Not One But Two Clowns

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Why has everyone turned against James Cordon lately? I thought he was a well liked late show host. Wasn't his Carpool Karaoke segment pretty popular? I sometimes would tune in to some of the clips from his show on Youtube and I enjoyed his banter between him, his producers, and the band.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    I take it that this is some US-culture specific thing?

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    James Cordon has been a bit marmite for quite a while now, even before he got the Late Late Show gig. At least for people where were even aware of him. It also didn't really help his popularity when a couple of incidents of him being an asshole to servers came out.

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    ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    The sale, by the way, did close this morning for $69 billion dollars as Microsoft purchased Activision Blizzard.

    EDIT: According to the NYT Bobby could earn over $400 million from the deal.

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    palidine40palidine40 Registered User regular
    Overwatch players hate how they make the game more like COD with League of Legends like OP hero cycles, COD players hated how they made their game more like Genshin Impact micro transactions. C levels, VP's, Directors, they care about quarterly reports, they don't care about if a game looks good long term, they care if the quarterly report thinks everythings on the up. They ruined D4 by not listening to what their customers want. I don't think Activisions done a user survey once, outside of listening to its top 1% players, who only are famous because a lot of people liked that game at the time, not because that 1% played the game. They want the tail to wag the dog, they want the game to look like the dollar, they killed the golden goose.

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    njloofnjloof Registered User regular
    To address Tycho’s comment:
    > It really seems to me like his lax management exposed the company to incredible scrutiny, where monstrous, Boy's Club wickedness harmed people and then destroyed morale - placing acquisition of the organization within striking distance. It's all in the contract of course, but it's hard to imagine rewarding someone for that.

    They don’t pay you hundreds of millions of dollars for a job well done. They pay you hundreds of millions of dollars to go away.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    njloof wrote: »
    To address Tycho’s comment:
    > It really seems to me like his lax management exposed the company to incredible scrutiny, where monstrous, Boy's Club wickedness harmed people and then destroyed morale - placing acquisition of the organization within striking distance. It's all in the contract of course, but it's hard to imagine rewarding someone for that.

    They don’t pay you hundreds of millions of dollars for a job well done. They pay you hundreds of millions of dollars to go away.

    Shareholders and the Board of Directors all love Bobby, because he has made them all a lot of money over the years. None of those C Suite people care about the hobby or the fans. They care about money. And Bobby is great at making money. So no, they're not paying him to go away. They have continually looked the other way over the years and ignored all the accusations and dirty scandal shit, because they love the money that Bobby brings them more than they love integrity and ethics.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    njloof wrote: »
    They don’t pay you hundreds of millions of dollars for a job well done. They pay you hundreds of millions of dollars to go away.

    They pay you hundreds of millions of dollars because you're the kind of person who can structure things to pay you hundreds of millions of dollars. It applies to success or to failure, good conduct or bad.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    It really seems to me like his lax management exposed the company to incredible scrutiny, where monstrous, Boy's Club wickedness harmed people and then destroyed morale - placing acquisition of the organization within striking distance. It's all in the contract of course, but it's hard to imagine rewarding someone for that.
    Someone was mad that we were streaming the game, or had bought it, which I understand. It's not like I haven't considered it. I simply made a different choice utilizing the same matrix of information available to anyone else. At root: I don't know how to punish Bobby Kotick without also punishing the people who made this game.

    You don't have to imagine very hard. Activision-Blizzard's sales of Diablo 4 are living proof that the brand was not devalued due to the bad PR. There was no way to prevent this except by not purchasing the game

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    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    the paid him hundreds of millions of dollars because he owned the stock; they were buying it from him

    hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
    that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    That stock price would've been lower if Diablo 4 didn't sell though?

    Sterica wrote: »
    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
    Edcrab's Exigency RPG
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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    dennis wrote: »
    njloof wrote: »
    They don’t pay you hundreds of millions of dollars for a job well done. They pay you hundreds of millions of dollars to go away.

    They pay you hundreds of millions of dollars because you're the kind of person who can structure things to pay you hundreds of millions of dollars. It applies to success or to failure, good conduct or bad.

    That last part is especially on point. I know there are a subset of people that like to shrilly insist that profit/capitalism is immoral (right up until it benefits them of course), but all they are demonstrating is that they are missing the lesson.

    These systems are amoral. If you want a moral outcome, one has to put in the effort to make that happen instead of being a whale that contributes their grist to the mill and then haplessly wondering why it keeps grinding.

    Yes, that means one is going to at times miss out on New Thing. Yes, that sometimes means "punishing" the people in non leadership roles that help create New Thing. But until people individually and collectively learn to defer gratification well enough to shape outcomes better, all their complaints are Sound and Fury, signifying Nothing.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    And the thing is, there is no "they" anyway. Activision is a Ship of Theseus. So if Activision were a person, it getting bought by Microsoft would be a "bad" thing, like becoming a slave. But the people who make the decision to pay out Kotick (including Kotick himself) are going to benefit from the sale. Even if Microsoft were buying Activision to totally shutter it and dissolve everything it owns, this may hurt "the company" and "the company" might not like Bobby, but "the company" has no agency, and the board members are all doing just fine no matter what logo is on top of Activision Tower.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    I know there are a subset of people that like to shrilly insist that profit/capitalism is immoral (right up until it benefits them of course), but all they are demonstrating is that they are missing the lesson.

    These systems are amoral. If you want a moral outcome, one has to put in the effort to make that happen instead of being a whale that contributes their grist to the mill and then haplessly wondering why it keeps grinding.

    I can't quite get onboard that take. All systems are amoral, in a sense. Capitalism, communism, socialism, aristocracy, theocracy, authoritarianism. None of them in any way require the government to be bad, nor do they require it to be good. To pick one example, a king could be humble and kind and do everything for their subjects, treating them fairly and not enriching themselves.

    (And yes, I know I'm mixing forms of government with economic structures, but those things aren't really easily separable.)

    But considering that's a tautology, I find it to be a useless philosophical discussion. What I would say is that while all system similarly have the potential to be corrupted, capitalism is one which is especially weak to it. It's one in which the goal is to make money, and therefore success at making money is given a blessing. Inability to make money is inherently a failure. Nothing else particularly matters. In this sense, I do find it to be immoral.

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    giving him the money isn't really a moral issue; it's not as though microsoft are saying hey bobby I know we bought your company, but we think you're such a swell guy we're just gonna give you four hundred millio-s for the trouble

    kotick, along with the rest of the board, had ownership stakes in the company. Giving them money for it is sort of a core part of the whole 'buying the company' transaction

    hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
    that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Maybe he can have a swing at running Unity next.

    The Roleplayer's Guild: My blog for roleplaying games, advice and adventuring.
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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    giving him the money isn't really a moral issue; it's not as though microsoft are saying hey bobby I know we bought your company, but we think you're such a swell guy we're just gonna give you four hundred millio-s for the trouble

    kotick, along with the rest of the board, had ownership stakes in the company. Giving them money for it is sort of a core part of the whole 'buying the company' transaction

    He's also getting a $15 million bonus on top of all that stock. Because he's such a swell guy. Literally.
    Should Kotick be fired without cause by Microsoft, he’ll get a $15 million “golden parachute,” according to the filing's compensation proposal.

    If they were instead to say, no, Bobby, you have been a shitty guy, and succeed in firing him with cause, he wouldn't get that.

    And before someone says "oh, they had to do that, because...", the key thing to remember is that Microsoft didn't have to buy them. They could have said "we will buy them, but only after they change this golden parachute." But Microsoft placed the financial benefit over the moral benefit. After all, some other company might have been willing to make that calculation. That's how capitalism is structured. Morality has a dollar value placed on it, and companies are urged to make the most money. So morality is negotiable.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    I was on a flight once and this sweaty guy was going on about how his company decides whether to issue a vehicle recall or not.

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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    I was on a flight once and this sweaty guy was going on about how his company decides whether to issue a vehicle recall or not.

    Was he sweating evil?

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    YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    Djiem wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    I was on a flight once and this sweaty guy was going on about how his company decides whether to issue a vehicle recall or not.

    Was he sweating evil?

    Feel like there is something
    I am missing in this
    Genuine exchange of
    Humble words
    Together
    Communicating a series of
    Logical feelings
    Unifying towards a
    Breakthrough of understanding

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