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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
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    The H in Aftermath is really annoying me. Also it's barely readable. But especially the H.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    I keep trying to read the negative space in the Aftermath one

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    ArmsForPeace84ArmsForPeace84 Your Partner In Freedom Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
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    The H in Aftermath is really annoying me. Also it's barely readable. But especially the H.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I keep trying to read the negative space in the Aftermath one

    If you read it backwards it says "Hail Satan."

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I keep trying to read the negative space in the Aftermath one

    If you read it backwards it says "Hail Satan."

    Finally, a site aligned to my interests

    As an aside, I was surprised to hear that Ben Crowshaw doesn't hold the rights to Zero Punctuation, seeing as how the series predates his involvement with The Escapist

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    edited November 2023

    As an aside, I was surprised to hear that Ben Crowshaw doesn't hold the rights to Zero Punctuation, seeing as how the series predates his involvement with The Escapist

    I imagine in the wild west days of early gaming blogs, there wasn't a standard type of contract, and no one knew what they were doing with regards to personal brands and collaborative hosting sites. Miracle of Sound and Jimquisition managed to get out with their brand, though, so who knows. I'm honestly surprised he stuck with it for so long but I'm certainly going to follow him even if nothing else on Aftermath ends up being interesting. I actually think he could do better without having to maintain the ZP schtick.

    The Escapist would be a very interesting topic of a retrospective, sort of like has been done for Channel Awesome. That era of the internet is such an interesting mess.

    (and as an afterthought, I do wonder why anyone still does these collaboration style endeavors instead of just having a youtube/nebula channel for your show. It makes it hard for people to subscribe if they only like one of the shows you host, and I don't see the benefit of attaching yourself to a collective brand when history has shown how much this can harm good creators who wind up in bad partnerships)


    (edit: Crosshaw is on Second Wind, not Aftermath. Not sure who went to Aftermath)

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    Sometimes what happens in PhotoShop should stay in PhotoShop.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I keep trying to read the negative space in the Aftermath one

    If you read it backwards it says "Hail Satan."

    Finally, a site aligned to my interests

    As an aside, I was surprised to hear that Ben Crowshaw doesn't hold the rights to Zero Punctuation, seeing as how the series predates his involvement with The Escapist

    Just look at how Penny Arcade wound up almost not owning Penny Arcade. Unfortunately very easy to exploit content creators before they hold the power (and their own lawyers).

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    palidine40palidine40 Registered User regular
    Second Wind looks good, that aftermath logo hurts the brain

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    The problem with Second Wind is that it looks like a rooster, so being an Internet Videos thing I would have assumed it was connected to Rooster Teeth.

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    CururuCururu Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Second Wind has too much bird. Either do the S is a bird thing or the wings, but not both. Also, why is the font/size different for each word?

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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    Those are the worst logos I've seen since the last time I've seen the worst logos I've seen.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Aftermatk!

    That's what I can't stop seeing.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
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    Still don't like the bird much, but I feel like this is at least twice as good.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    So I heard that The Escapist had a total implosion and mass exodus, but that was just second-hand hearsay. Anyone have a link to a good summary or article of what happened?

    And I didn't hear about the other one. What was the other site that fired and/or lost a bunch of writers?


    Edit: RE: Ben Croshaw, I used to be a fan of his Zero Punctuation schtick... about 10 years ago. But the schtick has long since grown tired. I actually liked his "Extra Punctuation" videos a lot more. He tackled a lot of really good topics in those vids.

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    Including a phoenix in your logo AND calling it second wind is embarrassingly on-the-nose

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    I cracked up pretty bad at the comic but after seeing the logos Tycho wasn't really exaggerating.

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    APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    The Escapist would be a very interesting topic of a retrospective, sort of like has been done for Channel Awesome. That era of the internet is such an interesting mess.

    (and as an afterthought, I do wonder why anyone still does these collaboration style endeavors instead of just having a youtube/nebula channel for your show. It makes it hard for people to subscribe if they only like one of the shows you host, and I don't see the benefit of attaching yourself to a collective brand when history has shown how much this can harm good creators who wind up in bad partnerships)

    If your looking for stories about The Escapist and interactions with from the side of its (former) content creators, LoadingReadyRun is currently doing a podcast/VODcast series on their history as part of their 20th Anniversary. They haven't hit their association with The Escapist yet (only two episodes are up : Pre-LRR and the first 2 years respectively), but I imagine they'll have some thoughts to share once they get there.

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    flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    I'm curious to see if Yahtz moves away from the ZP shtick, which I agree has gotten kind of old, or if it just continues under a different name. I think he could be a much stronger games critic if he wasn't so beholden to the persona.

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    Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    I'm curious to see if Yahtz moves away from the ZP shtick, which I agree has gotten kind of old, or if it just continues under a different name. I think he could be a much stronger games critic if he wasn't so beholden to the persona.

    Perhaps, but "Person with British accent getting angry about things" is its own subgenre of entertainment media. See also: Gordon Ramsey and John Oliver.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    Pretty much every reviewer or video essayist could improve (or has improved) their content by dropping the persona...it's an outdated idea that you have to layer some character over your commentary (whether for entertainment or to protect your actual self, I guess). I remember watching AVGN back in the day and every now and then he'd drop character and just talk about stuff and it made me wish he'd just do the whole videos that way because he seemed chill and had some interesting stuff to say.

    That said, ZP as a character isn't laid on that thick anyway. If he continues making game reviews, I would expect them to be nearly identical to ZP, without the stick figures.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    I'm curious to see if Yahtz moves away from the ZP shtick, which I agree has gotten kind of old, or if it just continues under a different name. I think he could be a much stronger games critic if he wasn't so beholden to the persona.

    Perhaps, but "Person with British accent getting angry about things" is its own subgenre of entertainment media. See also: Gordon Ramsey and John Oliver.

    I feel like those two are a good example of a character and a (as close as we'll get with any person) real life. I've seen John Oliver in a lot of places, all the way from Daily Show days. It seems like that's just who he is (again, with the caveat that both celebrities and non-celebrities often have a "public" mode that can be different from private). It doesn't seem so much a shtick as just how he winds up expressing himself. Plus, it's not the crotchety angry guy. He's actually kind of gleeful and laughing at the horror of the world. Which also shows that you can be critical without having to adopt a curmudgeonly persona (if that's not already your base state).

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    APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    For Oliver as well, something that really really helps with his show (besides being incredibly funny), he DOES end his segments generally with a "ok so this is awful, here's what we can do:"

    That tiny bit of optimism, of saying there's WORK that ban done, is a huge part of what makes the whole thing work

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    Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    So I heard that The Escapist had a total implosion and mass exodus, but that was just second-hand hearsay. Anyone have a link to a good summary or article of what happened?

    And I didn't hear about the other one. What was the other site that fired and/or lost a bunch of writers?


    Edit: RE: Ben Croshaw, I used to be a fan of his Zero Punctuation schtick... about 10 years ago. But the schtick has long since grown tired. I actually liked his "Extra Punctuation" videos a lot more. He tackled a lot of really good topics in those vids.

    YongYea's got a pretty good video up about it. Looks like some brainless suit at The Escapist thought they were cutting loose some dead weight, but ended up pulling out the corporate heart plug instead.

    https://youtu.be/Pif5enLe3mw?si=EIiubkKsMfj7hvMS

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    AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    So I heard that The Escapist had a total implosion and mass exodus, but that was just second-hand hearsay. Anyone have a link to a good summary or article of what happened?

    And I didn't hear about the other one. What was the other site that fired and/or lost a bunch of writers?


    Edit: RE: Ben Croshaw, I used to be a fan of his Zero Punctuation schtick... about 10 years ago. But the schtick has long since grown tired. I actually liked his "Extra Punctuation" videos a lot more. He tackled a lot of really good topics in those vids.

    Escapist: https://www.news.com.au/technology/gaming/flagship-gaming-website-loses-its-video-team-as-star-of-zero-punctuation-resigns/news-story/7627ed808d5ff0675226ede89c7f74d3 this seems mostly a bad decision by an executive of the Escapist looking at a graph with a red line.

    Some Kotaku writers left their mothership to form subscription-based Aftermath: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/7/23949269/aftermath-video-games-kotaku-defector this seems mostly drama-free and just a business endeavor by some journalists.

    That both of these happened in the same week is mostly coincidence.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    The "funny" thing is, this is the second time the site has burned to the ground. The main difference being that last time, Yahtzee was the only one salvaged out of the rubble. The person whose firing started the dominoes was only hired in 2019. I'm shocked that they were even able to build it up enough in the last few years to the point that people even noticed it collapsing again.

    It's also a shame that Yahtzee didn't/wasn't able to put the screws to them in 2019 to make reverting the rights to him part of a multi-year deal for him to stay. Granted, that might have trapped him there when this collapse happened, and he may be fine with moving on from ZP.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    The "funny" thing is, this is the second time the site has burned to the ground. The main difference being that last time, Yahtzee was the only one salvaged out of the rubble. The person whose firing started the dominoes was only hired in 2019. I'm shocked that they were even able to build it up enough in the last few years to the point that people even noticed it collapsing again.

    It's also a shame that Yahtzee didn't/wasn't able to put the screws to them in 2019 to make reverting the rights to him part of a multi-year deal for him to stay. Granted, that might have trapped him there when this collapse happened, and he may be fine with moving on from ZP.

    I actually didn't know about the Extra Credits stuff. I had thought EC, Sterling, and MovieBob had left over Gamergate. So that's almost three disasters.

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    bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    plus i always kinda hated the expression "they found their second wind".

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    bwanie wrote: »
    plus i always kinda hated the expression "they found their second wind".

    Seems like something you get from a repeat trip to the taco bar.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
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    Still don't like the bird much, but I feel like this is at least twice as good.

    That is better but are they mixing a second wind with the phoenix bird rising analogies?

    Like I'm not going to rip on them too hard, but seems like they could have found a sympathetic artist to design not those logos.

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    ArmsForPeace84ArmsForPeace84 Your Partner In Freedom Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    bwanie wrote: »
    plus i always kinda hated the expression "they found their second wind".

    I only use it in the original context of a strenuous physical effort like a workout or a hike that packs in a lot of elevation. What I really don't like about the name, here, is it sounds like one of the narrator's and Marla's emotional support groups in Fight Club.

    While what is really happening looks more like this:
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    Emperor MegamanEmperor Megaman Registered User regular
    Aftermath definitely have a font problem. the "r" blends with the branches of the "m". Especially since the brain's autocorect will want to read it as "afternath". i makes it looks like afterrnath.
    The problem with Second Wind is that it looks like a rooster, so being an Internet Videos thing I would have assumed it was connected to Rooster Teeth.

    This is the first time i hear about all this matter, so i saw the logo knowing what it was after reading Tycho's post, yet the bird+ red on black still made me think of RT. Also agree that having both the wings and the the S-bird make it a bit overcharged.
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    plus i always kinda hated the expression "they found their second wind".

    I only use it in the original context of a strenuous physical effort like a workout or a hike that packs in a lot of elevation. What I really don't like about the name, here, is it sounds like one of the narrator's and Marla's emotional support groups in Fight Club.

    While what is really happening looks more like this:
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    "Badasses don't look at explosions" would have been a catchy name, but maybe not very practical.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Second wind looks like a desktop.

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Including a phoenix in your logo AND calling it second wind is embarrassingly on-the-nose

    At this point I think most people have realized sometimes you just have to be on the nose and drop a cartoon anvil on people if you want them to notice.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Drascin wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Including a phoenix in your logo AND calling it second wind is embarrassingly on-the-nose

    At this point I think most people have realized sometimes you just have to be on the nose and drop a cartoon anvil on people if you want them to notice.

    But as mentioned earlier, a "second wind" is used as you're struggling but get a boost of energy to keep going. A phoenix literally (in the figurative sense) burns to ash and is reborn.

    Those are not the same thing. Starting a new company is closer to a phoenix, where like starting a membership program to continue an existing company would be getting a second wind.

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    For some reason, every time I see the Second Wind logo I think it's a squirrel with wings.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Lol, the Escapist just uploaded two Zero Punctuations and two Frost videos, sans the usual ad for merchandise and sponsor ad they've been making Yahtzee read in the most soulless voice possible. And with comments turned off. Not that I blame that at all, and I guess it's better that the world gets these videos, tossed out from the sinking ship with the hope of a better life. But I still can't control my urge to Nelson Muntz "ha ha" at them.

    Meanwhile Second Wind's new channel is going very strong, and Yahtzee's new show (with the name of his old, pre-Escapist content) barely bothered to file the serial numbers off of Zero Punctuation, just to show how few shits he gives about them retaining the "brand".

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    I'd have gone with The Escapees, but I'd guess there'd be legal trouble for being a bit too on the nose.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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