The Rivian SUVs and the Dodge Wagoneers don't have any distinction beyond Rivian headlights and taillights.
They look pretty cool though. I'm rooting for Rivian, they seem to have a premium quality product
The Rivian interior looks as dumb as Tesla's, I think. Two huge screens, nothing else for controls.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
Also Rivian is still installing their Rivian only charging stations even though they use the same CCS ports that most other companies are using. Pretty dick move.
I'm not particularly enthralled by the "it's ugly" criticisms of the Cybertruck overall, because I think it's a stupid criticism in general for a functional device. Things which work well can look like whatever they want.
It's the "work well" part that's the problem.
Well you say that, but for what those things cost? No fuck that, I want it to look amazing.
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HerrCronIt that wickedly supports taxationRegistered Userregular
Oh. the cybertruck is not ugly.
It's hideous.
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I'm not particularly enthralled by the "it's ugly" criticisms of the Cybertruck overall, because I think it's a stupid criticism in general for a functional device. Things which work well can look like whatever they want.
It's the "work well" part that's the problem.
Counterpoint: To paraphrase Blue from his takedown of Brutalism, users deserve beauty. Not to mention that often times "ugly" UI/UX is UI/UX that isn't thought about, and winds up not functioning well.
All things being equal, I'd much rather more cars take weird aesthetic risks versus having every car come in a risk-averse neutral car shape in a risk-averse neutral car color. We're much closer to the latter than to a world where cars are actually made to be beautiful, so "users deserve beauty" isn't even a maxim that looks like it's being applied by today's designers.
This is all a bit beside the point, because the cybertruck fucking sucks, but it doesn't suck just because Musk wanted it to be weird looking. Mind you, there are aesthetic-adjacent reasons why it sucks, like the visibility issues and panel fit etc etc etc, but that isn't really the same issue as it just being ugly.
When I think of a truck purported to be designed using cutting edge technology, I think of something sleek, aerodynamic, something futuristic. This looks clunky uncool, and worst of all, it looks like it’s from the 80’s.
The only cutting edge design is how it is slicing off fingers.
I'm not particularly enthralled by the "it's ugly" criticisms of the Cybertruck overall, because I think it's a stupid criticism in general for a functional device. Things which work well can look like whatever they want.
It's the "work well" part that's the problem.
Counterpoint: To paraphrase Blue from his takedown of Brutalism, users deserve beauty. Not to mention that often times "ugly" UI/UX is UI/UX that isn't thought about, and winds up not functioning well.
I don't typically care about what the exterior of a vehicle looks like very much because I'm the driver, I'm not looking at it. I want a nice interior because I'm surrounded by it when I'm driving.
But the Cybertruck is just wild. And the interior sucks anyway.
I definitely like the look of the cybertruck more than I do the look of the boxy volvo that I drove in high school. I don't like anything else about it but I do like the look of it, or at least the shape. (I'm a fan of minimalist aesthetic in lots of things)
I'm not gonna say anybody else has to like it, but statements like 'It's ugly, get over it' don't really make me want to engage with people about it. People on both sides are treating it like a referendum on musk to an absurd degree. It's like if brutalist architecture had been invented by hitler.
The cybertruck has an aesthetic it’s going for, and even if I don’t care for it personally I can appreciate that it at least is trying something different than… every other same-y looking truck/suv
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That's the most bizarre take on making a vehicle that is fundamentally stupid in every conceivable way.
vehicles look mostly the same for a bunch of safety reasons for people both inside and outside the car.
the cybertruck crumpling about 6 inches and then coming to an instant stop in the frontal collision test i saw did not make me feel safe that's for sure.
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ThegreatcowLord of All BaconsWashington State - It's Wet up here innit? Registered Userregular
Plus the full on shearing body panels from the A-Pillar
vehicles look mostly the same for a bunch of safety reasons for people both inside and outside the car.
the cybertruck crumpling about 6 inches and then coming to an instant stop in the frontal collision test i saw did not make me feel safe that's for sure.
Not just safety. Also aerodynamics. Which electric cars have tended to prioritize even more because they need to eek out every bit of distance they can get on a charge.
All cars are converging on similar-ish looks because there's not really multiple ways to build a vehicle with the kinds of internal space you need that also has low air resistance while moving forward.
vehicles look mostly the same for a bunch of safety reasons for people both inside and outside the car.
the cybertruck crumpling about 6 inches and then coming to an instant stop in the frontal collision test i saw did not make me feel safe that's for sure.
Not just safety. Also aerodynamics. Which electric cars have tended to prioritize even more because they need to eek out every bit of distance they can get on a charge.
All cars are converging on similar-ish looks because there's not really multiple ways to build a vehicle with the kinds of internal space you need that also has low air resistance while moving forward.
There's a third factor to do with cost of making weird molds and such. There's additional stuff they can do, but ehh...
and there's about a century of visual language shared between consumers and auto-makers, and you can only push that so far and it lets you make cars that 'look' expensive or sporty, which is about as important as quality or performance in terms of moving cars.
I'd argue the angular look of the cybertruck is as much a failure of function as any aesthetic choice. The stainless steel it's made from is a massive pain in the ass to work with, so rather than even trying to form it, they just left it with massive angular flat panels. While I'm nearly 100% sure anyone willingly owning one doesn't give a shit about safety of anyone else on the road (and trucks in general suck for the safety of anyone who isn't behind the wheel of that truck) making your bodywork massive hardened steel panels meeting at sharp angles won't help with safety of anyone surrounding you during a crash.
vehicles look mostly the same for a bunch of safety reasons for people both inside and outside the car.
the cybertruck crumpling about 6 inches and then coming to an instant stop in the frontal collision test i saw did not make me feel safe that's for sure.
Not just safety. Also aerodynamics. Which electric cars have tended to prioritize even more because they need to eek out every bit of distance they can get on a charge.
All cars are converging on similar-ish looks because there's not really multiple ways to build a vehicle with the kinds of internal space you need that also has low air resistance while moving forward.
There are definitely aesthetic considerations involved, too. You can change the overall look of a vehicle quite a bit without changing the actual shape much. Shape of the lights, shape and placement of trim, etc.
Around the turn of the century, vehicles started to have this bubbly, overinflated look, like they were all taking illicit steroids to build ridiculous muscles. Now, new cars/SUVs all look like they're trying to be "cool" and "futuristic," but also still be bought by people who hate anything that looks different from what they're used to.
Also, I doubt the huge pedestrian-murdering grills have anything to do with aerodynamics; but I also don't think anyone was claiming they do :P
Also replace that shot of the spinning licence plate with an entire side panel
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Is it possible for something so horrible to happen that a finger on a Monkey's Paw uncurls? Like the horrible karma thing already happened so were get a freebie wish?
"If you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?"
"Because then someone might steal it just because it's a stylish retro design, and they got a free time machine to boot?"
"Ah, good point. OK, then, let's build a time machine into the ugliest, worst, most undesirable car imaginable?"
"Let's take a look at the scores! The girls are at the square root of Pi, while the boys are still at a crudely drawn picture of a duck. Clearly, it's anybody's game!"
Google already has two AI data centers bigger than that and thanks to Microsoft their one in Virginia isn't even the biggest one in Virginia, let alone the world.
Elon Musk has just raised $5 Billion from venture capital companies.
Elon has convinced Wall street to give 'em this money with the qoute "xAI is primarily focused on the development of advanced AI systems that are truthful, competent, and maximally beneficial for all of humanity. The company's mission is to understand the true nature of the universe"
I'm kind of out of fucks to give about this, because he apparently has reached a level where there's just unlimited money available to him.
Heck, Tesla is currently imploding, Twitter is dissapearing into a k-hole, SpaceX is cropped up by NASA's refusal to only have 1 launch platform, and they will shovel any amount of money into keeping a second one and the boring company "exists" and low-key grifts on cities who are too cool to have a subway system.
And people are still "sure, we'll funnel this money into literary the last mover into the AI market, he's such a fun guy, did you know he's going to terraform mars? We'll start landing there in 2019!"
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If there is something to mourn out of this entire debacle, its the very real specter that Musk's personal failings will bring down the most successful private space venture ever. I just hope the IP and expertise can survive impact.
Elon Musk has just raised $5 Billion from venture capital companies.
Elon has convinced Wall street to give 'em this money with the qoute "xAI is primarily focused on the development of advanced AI systems that are truthful, competent, and maximally beneficial for all of humanity. The company's mission is to understand the true nature of the universe"
I'm kind of out of fucks to give about this, because he apparently has reached a level where there's just unlimited money available to him.
Heck, Tesla is currently imploding, Twitter is dissapearing into a k-hole, SpaceX is cropped up by NASA's refusal to only have 1 launch platform, and they will shovel any amount of money into keeping a second one and the boring company "exists" and low-key grifts on cities who are too cool to have a subway system.
And people are still "sure, we'll funnel this money into literary the last mover into the AI market, he's such a fun guy, did you know he's going to terraform mars? We'll start landing there in 2019!"
But like his other companies it only thrives under his neglect. Falcon is doing gangbusters but the parts of SpaceX Musk is taking a direct interest in (Starship and Starlink) have been doing badly, and it can be blamed directly on him.
After he purged the head engineers on the Raptor program (because they chose to idle the engine factory rather than produce scrap metal raptor 1s), Raptor 3 hasn't made testing progress in 3 years and the primary problem with Raptor 1/2, which is responsible for all but one loss of vehicle in the entire test campaign and still destroyed one engine on the successful landing was still responsible for the IFT-3 failure. IFT-4 flies in June but without iteration.
Meanwhile Starlink managed to completely lose interest from the US military over security concerns, they are now looking at Kuiper or just launching their own.
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The Rivian interior looks as dumb as Tesla's, I think. Two huge screens, nothing else for controls.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970666737/
Well you say that, but for what those things cost? No fuck that, I want it to look amazing.
It's hideous.
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Counterpoint: To paraphrase Blue from his takedown of Brutalism, users deserve beauty. Not to mention that often times "ugly" UI/UX is UI/UX that isn't thought about, and winds up not functioning well.
All things being equal, I'd much rather more cars take weird aesthetic risks versus having every car come in a risk-averse neutral car shape in a risk-averse neutral car color. We're much closer to the latter than to a world where cars are actually made to be beautiful, so "users deserve beauty" isn't even a maxim that looks like it's being applied by today's designers.
This is all a bit beside the point, because the cybertruck fucking sucks, but it doesn't suck just because Musk wanted it to be weird looking. Mind you, there are aesthetic-adjacent reasons why it sucks, like the visibility issues and panel fit etc etc etc, but that isn't really the same issue as it just being ugly.
The only cutting edge design is how it is slicing off fingers.
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I don't typically care about what the exterior of a vehicle looks like very much because I'm the driver, I'm not looking at it. I want a nice interior because I'm surrounded by it when I'm driving.
But the Cybertruck is just wild. And the interior sucks anyway.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970666737/
I'm not gonna say anybody else has to like it, but statements like 'It's ugly, get over it' don't really make me want to engage with people about it. People on both sides are treating it like a referendum on musk to an absurd degree. It's like if brutalist architecture had been invented by hitler.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Drive by wire is an okay idea if it takes a bit to trust.
4 wheel steering is a pretty alright idea for larger vehicles.
the cybertruck crumpling about 6 inches and then coming to an instant stop in the frontal collision test i saw did not make me feel safe that's for sure.
Wud yoo laek to lern aboot meatz? Look here!
Not just safety. Also aerodynamics. Which electric cars have tended to prioritize even more because they need to eek out every bit of distance they can get on a charge.
All cars are converging on similar-ish looks because there's not really multiple ways to build a vehicle with the kinds of internal space you need that also has low air resistance while moving forward.
There's a third factor to do with cost of making weird molds and such. There's additional stuff they can do, but ehh...
and there's about a century of visual language shared between consumers and auto-makers, and you can only push that so far and it lets you make cars that 'look' expensive or sporty, which is about as important as quality or performance in terms of moving cars.
There are definitely aesthetic considerations involved, too. You can change the overall look of a vehicle quite a bit without changing the actual shape much. Shape of the lights, shape and placement of trim, etc.
Around the turn of the century, vehicles started to have this bubbly, overinflated look, like they were all taking illicit steroids to build ridiculous muscles. Now, new cars/SUVs all look like they're trying to be "cool" and "futuristic," but also still be bought by people who hate anything that looks different from what they're used to.
Also, I doubt the huge pedestrian-murdering grills have anything to do with aerodynamics; but I also don't think anyone was claiming they do :P
If I had a nickel for every time Elon lied, I’d have more money than him.
"Yep, the battery must have caught fire"
Also replace that shot of the spinning licence plate with an entire side panel
Because that idea feels like it could do it.
"Because then someone might steal it just because it's a stylish retro design, and they got a free time machine to boot?"
"Ah, good point. OK, then, let's build a time machine into the ugliest, worst, most undesirable car imaginable?"
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a) deperately need investment money?
b) bullshitting just because?
c) manipulating Nividia stock?
d) all of the above?
Also
"Press (X) to doubt."
And he's going to transport all of the racks on the backs of cybertrucks.
edit: The numbers are just insane for the absolute inane shit that it produces. jeezus
Hey, we have "a" answer, but it might be multiple:
https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/2024052718/musks-xai-raises-6-billion-in-fresh-funding-from-fidelity-sequoia-capital-and-others
Elon Musk has just raised $5 Billion from venture capital companies.
Elon has convinced Wall street to give 'em this money with the qoute
"xAI is primarily focused on the development of advanced AI systems that are truthful, competent, and maximally beneficial for all of humanity. The company's mission is to understand the true nature of the universe"
I'm kind of out of fucks to give about this, because he apparently has reached a level where there's just unlimited money available to him.
Heck, Tesla is currently imploding, Twitter is dissapearing into a k-hole, SpaceX is cropped up by NASA's refusal to only have 1 launch platform, and they will shovel any amount of money into keeping a second one and the boring company "exists" and low-key grifts on cities who are too cool to have a subway system.
And people are still "sure, we'll funnel this money into literary the last mover into the AI market, he's such a fun guy, did you know he's going to terraform mars? We'll start landing there in 2019!"
But like his other companies it only thrives under his neglect. Falcon is doing gangbusters but the parts of SpaceX Musk is taking a direct interest in (Starship and Starlink) have been doing badly, and it can be blamed directly on him.
After he purged the head engineers on the Raptor program (because they chose to idle the engine factory rather than produce scrap metal raptor 1s), Raptor 3 hasn't made testing progress in 3 years and the primary problem with Raptor 1/2, which is responsible for all but one loss of vehicle in the entire test campaign and still destroyed one engine on the successful landing was still responsible for the IFT-3 failure. IFT-4 flies in June but without iteration.
Meanwhile Starlink managed to completely lose interest from the US military over security concerns, they are now looking at Kuiper or just launching their own.