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We can't all be Aquaman, but we can try [Aquariums]

LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
Anyone else here into fishkeeping and/or aquascaping? I've been really enjoying it. I started with a 10gal, but because I ended up moving across the country, I sold it.
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I have a new tank now, and it's a 29 gal. I recently let it grow too much, and essentially destroyed my tank trying to trim and pull it all out, but this is what it looked like before I neglected it.
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I'm currently in the process of regrowth after trimming everything down to nothing.

I wanna see your tanks, and talk about liquid fertilizers.

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    That's a great tank! Mine is nowhere near as verdant though, and I can't figure out why my plants aren't quite getting along. I've been dosing the tank with Flourish Excel for the last few months, and while things are better I still have some plants that are on a slow decline.

    Probably related to whatever problem in there that killed all my shrimp, which I've given up on ever figuring out.

  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    What kind of substrate did you use? And any fertilizers? I love excel for the CO2 alternative, but it doesn't provide any nutrients, so you'd still need to supplement with regular Flourish or root tabs.

    As for your shrimp, are they Neocaridina or caridina? Or something else? Neos are much easier to keep than caridina, IMO. Neos thrive in pretty much any circumstance, so if they all died off there's something definitely wrong with your parameters. Shrimp are particularly sensitive to copper, so did you dose with anything like Flourish Iron?

  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    I've got a low-effort 10 gal with four Amano shrimp that a friend's brother-in-law gave me for free. Been thinking about giving them some cherry Neocaridina tank mates since the tank is clearly way under capacity -- that, or a small-tank friendly fish like Japanese medaka or some gouramis, potentially

  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2023
    Ooo Amanos are GREAT for algae!

    Medakas are cute! You could also do neon tetras, glowlight tetras, green neon tetras, chili rasboras, ember tetras, pygmy corydoras.... hmm there are a lot more that can go in a 10!

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    Leli wrote: »
    What kind of substrate did you use? And any fertilizers? I love excel for the CO2 alternative, but it doesn't provide any nutrients, so you'd still need to supplement with regular Flourish or root tabs.

    As for your shrimp, are they Neocaridina or caridina? Or something else? Neos are much easier to keep than caridina, IMO. Neos thrive in pretty much any circumstance, so if they all died off there's something definitely wrong with your parameters. Shrimp are particularly sensitive to copper, so did you dose with anything like Flourish Iron?

    Uh....huh I totally missed that this is just CO2 and not fertilizer. That's....something to fix.

    I have gravel substrate, which is pretty ok I guess. I almost went with sand and I kind of regret I didn't.

    I had neos, and yeah that's exactly what I had read about them. I tested absolutely everything I could get a test kit for. Everything kept reporting back as fine. My best theory was that they weren't getting enough calcium, and I ended up putting cuttlebone into the tank. Sadly I was down to two by that point, and they died a few days later. The snails in there love it though. I kind of think that perhaps the snails were simply outcompeting the shrimp for food.

  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    @Bluedude152 send tank

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  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    Leli wrote: »
    What kind of substrate did you use? And any fertilizers? I love excel for the CO2 alternative, but it doesn't provide any nutrients, so you'd still need to supplement with regular Flourish or root tabs.

    As for your shrimp, are they Neocaridina or caridina? Or something else? Neos are much easier to keep than caridina, IMO. Neos thrive in pretty much any circumstance, so if they all died off there's something definitely wrong with your parameters. Shrimp are particularly sensitive to copper, so did you dose with anything like Flourish Iron?

    Uh....huh I totally missed that this is just CO2 and not fertilizer. That's....something to fix.

    I have gravel substrate, which is pretty ok I guess. I almost went with sand and I kind of regret I didn't.

    I had neos, and yeah that's exactly what I had read about them. I tested absolutely everything I could get a test kit for. Everything kept reporting back as fine. My best theory was that they weren't getting enough calcium, and I ended up putting cuttlebone into the tank. Sadly I was down to two by that point, and they died a few days later. The snails in there love it though. I kind of think that perhaps the snails were simply outcompeting the shrimp for food.

    Did you cycle your tank before putting them in?

  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    Yeah I ran the tank for two months before I added any critters.

  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    Hmmm. Did you dose food or anything to start the cycle? Everything would still read 0 if the cycle never started in the first place. Aside from that, I have no idea. But at least for your plants, get some regular Flourish and you should be good!

  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    Oh yeah I added a bacterial cycle start thing in December 2022 when I first set the tank up. I added the plants after about a week, then let everything sit for two months while testing the water to watch the cycle process happen. Then I added the fish, shrimp, and snails.

    I went through about three attempts at shrimp, and while they would age into maturity they never attempted to lay eggs. This implies something is wrong with the water, or their food supply, as they won't try to reproduce if they're stressed. And that's where I started months worth of testing and tweaking water parameters to try to figure out what was wrong. Meanwhile, the snails matured, started laying entirely too many eggs, and while I started with 4 snails I now have 22.

    The neons haven't fared super great--they also aren't trying to spawn but I hear that something's up with neon populations these days and they're often not as healthy as they should be.

  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    Man that's so crazy. The only other thing I can think of is temperature?

  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    So in my experience there are three main things that cause issues with shrimp.

    The biggest concern is historically copper. You want trace amounts because it's like, used in their blood system, but too much causes stuff to go haywire. Used to be a much bigger issue with water additive products and foods, but most are fairly shrimp safe these days.

    Depending on where you're from, your home supply might have too much, just from the main source itself or leaching from pipes. Do you use distilled/RO water for your tank?

    Vexxingly, on the opposite end, changing stuff too much/too often can also lead to over stressing them.

    Third, is predation. Even "safe" community fish will occasionally go after shrimp. Fish will take a meal where it comes, if they're hungry. If you've got a healthy snail population to help buffer clean up, a little extra feeding can help with this, so there are some left over scraps to graze on through the day.

    The other thing with the lack of breeding, females of most shrimp species are dymporphic, so be sure that you have some in general. A lot of places will cull any obvious females from sale so they can keep breeding more. So a lot don't get through to the sales floor unless they are very, very young still.

    Add on to this females won't breed until after a molt, and won't breed every molt. Basically the eggs from between the new and old shell layers, and when the old is shed, the female does the whole pheromone thing to induce breeding to fertilize the eggs.

    It's annoying and frustrating, but I wouldn't feel the need to tinker too much until you have a larger confirmed female molting several times without seeing breeding behavior from the males (basically the equivalent of shrimp zoomies).

  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    I want to try to breed golden calceos, but they're so picky about their parameters it's hard. I got an RO filter, but the pH of my water supply is crazy off so I have a hard time maintaining the appropriate pH consistently for them the breed. BUT LOOK HOW PRETTY
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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    love shrimps, also called the shrimps of the sea

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    Who you calling a shrimp?

    Jk

    I know nothing about aquariums but they are fun to look at

  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    I got some actual fertilizer for the tank, so maybe my plants will start recovering over the next months. Hooray! I also got some "black" neon tetras to pal around with my regular blue and red ones.

    Shrimp talk!

    Regarding copper: I had heard of it being a problem, so I started to investigate. Unfortunately my municipal water department does not test for copper in their annual quality testing, and I was unable to get a good answer on whether or not copper pipes connect to my house. The house itself uses pvc piping, but of course that's irrelevant if copper is leaching into the water before it hits the house. I ended up switching to RO as I performed water changes, and I also got some copper absorption material and put that into my canister filter. Now that the shrimp are all dead, I do a 50/50 RO and treated tap water mix when I do changes.

    Speaking of water changes, I also had learned that they are not tolerant of big changes to the environment. I did weekly small water changes of 10% of the tank. (It's a 30 gallon.)

    Regarding predation, best I can tell this was not a factor. The shrimp tended to grow into adulthood, though some didn't always make it.

    I also had a good mix of males and females. They can be difficult to sex until they get a bit older, but at the peak I had six males and four females.

    Overall what I mainly noticed happening was the "white ring of death," which is a molting problem. This and other factors continue to point to something with the water being wrong. My last best guess was that they weren't getting enough calcium, or that the water was too soft. I added a big chunk of cuttlebone, but it was too late and the last couple of shrimp died within a couple of days.


    After the holiday season is done I might try again. Just don't want to get more and then throw them into a tank that historically is just going to slowly kill them.

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    I got some actual fertilizer for the tank, so maybe my plants will start recovering over the next months. Hooray! I also got some "black" neon tetras to pal around with my regular blue and red ones.

    Shrimp talk!

    Regarding copper: I had heard of it being a problem, so I started to investigate. Unfortunately my municipal water department does not test for copper in their annual quality testing, and I was unable to get a good answer on whether or not copper pipes connect to my house. The house itself uses pvc piping, but of course that's irrelevant if copper is leaching into the water before it hits the house. I ended up switching to RO as I performed water changes, and I also got some copper absorption material and put that into my canister filter. Now that the shrimp are all dead, I do a 50/50 RO and treated tap water mix when I do changes.

    Speaking of water changes, I also had learned that they are not tolerant of big changes to the environment. I did weekly small water changes of 10% of the tank. (It's a 30 gallon.)

    Regarding predation, best I can tell this was not a factor. The shrimp tended to grow into adulthood, though some didn't always make it.

    I also had a good mix of males and females. They can be difficult to sex until they get a bit older, but at the peak I had six males and four females.

    Overall what I mainly noticed happening was the "white ring of death," which is a molting problem. This and other factors continue to point to something with the water being wrong. My last best guess was that they weren't getting enough calcium, or that the water was too soft. I added a big chunk of cuttlebone, but it was too late and the last couple of shrimp died within a couple of days.


    After the holiday season is done I might try again. Just don't want to get more and then throw them into a tank that historically is just going to slowly kill them.

    Most municipalities use black iron or pvc if that helps!

  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    In my experience stable PH is more important than a specific PH.
    I got some actual fertilizer for the tank, so maybe my plants will start recovering over the next months. Hooray! I also got some "black" neon tetras to pal around with my regular blue and red ones.

    Shrimp talk!

    Regarding copper: I had heard of it being a problem, so I started to investigate. Unfortunately my municipal water department does not test for copper in their annual quality testing, and I was unable to get a good answer on whether or not copper pipes connect to my house. The house itself uses pvc piping, but of course that's irrelevant if copper is leaching into the water before it hits the house. I ended up switching to RO as I performed water changes, and I also got some copper absorption material and put that into my canister filter. Now that the shrimp are all dead, I do a 50/50 RO and treated tap water mix when I do changes.

    Speaking of water changes, I also had learned that they are not tolerant of big changes to the environment. I did weekly small water changes of 10% of the tank. (It's a 30 gallon.)

    Regarding predation, best I can tell this was not a factor. The shrimp tended to grow into adulthood, though some didn't always make it.

    I also had a good mix of males and females. They can be difficult to sex until they get a bit older, but at the peak I had six males and four females.

    Overall what I mainly noticed happening was the "white ring of death," which is a molting problem. This and other factors continue to point to something with the water being wrong. My last best guess was that they weren't getting enough calcium, or that the water was too soft. I added a big chunk of cuttlebone, but it was too late and the last couple of shrimp died within a couple of days.


    After the holiday season is done I might try again. Just don't want to get more and then throw them into a tank that historically is just going to slowly kill them.

    Molting issues definitely sounds like calcium. Were they locally bred or imported to a fish store? And not just throwing them into a bad situation is a good call.

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited December 2023
    Behold my addiction

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    Shrimp Tank
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    The river
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    The main tank

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I love fish tanks but I hate maintaining them. Only way I’d ever have a nice aquarium is if I could afford to pay someone to take care of it for me.

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Honestly with plants matience is minimal

    I do water changes like....once a month?

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    I love that orchid

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Sadly that bloom died ages ago. Go na be tearing down shrimp town soon

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I don’t know. I feel like you’re underestimating how lazy I am.

  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    @Bluedude152 oh man I love your set ups! What livestock do you have in them? It's hard to see, but it looks like some harlequin rasboras and long fin zebras?

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Harlequin Rasbora, White Cloud Minnow, Black Fin Tetra, Long Fin Zebras, Various Platys, and a Bristlenose pleco

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    How do you deal with evaporation with an open top tank?

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Just top it off. Lose about a gallon every 2ish days. I have plexiglass cut out to cover it and help a bit now.

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    Just top it off. Lose about a gallon every 2ish days. I have plexiglass cut out to cover it and help a bit now.

    Do you use distilled water for this (since what evaporates would obviously leave minerals, etc. behind)? None of the information I've found distinguishes between water changes and water replacement.

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited December 2023
    I dont, technically I should but the water tests fine as long as I do the occasional water change. Hard water isnt that bad since it buffers against PH swings which is what will really kill your fish

    Edit: Ah I never did answer what was in the River tank. That one Is Celestial Pearl Dainos, Endler Live Bearers, and Hillstream Loach

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  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    Ahhh have you seen the purple fin hillstream loach? I'm considering getting them for my tank

  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost This is also my fault Registered User regular
    I have acquired and installed root tabs! I'm excited to see if some of my declining plants start perking up in the next couple weeks.

    Also broke my airstone while embedding the root tabs, so whenever it stops snowing I guess I'll need to venture out to the pet store to get a replacement. I am maybe going to try stocking shrimp again to see if they fare better in my, hopefully, better tank.

  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited January 10
    I was gonna come in here and talk about the Osaka Aquarium because I forgot the small ones in people's homes were also called aquariums

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    I was gonna come in here and talk about the Osaka Aquarium because I forgot the small ones in people's homes were also called aquariums

    do it, the Osaka Aquarium rules

    I love how the central tank is so massive it starts getting dark and harder to see across the further down you go because you can't see the surface easily anymore

  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I love big aquariums. My dad took me to the Shedd Aquarium when I was young and if I'm honest I'm still chasing the high that can only be achieved by being the size of a child. But I still dig them. Boston has an awesome one with a huge penguin display and some really neat octopus tanks. But the one in Osaka is huge. You start off by going through this long tube that's completely transparent except the floor.

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    Stills don't do it justice obviously

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    Look at these two goobers

    The only thing that didn't thrill me was that I'd gotten really used to Japanese politeness and the place was absolutely packed with pushy, obnoxious, selfish tourists.

  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    The Georgia Aquarium is amazing love the giant tank with the whale sharks. The Beluga Whales are fun to watch as well.

    The Ripley's Aquarium is okay, although a tad expensive for its size, but it also has a tunnel tank which lets you really get a good look at the sawfish.

    I went to Shedd's as a kid and really want to go back as an adult. I loved my wax sculpture of the dolphins.

  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    The Georgia Aquarium is on my bucket list. Osaka was well worth it.

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  • LeliLeli __BANNED USERS regular
    I really liked the Georgia Aquarium, but my favorite is still the Monterrey Bay Aquarium.
    I have acquired and installed root tabs! I'm excited to see if some of my declining plants start perking up in the next couple weeks.

    Also broke my airstone while embedding the root tabs, so whenever it stops snowing I guess I'll need to venture out to the pet store to get a replacement. I am maybe going to try stocking shrimp again to see if they fare better in my, hopefully, better tank.

    How's your tank???

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Monterey Bay aquarium is my favorite as well, fantastic facility

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