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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Pellaeon wrote: »
    Hmmm, coworkers formerly of this department trying to poach me to theirs.

    Nice to be thought of

    Reeeeeeeeallly wish it wasnt the week I'm putting out fires, then i would seriously be thinking about it

    It seems like this would be more incentive, not less?

    Going to a role I have no experience with rather than dealing with what I have can accomplish and have accomplished already

  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    edited June 25
    Question to the thread: If someone gives you their availability as like:
    9-10
    11-12
    Any time after 1:30

    Is 1:30 a valid meeting time or do you need to kick it over to the next 15 or 30 minute block?

    Edit: I scheduled it for 11 and just kept it moving but it got me wondering.

    Also made me think about if "1:30 to the end of the day" connotes a different block of time compared to "any time after ..."

    Carpy on
  • Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    "Any time after blank" does feel kind of vague but when I've used that framing in the past (before I realized it could cause confusion) I always meant that starting from, say, 1:30 was fine

    I think they connote the same timeframe but 1:30 to end of day is definitely more clear

  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    I'd interpret as "130 is fine"

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Yeah if I meant 1.45 I would say 1.45.

    Don't overthink it, is my advice. If you schedule for 1.30 and it turns out they were burying a secret message in their communique that meant "actually not 1.30" then, presuming this is a grownup, they can decline or request a reschedule off their own bat.

  • Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    Schedule the meeting to start at 13:31 to be most technically correct :)

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Wow, this fucker is doing it again

    Lemme check the geo tags and......

    Fuck this software.

    Either this dude is lazy or the software believes it needs to delete his work at this particular site and randomly switch him to another dude

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Schedule the meeting to start at 13:31 to be most technically correct :)

    You joke, but I have set alarms for 12:01 pm so I don't have to deal with "noon or midnight?".

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Why did i start late? because the tow would take two hours to setup and complete and i needed to wait until the shop was open.

    I want to go home

  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Every time I end up in a new place and describe my job to some local person, they're always blown away that the company has a department like mine.

    "My job is just like [local person]'s job, except the company flies me to new locations every week or two where there's not enough people due to circumstances."

    It has it's pros and cons.

    ...and when you are done with that; take a folding
    chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Schedule the meeting to start at 13:31 to be most technically correct :)

    You joke, but I have set alarms for 12:01 pm so I don't have to deal with "noon or midnight?".

    12:00 shouldn't be an option for alarms. When you click the little wheel up one from 11:59, it should just say "NOON." Or "ARE YOU SURE MAN" if you were about to fuck up and set a midnight alarm.

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  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Just use 24 hour clocks like God intended

  • Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    Just use 24 hour clocks like God intended

    Seriously. There's only one 12:00 and it's lunch time, days start at 00:00 as is only logical.

  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Schedule the meeting to start at 13:31 to be most technically correct :)

    You joke, but I have set alarms for 12:01 pm so I don't have to deal with "noon or midnight?".

    12:00 shouldn't be an option for alarms. When you click the little wheel up one from 11:59, it should just say "NOON." Or "ARE YOU SURE MAN" if you were about to fuck up and set a midnight alarm.

    Midnight Alarm is my favorite John Voight movie.

  • sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    The Midnight Alarm is the subtitle for the next The Maze Runner book and you can't convince me otherwise

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Just use 24 hour clocks like God intended

    I've ran my entire life on a 24 hour clock since my first job in a hospital 20 years ago and I only get into confusing shit when dealing with other people who don't use it.

    I am in the business of saving lives.
  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    Ok, but isn't that an awful lot of people?

  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Yeah, but they tend to be really sleepy most of the time.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    I have called out after feeling burnt from these last 2 or 3 11+ hour days

    Still going to drive in and handle tiny paperwork

    Also, could aunt flow decided to visit members of the team at opposite locations in the same week.

    Which, while mathmatically possible, feels odd to jump from one phone convo to another about the folks having the same pain.

    Gonna thank them both for coming in while feeling like crap

    Additionally, we have no problem with folks calling out sick, but we never communicate the reasons.

  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    "Hey Andrew we need to connect so I can get clarity on this comment you made on my PR, are you available now?"
    "It's 2:30 and we're both about to go into the daily stand-up. I'm available after if it doesn't run long and then I need to pick my kid up from school. Or, you can just message me here on Slack with any questions and I'll answer them whilst I'm stood outside school waiting"
    <Stand-up runs long>
    "Can we connect when you're back?"
    "Sure, I'll be back at 3:45. Or you can message me on Slack and I'll answer from school."
    <3:45 rolls round>
    <4:30 rolls around>
    "Sorry, I had another meeting, can we connect now?"
    "Nope, sorry, it's the end of my day. If you message me on Slack I can answer whilst I'm cooking dinner"
    "ok"

    It's now the next day and I've not heard anything.

    These guys always put voice meetings above async Slack conversations even though 99% of the time I can answer their questions over text and it's done in a sentence or two. And I actively avoid having these 1:1 voice calls because there's no accountability and it basically destroys my productivity in the hours running up to them thanks to anxiety running overdrive.

    Just type the questions! Or reply to the comment in BitBucket! Gah!

    The one about the fucking space hairdresser and the cowboy. He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin
  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    I was required to come into the office today because Apparently That's Necessary for me to attend a company -wide teams call. But no seat was allocated for me on the seating planner

    So I'm sat way over there behind a corner. Definitely not clearing my cases in 90 minutes then titting about on my phone for the rest of the day.

  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    "Hey Andrew we need to connect so I can get clarity on this comment you made on my PR, are you available now?"
    "It's 2:30 and we're both about to go into the daily stand-up. I'm available after if it doesn't run long and then I need to pick my kid up from school. Or, you can just message me here on Slack with any questions and I'll answer them whilst I'm stood outside school waiting"
    <Stand-up runs long>
    "Can we connect when you're back?"
    "Sure, I'll be back at 3:45. Or you can message me on Slack and I'll answer from school."
    <3:45 rolls round>
    <4:30 rolls around>
    "Sorry, I had another meeting, can we connect now?"
    "Nope, sorry, it's the end of my day. If you message me on Slack I can answer whilst I'm cooking dinner"
    "ok"

    It's now the next day and I've not heard anything.

    These guys always put voice meetings above async Slack conversations even though 99% of the time I can answer their questions over text and it's done in a sentence or two. And I actively avoid having these 1:1 voice calls because there's no accountability and it basically destroys my productivity in the hours running up to them thanks to anxiety running overdrive.

    Just type the questions! Or reply to the comment in BitBucket! Gah!

    Nearly half a working day with back and forth about this call and 2 1/2 hours later we had the call! It took 5 minutes! I basically had to pat him on his head and tell him he did a good job following the instructions in my comment and apologised that I couldn't help with an unrelated issue.

    Could! Have! Been! 2! Sentences! In! Slack!

    The one about the fucking space hairdresser and the cowboy. He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin
  • KadithKadith Registered User regular
    first job i've had to where i come back from vacation and am starting up back where i left out, and not under a pile of new work

    although apparently the agency townhall had some news about changes to telework, but i assume that doesn't effect me because none of the direct leads above me have emailed anything about changes

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  • Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    "Hey Andrew we need to connect so I can get clarity on this comment you made on my PR, are you available now?"
    "It's 2:30 and we're both about to go into the daily stand-up. I'm available after if it doesn't run long and then I need to pick my kid up from school. Or, you can just message me here on Slack with any questions and I'll answer them whilst I'm stood outside school waiting"
    <Stand-up runs long>
    "Can we connect when you're back?"
    "Sure, I'll be back at 3:45. Or you can message me on Slack and I'll answer from school."
    <3:45 rolls round>
    <4:30 rolls around>
    "Sorry, I had another meeting, can we connect now?"
    "Nope, sorry, it's the end of my day. If you message me on Slack I can answer whilst I'm cooking dinner"
    "ok"

    It's now the next day and I've not heard anything.

    These guys always put voice meetings above async Slack conversations even though 99% of the time I can answer their questions over text and it's done in a sentence or two. And I actively avoid having these 1:1 voice calls because there's no accountability and it basically destroys my productivity in the hours running up to them thanks to anxiety running overdrive.

    Just type the questions! Or reply to the comment in BitBucket! Gah!

    Nearly half a working day with back and forth about this call and 2 1/2 hours later we had the call! It took 5 minutes! I basically had to pat him on his head and tell him he did a good job following the instructions in my comment and apologised that I couldn't help with an unrelated issue.

    Could! Have! Been! 2! Sentences! In! Slack!

    I hate those people, just write out the issue and send it to me!

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    I have done our little cleanup process on about 100 Macbooks so far. The things I've noticed?

    - We need to lock down who can install what addons. Holy shit there are some bad ones people are using!
    - No, you can't use that app, sorry. Privacy issues.
    - MacBook cases are disgusting. The plastic covers that clip on? Dirt and dust get under them and just cake everywhere. Compared to the ones not in cases, the cased ones are filthy.
    - Intel Macbooks are incredibly slow compared to the M1s. Both same model year, but I can tell which ones will be done quicker just by the processor it has.
    - Why are you signed in to your personal account and your work account on the same browser and then complaining that we might see your personal stuff?
    - No, seriously, you don't need that app.

  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I hate those people, just write out the issue and send it to me!

    About the only plus point is that during the stand-up he'll mention that he had some questions for me and that we had a productive conversation and he subsequently fixed his issue. So I come out looking like a good senior engineer.

    I just wish I could get it through to this team that you can have asynchronous conversations.

    The one about the fucking space hairdresser and the cowboy. He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin
  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    Finance sends us monthly spending reports. They have been organized from most recent month to oldest month for a fiscal year since I started, which is, like, annoying because my own tracking sheets are chronological, but whatever. One gets used to reading it backwards and filling in the corresponding data.

    Until this month they finally decided to run the report in chronological order (with no notice), which was quite the mindfuck early in the morning before the coffee kicked in. Just sitting there comparing the two sheets like what the fuuuuuuuckohiseethanksiguess.

  • delphdelph DelawareRegistered User regular
    I hate those people, just write out the issue and send it to me!

    About the only plus point is that during the stand-up he'll mention that he had some questions for me and that we had a productive conversation and he subsequently fixed his issue. So I come out looking like a good senior engineer.

    I just wish I could get it through to this team that you can have asynchronous conversations.
    This frustrates me a lot too. In thinking about it, I believe the "instant gratification" mood of society is partly the cause of this push for synchronous conversations. Same reason that so many meetings Could! Have! Been! An! Email!

  • expendableexpendable Silly Goose Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I have done our little cleanup process on about 100 Macbooks so far. The things I've noticed?

    - We need to lock down who can install what addons. Holy shit there are some bad ones people are using!
    - No, you can't use that app, sorry. Privacy issues.
    - MacBook cases are disgusting. The plastic covers that clip on? Dirt and dust get under them and just cake everywhere. Compared to the ones not in cases, the cased ones are filthy.
    - Intel Macbooks are incredibly slow compared to the M1s. Both same model year, but I can tell which ones will be done quicker just by the processor it has.
    - Why are you signed in to your personal account and your work account on the same browser and then complaining that we might see your personal stuff?
    - No, seriously, you don't need that app.

    I realize you're probably not in a position to drive policy, but OH MY GOD let me tell you about the wonder that is MOSYLE for managing Apple Devices.

    We went from a horrendous free-for-all to locking down all the bullshit apps and extensions.

    And you can just have a nice little software portal for them to click and install stuff they can have! And you can customize it per building/dept/etc so you don't have to have all your approved software for the whole district available to everybody.

    iTunes is fully disabled across the board! No more personal account bullshit!

    Mosyle! I don't work for them but I'll still shill!
    Jamf used to be the gold standard but they were on top for so long they've gotten real lazy about new features and staying caught up and now Mosyle does lots of stuff Jamf doesn't or does worse.

    Djiem wrote: »
    Lokiamis wrote: »
    So the servers suddenly decide to cramp up during the last six percent.
    Man, the Director will really go out of his way to be a dick to L4D players.
    Steam
  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    We have Mosyle! It's a weird setup here... we're a Google school so the students all have Chromebooks, but the teachers all have MacBook Airs (and us techs get Pros, neener neener!). Mostly it is locked down, but staff come to us all the time about adding apps on and like.. nah. New Hampshire has really strict rules on what can software can be used with students, and if the companies aren't willing to sign agreements that they won't sell data (which most large companies won't) then we just can't use them.

    For the most part this can be fine. Most of what people are doing will be done through the Google apps on Chrome anyway. But we have a whole design lab downstairs that uses different things that had to be vetted. No big deal! Makerbot signed the agreement, Arduino did too, as did Vernier, Shapr, and Texas Instruments... we can work with it. But then you want the ChatGPT app on your device? Fuck right off.

    The extensions are a bigger deal for me, honestly. I've really been pushing since I started to lock down Chrome extensions and only allow certain ones. We have some that are installed by default of course, but there are very few that are just forbidden and that's a big problem. I've been fighting to add uBlock Origin to our list of auto-installed and to lock everything else out without specific requests but it's been a losing battle so far.

    As far as Mosyle itself goes, I haven't actually gotten access to that. She has our duties split up which I don't mind terribly. I do a lot of the MacBook support, in the moment stuff, and I do Google Admin and AV support in the building. But Mosyle she's hesitating on a bit I think because the setup they have is a mess. They started using Mosyle a couple years ago right when she started here and the person who did the setup created a lot of groups. As a result the whole system is kind of a mess and one of the things she's been trying to focus on is cleaning it up before she starts training me on it. Again, fine by me, I can do most of the other work I need to without it.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    So in starting this new job I got new insurance. Which is to say, its the same insurance carrier but with a different policy provided by my empoloyer.

    And they decided to, at the last second, ask for a new prior authorization of my crohn's meds. So I'm now about a week overdue for my injection and my body feels like its in open rebellion.

    I called the place I tutor at and they've agreed to just let me do the lecture tonight instead of the full lecture, proctor, and questions.

    I hope everything goes smoothly for the rest of the period but man, I am struggling right now.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Ugh. I've looked longingly at Mosyle. We use JAMF (because it's what our parent company uses and we're stuck working with a sub-instance of theirs) and it's... fine. But it's a fucking dinosaur.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    I have been watching Figma Config in between meetings and they showed up a few cool updates and a whole ass powerpoint replacement but it's really being dragged down by the "AI is here" part of the show. literally the only AI part that anyone clapped for was the "rename all of these layers" feature.

  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    I have been watching Figma Config in between meetings and they showed up a few cool updates and a whole ass powerpoint replacement but it's really being dragged down by the "AI is here" part of the show. literally the only AI part that anyone clapped for was the "rename all of these layers" feature.

    Figma balls hehehehe got 'em

  • SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    We've reach that point of the year where any European I add to an email has a 50% chance of replying with an out of office email.

  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    Found out that a large collection of colleagues from my previous job got laid off. Really gutted me as a portion are on H1B's and have been in the country for close to a decade ( DHS backlog means permanent resident is only 20+ years away ). I can't imagine trying to find a job in 60 days under the stress of having your family being deported.

  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    An angry patron requested a followup call from a manager and then immediately hung up on me when I called them.

    Hell yeah, best possible outcome, maximum efficiency.

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  • expendableexpendable Silly Goose Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    We have Mosyle! It's a weird setup here... we're a Google school so the students all have Chromebooks, but the teachers all have MacBook Airs (and us techs get Pros, neener neener!). Mostly it is locked down, but staff come to us all the time about adding apps on and like.. nah. New Hampshire has really strict rules on what can software can be used with students, and if the companies aren't willing to sign agreements that they won't sell data (which most large companies won't) then we just can't use them.

    For the most part this can be fine. Most of what people are doing will be done through the Google apps on Chrome anyway. But we have a whole design lab downstairs that uses different things that had to be vetted. No big deal! Makerbot signed the agreement, Arduino did too, as did Vernier, Shapr, and Texas Instruments... we can work with it. But then you want the ChatGPT app on your device? Fuck right off.

    The extensions are a bigger deal for me, honestly. I've really been pushing since I started to lock down Chrome extensions and only allow certain ones. We have some that are installed by default of course, but there are very few that are just forbidden and that's a big problem. I've been fighting to add uBlock Origin to our list of auto-installed and to lock everything else out without specific requests but it's been a losing battle so far.

    As far as Mosyle itself goes, I haven't actually gotten access to that. She has our duties split up which I don't mind terribly. I do a lot of the MacBook support, in the moment stuff, and I do Google Admin and AV support in the building. But Mosyle she's hesitating on a bit I think because the setup they have is a mess. They started using Mosyle a couple years ago right when she started here and the person who did the setup created a lot of groups. As a result the whole system is kind of a mess and one of the things she's been trying to focus on is cleaning it up before she starts training me on it. Again, fine by me, I can do most of the other work I need to without it.

    Oh yeah, any DM solution is gonna be a mess to clean up if you're not the one that set it up. One of my complaints about Mosyle is that all of certain emails go out to all Admins, regardless of the rights they're granted. Not everybody in the district needs to know about the VPP tokens for other schools are expiring, for example. Makes a lot of sense to get it cleaned up before bringing more people in.

    It took my team years to be able to get extensions locked down, so good luck on that front.

    Djiem wrote: »
    Lokiamis wrote: »
    So the servers suddenly decide to cramp up during the last six percent.
    Man, the Director will really go out of his way to be a dick to L4D players.
    Steam
  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    delph wrote: »
    I hate those people, just write out the issue and send it to me!

    About the only plus point is that during the stand-up he'll mention that he had some questions for me and that we had a productive conversation and he subsequently fixed his issue. So I come out looking like a good senior engineer.

    I just wish I could get it through to this team that you can have asynchronous conversations.
    This frustrates me a lot too. In thinking about it, I believe the "instant gratification" mood of society is partly the cause of this push for synchronous conversations. Same reason that so many meetings Could! Have! Been! An! Email!

    I think part of it is that a significant fraction of people either can't read, can't write, or both; so they see written communication as inherently less reliable.

    Which is just *tons* of fun for those of us who see non-written communication as inherently less reliable because there's no record.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    expendable wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    We have Mosyle! It's a weird setup here... we're a Google school so the students all have Chromebooks, but the teachers all have MacBook Airs (and us techs get Pros, neener neener!). Mostly it is locked down, but staff come to us all the time about adding apps on and like.. nah. New Hampshire has really strict rules on what can software can be used with students, and if the companies aren't willing to sign agreements that they won't sell data (which most large companies won't) then we just can't use them.

    For the most part this can be fine. Most of what people are doing will be done through the Google apps on Chrome anyway. But we have a whole design lab downstairs that uses different things that had to be vetted. No big deal! Makerbot signed the agreement, Arduino did too, as did Vernier, Shapr, and Texas Instruments... we can work with it. But then you want the ChatGPT app on your device? Fuck right off.

    The extensions are a bigger deal for me, honestly. I've really been pushing since I started to lock down Chrome extensions and only allow certain ones. We have some that are installed by default of course, but there are very few that are just forbidden and that's a big problem. I've been fighting to add uBlock Origin to our list of auto-installed and to lock everything else out without specific requests but it's been a losing battle so far.

    As far as Mosyle itself goes, I haven't actually gotten access to that. She has our duties split up which I don't mind terribly. I do a lot of the MacBook support, in the moment stuff, and I do Google Admin and AV support in the building. But Mosyle she's hesitating on a bit I think because the setup they have is a mess. They started using Mosyle a couple years ago right when she started here and the person who did the setup created a lot of groups. As a result the whole system is kind of a mess and one of the things she's been trying to focus on is cleaning it up before she starts training me on it. Again, fine by me, I can do most of the other work I need to without it.

    Oh yeah, any DM solution is gonna be a mess to clean up if you're not the one that set it up. One of my complaints about Mosyle is that all of certain emails go out to all Admins, regardless of the rights they're granted. Not everybody in the district needs to know about the VPP tokens for other schools are expiring, for example. Makes a lot of sense to get it cleaned up before bringing more people in.

    It took my team years to be able to get extensions locked down, so good luck on that front.

    I was at least able to talk my boss into letting me suspend teacher accounts who didn't get their 2FA set up on time. Though in this case it was more of a:

    "Yeah those four that didn't do their 2FA like you and I kept emailing? I just suspended their Google accounts."
    "Hahaha wait really?"
    "Yeah"
    "You should maybe ask first but also hahaha good."

    I have faith I'll be able to wear them down on extensions. So many are real threats, and they do things that are totally unnecessary. We have to vet all the software, we should do it for these too.

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