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Can we go to the [Movie] thread and get cookout after?
Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Fantasy Island was so bad it pissed me off
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I rewatched the Godfather movies over the last few days. The first two were more or less how I remembered. With the third one, I genuinely didn't remember the whole incest angle of it. I remembered that Michael didn't want Vincent to be with his daughter, but in my mind it was because he was a violent thug, but nope, he just doesn't want grandkids with webbed feet, which is perfectly sensible.
I know this is three day old discussion about getting fit for films, but every time I see a movie like Love Lies Bleeding where a main character is really really fit, I'm always like... yeah! I could do that! I could exercise! I could have the giant woman physique of my dreams! Why not! And then I read the inevitable Men's Health article -
...working out six days a week in three-hour spurts (often after long days of shooting) with Hollywood trainer Steve Zim, (...) “He knows how to essentially sculpt muscle for the camera, which is a very different experience than just sculpting it for a competition,” O’Brian says. She adds: “He would customize my workouts every single day,” adjusting her routines based on her soreness levels. The studio also supplied O’Brian with a meal prep service and a nutritionist to weigh her breakfasts, lunches, and dinners
and I go, ah. Yes. That is why not. I can barely manage to feed myself anything on the regular, much less all of that work. Not to mention the obligatory -
A week before filming, O'Brian worked to shed water weight so she'd look slightly more vascular and show more separation in her muscles (a look she'd based, along with her frizzled hairstyle, on ’80s bodybuilder Lisa Lyon). To do this, she did what's called a dehydration cycle, significantly cutting her water consumption over several days to help get rid of an extra 10 pounds of water weight
So yeah I think, even if I were getting paid, that's a no from me. It's no longer exercise, it is grueling physical labor, without the bonus of going out after a day at the job site and ordering a billion calories at Outback Steakhouse. Even as a teen working for my dad doing construction, it's shocking how quickly you just get absolutely beat up. I can't imagine filming a full day, going home, slapping on whatever the 2023 equivalent is of a trash bag covered with a hoodie, and then going to work out for 3 hours with limited water to come home to your prescribed perfectly weighed meal. I may joke about wanting a zookeeper to handle all of my enrichment needs, but the reality of all that sounds like it would drive me insane.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Teamregular
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So, I'm obviously still thinking about Meteor Man.
Specifically I am thinking about the film's principal villain, Simon Caine (Roy Fegan), the leader of a local gang called The Golden Lords. And I'm thinking about how a superhero film projects to an audience that its villain is a bad guy. We have examples of movies that do a poor job, say, Thor: The Dark World, which tells the audience that a villain is bad but doesn't actually convince the audience in any real way to root against its primary antagonist. And I think Meteor Man takes the correct approach, that something like Blade utilizes too, in that they make their villain an asshole. It isn't enough to have them trying to destroy the world or rob a bank or kill the hero.
They need to be an asshole.
Your audience understands that. They know that type of behavior. They've grown up with it, they've seen it in their lives.
Deacon Frost's plan to awaken the "blood god" La Magra is secondary to the fact that you would absolutely hate having to spend any time around that guy because he fucking SUCKS.
So, how does Meteor Man go about communicating that Simon Caine is a real bad guy? Oh, he attacks old women! At one point he and his minions unload pistols into a crowd of citizens just to prove a point. But what really highlights the type of guy Simon Caine is, deep down? In his final confrontation, when given the chance to throw a heavy object at his new nemesis, Meteor Man, he instead opts to hurl it at the hero's dog. The dog poses no threat to Caine in any way. He tries to murder a superhero's dog because it will hurt them in such a profoundly greater way than anything he could do physically.
God, what a fuckin' asshole.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
if he'd just done that at the beginning of the movie, it could have launched a John Wickian franchise
So I'm mostly done with the Blank Check about Last Action Hero and got to the part where they talk about Schwartzenegger talking about a Last Action Hero 2 and who would be best to do the satire and how to do it and I think they're all taking the wrong tack.
The only way to do a Last Action Hero sequel and make it interesting is to make a Jack Slater movie. Just straight up late eighties excess action movies with too many explosions, gratuitous nudity, and kills and the good guy shaking off damage that should kill him gleefully. A full on comedic side kick while the main character is dead serious about the action. Those movies don't really exist anymore although elements of them do, but there's nothing that just embraces that attitude anymore. The closest one that I remember most recently was Rambo where he went into Burma to rescue the missionaries. But even that one didn't have the over the top explosions in the violence and nudity.
So, I'm obviously still thinking about Meteor Man.
Specifically I am thinking about the film's principal villain, Simon Caine (Roy Fegan), the leader of a local gang called The Golden Lords. And I'm thinking about how a superhero film projects to an audience that its villain is a bad guy. We have examples of movies that do a poor job, say, Thor: The Dark World, which tells the audience that a villain is bad but doesn't actually convince the audience in any real way to root against its primary antagonist. And I think Meteor Man takes the correct approach, that something like Blade utilizes too, in that they make their villain an asshole. It isn't enough to have them trying to destroy the world or rob a bank or kill the hero.
They need to be an asshole.
Your audience understands that. They know that type of behavior. They've grown up with it, they've seen it in their lives.
Deacon Frost's plan to awaken the "blood god" La Magra is secondary to the fact that you would absolutely hate having to spend any time around that guy because he fucking SUCKS.
So, how does Meteor Man go about communicating that Simon Caine is a real bad guy? Oh, he attacks old women! At one point he and his minions unload pistols into a crowd of citizens just to prove a point. But what really highlights the type of guy Simon Caine is, deep down? In his final confrontation, when given the chance to throw a heavy object at his new nemesis, Meteor Man, he instead opts to hurl it at the hero's dog. The dog poses no threat to Caine in any way. He tries to murder a superhero's dog because it will hurt them in such a profoundly greater way than anything he could do physically.
I honestly think the last time we had something close to a Last Action Hero was with the MacGruber movie.
I meant the last time we had a movie that Last Action Hero was parodying. Anything willing to be close to it is already tongue in cheek about it like Kingsman or Deadpool. The one-liners are too self aware, they know its goofy and the characters don't take the movie seriously.
I honestly think the last time we had something close to a Last Action Hero was with the MacGruber movie.
I meant the last time we had a movie that Last Action Hero was parodying. Anything willing to be close to it is already tongue in cheek about it like Kingsman or Deadpool. The one-liners are too self aware, they know its goofy and the characters don't take the movie seriously.
Wasn't this supposed to be The Expendables, originally?
I honestly think the last time we had something close to a Last Action Hero was with the MacGruber movie.
I meant the last time we had a movie that Last Action Hero was parodying. Anything willing to be close to it is already tongue in cheek about it like Kingsman or Deadpool. The one-liners are too self aware, they know its goofy and the characters don't take the movie seriously.
Wasn't this supposed to be The Expendables, originally?
Kind of, but those movies are written being fully aware of every actors reputation. There are so many meta jokes in every movie.
I honestly think the last time we had something close to a Last Action Hero was with the MacGruber movie.
I meant the last time we had a movie that Last Action Hero was parodying. Anything willing to be close to it is already tongue in cheek about it like Kingsman or Deadpool. The one-liners are too self aware, they know its goofy and the characters don't take the movie seriously.
Wasn't this supposed to be The Expendables, originally?
Kind of, but those movies are written being fully aware of every actors reputation. There are so many meta jokes in every movie.
The snake has not only long since swallowed its own tail, it has finished working its way to the end (or the beginning) and vanished with a *pop*.
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Bloods EndBlade of TyshallePunch dimensionRegistered Userregular
I feel like the beekeeper was a throwback to that sort of action movie
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
Last Action Hero was both ahead of its time but also kind of situated perfectly in the only period that movie could have been
It's almost impressive how they made nearly every wrong decision possible in the production of that movie and still came out the other side with something I think is mostly pretty fun
But the answer now is I don't think you can do another one, because the parody of those movies is so beaten to death, but also because the style of movies it was sending up are now themselves old enough now to themselves feel kind of refreshing and different
They had their one shot at Last Action Hero and blew it
So, I'm obviously still thinking about Meteor Man.
Specifically I am thinking about the film's principal villain, Simon Caine (Roy Fegan), the leader of a local gang called The Golden Lords. And I'm thinking about how a superhero film projects to an audience that its villain is a bad guy. We have examples of movies that do a poor job, say, Thor: The Dark World, which tells the audience that a villain is bad but doesn't actually convince the audience in any real way to root against its primary antagonist. And I think Meteor Man takes the correct approach, that something like Blade utilizes too, in that they make their villain an asshole. It isn't enough to have them trying to destroy the world or rob a bank or kill the hero.
They need to be an asshole.
Your audience understands that. They know that type of behavior. They've grown up with it, they've seen it in their lives.
Deacon Frost's plan to awaken the "blood god" La Magra is secondary to the fact that you would absolutely hate having to spend any time around that guy because he fucking SUCKS.
So, how does Meteor Man go about communicating that Simon Caine is a real bad guy? Oh, he attacks old women! At one point he and his minions unload pistols into a crowd of citizens just to prove a point. But what really highlights the type of guy Simon Caine is, deep down? In his final confrontation, when given the chance to throw a heavy object at his new nemesis, Meteor Man, he instead opts to hurl it at the hero's dog. The dog poses no threat to Caine in any way. He tries to murder a superhero's dog because it will hurt them in such a profoundly greater way than anything he could do physically.
God, what a fuckin' asshole.
Why is this movie not available to stream?!
I don't know if I've ever seen it on a streaming service, which is why I secured it last December to actually own.
But that doesn't quite help you right now, so, I offer a minor consolation prize.
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I watched Poor Things last night. I think I liked it despite itself. Almost all of the actors were giving good to great performances, there was some great costume design, and overall pretty good writing (about where I'd expect from the writer of Cruella, naturally).
But man, I hated so many of the aesthetic choices outside of the costuming. The jumping around between black and white and color and fisheye and pinhole shots, the production design that makes Pushing Daisies look naturalistic, simply awful. Overall I thought the humor read as just a bit too dry, a bit too muted - it wanted you to think it was funny, but it didn't want you to do anything so gauche as to laugh. And it could have been an easy twenty to thirty minutes shorter, it really dragged in the middle there (I'd cut down Paris significantly, and probably a fair bit of Lisbon as well).
Anyways, I liked it more than I liked the other Yorgos Lanthimos movie I've seen (The Lobster, which I hated), but I do think that I might still dislike what he's doing with movies generally.
I know this is three day old discussion about getting fit for films, but every time I see a movie like Love Lies Bleeding where a main character is really really fit, I'm always like... yeah! I could do that! I could exercise! I could have the giant woman physique of my dreams! Why not! And then I read the inevitable Men's Health article -
...working out six days a week in three-hour spurts (often after long days of shooting) with Hollywood trainer Steve Zim, (...) “He knows how to essentially sculpt muscle for the camera, which is a very different experience than just sculpting it for a competition,” O’Brian says. She adds: “He would customize my workouts every single day,” adjusting her routines based on her soreness levels. The studio also supplied O’Brian with a meal prep service and a nutritionist to weigh her breakfasts, lunches, and dinners
and I go, ah. Yes. That is why not. I can barely manage to feed myself anything on the regular, much less all of that work. Not to mention the obligatory -
A week before filming, O'Brian worked to shed water weight so she'd look slightly more vascular and show more separation in her muscles (a look she'd based, along with her frizzled hairstyle, on ’80s bodybuilder Lisa Lyon). To do this, she did what's called a dehydration cycle, significantly cutting her water consumption over several days to help get rid of an extra 10 pounds of water weight
So yeah I think, even if I were getting paid, that's a no from me. It's no longer exercise, it is grueling physical labor, without the bonus of going out after a day at the job site and ordering a billion calories at Outback Steakhouse. Even as a teen working for my dad doing construction, it's shocking how quickly you just get absolutely beat up. I can't imagine filming a full day, going home, slapping on whatever the 2023 equivalent is of a trash bag covered with a hoodie, and then going to work out for 3 hours with limited water to come home to your prescribed perfectly weighed meal. I may joke about wanting a zookeeper to handle all of my enrichment needs, but the reality of all that sounds like it would drive me insane.
Basically all of the people I know who are like, literally fitness industry professionals (personal trainers, nutritionists, etc) consider the Hollywood-style "How [Insert Star Here] Got Ripped for Their Role" sort of articles -- crash diets, quick gains, etc -- to be essentially evil incarnate for the purpose of any kind of real-world fitness equation, because those articles all attention-grabbing and touting quick gains for being temporarily the human equivalent of a show dog and at enormous cost
It's sort of like telling a new home cook that they have to immediately become a Michelin starred chef with their own functional restaurant with just six weeks and everything they have in their kitchen
I mean it's pretty much assumed that they're on Gear too, right? Like monitored by a Doctor, but on Gear none the less.
I mean, I always assume that. I’m pretty sure there’s no way else to get that particular look, esp from people who are just thrown into a grueling fitness regime for one movie.
I mean it's pretty much assumed that they're on Gear too, right? Like monitored by a Doctor, but on Gear none the less.
I mean, I always assume that. I’m pretty sure there’s no way else to get that particular look, esp from people who are just thrown into a grueling fitness regime for one movie.
It depends on the actor and especially their age, plus how long a ramp they've got
Like, basically anyone over about 45 who's not just fit, but with an improbable amount of muscle-mass, is probably on at least some supplemental testosterone
You can get pretty big and pretty lean all natty, given enough time and sustained workouts (just look at 1930s body builders), but there's basically no way to get John Cena huge without steroids or to get Dwayne Johnson huge after a certain age
That, and for younger actors, just gaining x amount of mass or getting x amount of lean beyond what's normally sustainable definitely takes both a professional nutritionist as well as some questionable supplements
The amount of lean and jacked a normal person without "gear-based" supplementation can get is a little bit more than I think a lot of people assume, it just takes like 15 years instead of 15 months to get similar results as what someone hitting the Vitamin T is gonna get in terms of going from like 80% of potential muscle mass at a given highly toned leanness to 100% of potential
Edit: oh and obviously almost anyone in the '80s or '90s who was a Schwarzenegger-sized flesh zeppelin was on 'roids, but I'm talking about people who are a little less blatantly beyond the muscle mass proportions of what a natty fitness regimen can achieve
Edit2: It's worth noting that the only two recent superhero actors who I straight up believe their claims that they have never used any kind of PED or steroid are Robert Pattinson and Henry Cavill, though Cavill's been pretty open about how avoiding gear means that he has to get dummy dehydrated for the kinds of muscle shots that someone like Chris Hemsworth can just do standing there, where Pattinson just deliberately avoided having to take that kind of shot in the first place
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Having just finished Imaginary, I can definitely say it belongs with those films (derogatory)
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More wholesome: Sydney Sweeney watching Immaculate with real pastors who've never seen horror films above PG ratings, if at all
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From what I can tell she 100% embraces it and seems to have no issue using them to make money or get roles.
Get it girl!
What was even funnier is she didn't know who Marshawn lynch was. So I got to explain that.
That was pretty much the only part of the movie that got a reaction out of me. And the suplex
and I go, ah. Yes. That is why not. I can barely manage to feed myself anything on the regular, much less all of that work. Not to mention the obligatory -
So yeah I think, even if I were getting paid, that's a no from me. It's no longer exercise, it is grueling physical labor, without the bonus of going out after a day at the job site and ordering a billion calories at Outback Steakhouse. Even as a teen working for my dad doing construction, it's shocking how quickly you just get absolutely beat up. I can't imagine filming a full day, going home, slapping on whatever the 2023 equivalent is of a trash bag covered with a hoodie, and then going to work out for 3 hours with limited water to come home to your prescribed perfectly weighed meal. I may joke about wanting a zookeeper to handle all of my enrichment needs, but the reality of all that sounds like it would drive me insane.
Specifically I am thinking about the film's principal villain, Simon Caine (Roy Fegan), the leader of a local gang called The Golden Lords. And I'm thinking about how a superhero film projects to an audience that its villain is a bad guy. We have examples of movies that do a poor job, say, Thor: The Dark World, which tells the audience that a villain is bad but doesn't actually convince the audience in any real way to root against its primary antagonist. And I think Meteor Man takes the correct approach, that something like Blade utilizes too, in that they make their villain an asshole. It isn't enough to have them trying to destroy the world or rob a bank or kill the hero.
They need to be an asshole.
Your audience understands that. They know that type of behavior. They've grown up with it, they've seen it in their lives.
Deacon Frost's plan to awaken the "blood god" La Magra is secondary to the fact that you would absolutely hate having to spend any time around that guy because he fucking SUCKS.
So, how does Meteor Man go about communicating that Simon Caine is a real bad guy? Oh, he attacks old women! At one point he and his minions unload pistols into a crowd of citizens just to prove a point. But what really highlights the type of guy Simon Caine is, deep down? In his final confrontation, when given the chance to throw a heavy object at his new nemesis, Meteor Man, he instead opts to hurl it at the hero's dog. The dog poses no threat to Caine in any way. He tries to murder a superhero's dog because it will hurt them in such a profoundly greater way than anything he could do physically.
God, what a fuckin' asshole.
The only way to do a Last Action Hero sequel and make it interesting is to make a Jack Slater movie. Just straight up late eighties excess action movies with too many explosions, gratuitous nudity, and kills and the good guy shaking off damage that should kill him gleefully. A full on comedic side kick while the main character is dead serious about the action. Those movies don't really exist anymore although elements of them do, but there's nothing that just embraces that attitude anymore. The closest one that I remember most recently was Rambo where he went into Burma to rescue the missionaries. But even that one didn't have the over the top explosions in the violence and nudity.
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Why is this movie not available to stream?!
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I meant the last time we had a movie that Last Action Hero was parodying. Anything willing to be close to it is already tongue in cheek about it like Kingsman or Deadpool. The one-liners are too self aware, they know its goofy and the characters don't take the movie seriously.
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Wasn't this supposed to be The Expendables, originally?
Kind of, but those movies are written being fully aware of every actors reputation. There are so many meta jokes in every movie.
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The snake has not only long since swallowed its own tail, it has finished working its way to the end (or the beginning) and vanished with a *pop*.
It's almost impressive how they made nearly every wrong decision possible in the production of that movie and still came out the other side with something I think is mostly pretty fun
But the answer now is I don't think you can do another one, because the parody of those movies is so beaten to death, but also because the style of movies it was sending up are now themselves old enough now to themselves feel kind of refreshing and different
They had their one shot at Last Action Hero and blew it
Holy shit.
I don't know if I've ever seen it on a streaming service, which is why I secured it last December to actually own.
But that doesn't quite help you right now, so, I offer a minor consolation prize.
Here's the villain of the film screaming "yeaaaaa!!! boiiiii!!!!!!!!!" when he learns he's immune to bullets:
But man, I hated so many of the aesthetic choices outside of the costuming. The jumping around between black and white and color and fisheye and pinhole shots, the production design that makes Pushing Daisies look naturalistic, simply awful. Overall I thought the humor read as just a bit too dry, a bit too muted - it wanted you to think it was funny, but it didn't want you to do anything so gauche as to laugh. And it could have been an easy twenty to thirty minutes shorter, it really dragged in the middle there (I'd cut down Paris significantly, and probably a fair bit of Lisbon as well).
Anyways, I liked it more than I liked the other Yorgos Lanthimos movie I've seen (The Lobster, which I hated), but I do think that I might still dislike what he's doing with movies generally.
Basically all of the people I know who are like, literally fitness industry professionals (personal trainers, nutritionists, etc) consider the Hollywood-style "How [Insert Star Here] Got Ripped for Their Role" sort of articles -- crash diets, quick gains, etc -- to be essentially evil incarnate for the purpose of any kind of real-world fitness equation, because those articles all attention-grabbing and touting quick gains for being temporarily the human equivalent of a show dog and at enormous cost
It's sort of like telling a new home cook that they have to immediately become a Michelin starred chef with their own functional restaurant with just six weeks and everything they have in their kitchen
I had only seen it on TV in the past, so I was surprised by the amount of 80s boob.
And Swayze butt! A lady shows up at his sweet loft apartment with some breakfast and he stumbles out of bed to show off his caboose.
Yeah, that movie rules
Swayze loved showing off his butt.
Thats what his song, “She’s Like the Wind” is about
I mean, I always assume that. I’m pretty sure there’s no way else to get that particular look, esp from people who are just thrown into a grueling fitness regime for one movie.
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Him and Van Damme insisting there be a shot of their ass in every movie.
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I would do the same if I had an ass like either of them. I’d NEVER wear pants.
It depends on the actor and especially their age, plus how long a ramp they've got
Like, basically anyone over about 45 who's not just fit, but with an improbable amount of muscle-mass, is probably on at least some supplemental testosterone
You can get pretty big and pretty lean all natty, given enough time and sustained workouts (just look at 1930s body builders), but there's basically no way to get John Cena huge without steroids or to get Dwayne Johnson huge after a certain age
That, and for younger actors, just gaining x amount of mass or getting x amount of lean beyond what's normally sustainable definitely takes both a professional nutritionist as well as some questionable supplements
The amount of lean and jacked a normal person without "gear-based" supplementation can get is a little bit more than I think a lot of people assume, it just takes like 15 years instead of 15 months to get similar results as what someone hitting the Vitamin T is gonna get in terms of going from like 80% of potential muscle mass at a given highly toned leanness to 100% of potential
Edit: oh and obviously almost anyone in the '80s or '90s who was a Schwarzenegger-sized flesh zeppelin was on 'roids, but I'm talking about people who are a little less blatantly beyond the muscle mass proportions of what a natty fitness regimen can achieve
Edit2: It's worth noting that the only two recent superhero actors who I straight up believe their claims that they have never used any kind of PED or steroid are Robert Pattinson and Henry Cavill, though Cavill's been pretty open about how avoiding gear means that he has to get dummy dehydrated for the kinds of muscle shots that someone like Chris Hemsworth can just do standing there, where Pattinson just deliberately avoided having to take that kind of shot in the first place
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Today we went for a walk around my local lake and then, per her suggestion, we watched Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Wowza... That film has some fashion CHOICES in it.