The thing about the power thing(along with the environmental stuff) is that it represents a cost the companies are tanking with the plan of eventually breaking even somehow. Therefore when imagining the "future" of AI you have to imagine a cost per-inquiry. So the question becomes not just "how useful is this information" or "how truthful is this information" but also "how much would people be willing to spend for this?". I don't see the individual person paying the per-inquiry cost.
The estimates for how much energy is consumed per query vary wildly but the estimates for the google AI are like 3 watt hours which is like 25 queries per cent at residential energy prices.
sure AI techbros might be consuming all the planets energy and hastening the destruction of all life
but what if AI tech bros also promised us a free, efficient, infinitely scalable and perpetually renewable source of energy which we could use to power the whole planet
I thought that using the slurp juice would create more energy we could use for more AI made NFTs?
Slurpetual motion is real! You'll see! You'll all see!
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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
did disrespect's output actually keep up the gimmick of being a time traveler or whatever, like he still seems to dress up as...something? during his streams
aside from reports of him being a creepo that's really the only thing I know about him
but that seems like a gag that would get old after like... a few minutes, not several years worth of full time streaming
A lot of energy market folks made a huge stink about the state of Texas trying to attract bitcoin miners.
Then it turned out the state of Texas paid those bitcoin miners to stop using electricity so that the grid could have it instead, and state of Texas legislators started going "what?? This is unacceptable!!"
Meanwhile our grid operator is doing brownouts and asking people to conserve and I just crank the AC up even more.
brolo i think you're asking a lot of us if you expect us to know anything about drdisrespect's in-character lore
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
If there’s one thing I didn’t need to know
It was that DrDisrespect had fuckin lore
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
A lot of energy market folks made a huge stink about the state of Texas trying to attract bitcoin miners.
Then it turned out the state of Texas paid those bitcoin miners to stop using electricity so that the grid could have it instead, and state of Texas legislators started going "what?? This is unacceptable!!"
Meanwhile our grid operator is doing brownouts and asking people to conserve and I just crank the AC up even more.
Are the legislators objecting to the payments, or that the miners were asked to stop?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Knowing Texas, the latter.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
so was the "we do not understand the concept of love" sample (from a Black Panther Party speech) on a CD or something, or did Hideki Naganuma just like to sample civil rights activist speeches (see also: Wrapped in Black sampling Malcolm X)
I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed, but the "concept of love" Stokely Carmichael sample was likely from the Norman Cook (aka Fatboy Slim) "Skip to My Loops" sample cd. It has a lot of samples that show up in other Naganuma songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOOsKFFT7Q
5:14, followed by 3:36 for "The Concept of Love", 2:49 is from "Fly Like a Butterfly", 4:46 from "Oldies but Happies", among others. Link to the entire cd if you were curious (lots of helpful timestamps in the comments).
The Malcom X bit from "Wrapped in Black" has a long history of being used as a sample. But Naganumi likely got it from Polestar Magnetics' "The X-Static Goldmine" sample cds, judging by the number of other samples from those that show up in his songs. (Again, comments have a bunch of helpful timestamps)
As for the other samples from that Stokely Carmichael speech that get used in "Da People", I'm not sure if those were ever on a sample cd or if Naganuma got it straight from the source.
anyway just something to think about as yous keep "testing" ai to say how much it sucks/doesn't suck
This is incredibly frustrating because Google doesn’t give me an option for their AI bullshit to not fire. So anytime I’m trying to search for something it is gonna do an AI search.
Wait each regular google search is equivalent to a 6 minute phonecall? That seems kinda high.
How much more power am I using when I'm lazy and use google as a calculator vs my calculator app?
It's bad that Republican presidential candidate that's been ahead in the polls is explicitly planning on working with the Heritage Foundation to terrorize civil service workers into quitting and then institute a patronage system.
Heritage’s Project 2025 proposes reviving the Trump Schedule F policy that would try to reclassify tens of thousands of federal workers as political appointees, which could enable mass dismissals — although a Biden administration rule seeks to make that more difficult. The Heritage project is working to recruit and train a new generation to travel to Washington to fill government jobs.
In announcing the $100,000 Innovation Award last month, Heritage said it’d support American Accountability Foundation’s “investigative researchers, in-depth reports, and educational efforts to alert Congress, a conservative administration, and the American people to the presence of anti-American bad actors burrowed into the administrative state and ensure appropriate action is taken.”
Do what you can to elect Harris/Walz and downticket Dem candidates in your area by doorknocking, phonebanking, or postcarding: https://www.mobilize.us/
Wait each regular google search is equivalent to a 6 minute phonecall? That seems kinda high.
How much more power am I using when I'm lazy and use google as a calculator vs my calculator app?
The Internet as a whole uses a lot more electricity than people probably realize. It's part of the bad part of web2.0 flashy graphics and tracking shit, tbh.
anyway just something to think about as yous keep "testing" ai to say how much it sucks/doesn't suck
This is incredibly frustrating because Google doesn’t give me an option for their AI bullshit to not fire. So anytime I’m trying to search for something it is gonna do an AI search.
anyway just something to think about as yous keep "testing" ai to say how much it sucks/doesn't suck
This is incredibly frustrating because Google doesn’t give me an option for their AI bullshit to not fire. So anytime I’m trying to search for something it is gonna do an AI search.
How to get Google Search results without AI Overviews.Tedium has a tip for opting out of Google’s AI summarized answers: add “udm=14” to your default search URL, so it reads as “https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14” instead of Google dot com.
To set this up in Chrome, go into Settings, then Search engine > Manage search engines> Site search. In Arc, go to Arc > Settings > Profiles > Search settings > Add (Site search).
Wait each regular google search is equivalent to a 6 minute phonecall? That seems kinda high.
How much more power am I using when I'm lazy and use google as a calculator vs my calculator app?
The Internet as a whole uses a lot more electricity than people probably realize. It's part of the bad part of web2.0 flashy graphics and tracking shit, tbh.
Makes you wonder how much guilt we should be feeling for watching thousands of hours of stupid youtube videos and tiktoks or whatever.
I mean, everything we do in life seems wrong, but still.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
anyway just something to think about as yous keep "testing" ai to say how much it sucks/doesn't suck
This is incredibly frustrating because Google doesn’t give me an option for their AI bullshit to not fire. So anytime I’m trying to search for something it is gonna do an AI search.
it's incredible (in a bad way) that good search engines no longer exist. useful reverse image search no longer exists. technology that has existed for decade(s) has been changed or abandoned so that any search for information just results with more and more ways to spend money.
every time a search engine says "showing results for [words i did not search], would you rather show results for [the words i typed in]" i want to unplug the internet. especially if i click on "no, search for what i told you" and then it says the same "showing other results" nonsense anyway.
The thing though, is the internet has a ton of shit that is needlessly pointless. A ton of internet ads, do a shit ton of things they really don't need to do. All an ad really needs to do is name the the product, give a reasonable idea of what it does, where to find it and maybe list a price, contact information or a link to the company's website. For most products, a still image is more than enough. Problem is the fuckers in the ad industry demand people's attention, so they make these fucking obnoxious ads, that also tend to be massive security liabilities as well.
There is also plenty of other shit that websites have running, that they don't need to run, but feel entitled to run, even if like 90% of the user base is completely oblivious to it. In fact, I'm pretty sure a fair chunk of users find the stuff obnoxious.
If I'm watching a video, that's a different thing than an animated ad or an overly busy animated top page banner and animated background for a website. When I load up a video, I at least have the intention of watching it and an expectation that it'll probably use more resources than a page of written text.
Though ads, by far are probably the worst fucking offenders.
anyway just something to think about as yous keep "testing" ai to say how much it sucks/doesn't suck
By the way, I checked how many Google search queries there are in a day. It's 8.5 billion, making this a total consumption of 25.5 GwH/day. Which is the equivalent of about 850k households.
The thing about the power thing(along with the environmental stuff) is that it represents a cost the companies are tanking with the plan of eventually breaking even somehow. Therefore when imagining the "future" of AI you have to imagine a cost per-inquiry. So the question becomes not just "how useful is this information" or "how truthful is this information" but also "how much would people be willing to spend for this?". I don't see the individual person paying the per-inquiry cost.
The estimates for how much energy is consumed per query vary wildly but the estimates for the google AI are like 3 watt hours which is like 25 queries per cent at residential energy prices.
Maybe this is me showing my ignorance here but I don't see how those two things square with each other. How can this thing that apparently costs very little electricity and thus very little money also be having so much of an environmental cost? I actually want to hear the answer but my gut feeling is that the real cost of AI is being intentionally downplayed. If for nothing else because of that and also because AI companies are acting like every tech startup working at a loss. Weirdly desperate for people who claim to have invented something that's going to change the world.
BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
librarians made amazing cataloguing systems for searching vast quantities of data, and for twenty years or so the closer an internet search could get to replicating those results quickly, the better the search engine was
but then they discovered that they could make a lot more money if you didn't find what you were searching for right away, and every time you tried again they could show you more ads instead, and search has deliberately gotten worse since then
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Turns out at least twice
the twitter replies to their announcement are being very normal about it, as you can imagine
The estimates for how much energy is consumed per query vary wildly but the estimates for the google AI are like 3 watt hours which is like 25 queries per cent at residential energy prices.
sure AI techbros might be consuming all the planets energy and hastening the destruction of all life
but what if AI tech bros also promised us a free, efficient, infinitely scalable and perpetually renewable source of energy which we could use to power the whole planet
there are practically zero downsides to it
lol, lmao
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
Do you see the white one or the black one?
I thought that using the slurp juice would create more energy we could use for more AI made NFTs?
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970666737/
Slurpetual motion is real! You'll see! You'll all see!
aside from reports of him being a creepo that's really the only thing I know about him
but that seems like a gag that would get old after like... a few minutes, not several years worth of full time streaming
Then it turned out the state of Texas paid those bitcoin miners to stop using electricity so that the grid could have it instead, and state of Texas legislators started going "what?? This is unacceptable!!"
Meanwhile our grid operator is doing brownouts and asking people to conserve and I just crank the AC up even more.
It was that DrDisrespect had fuckin lore
Are the legislators objecting to the payments, or that the miners were asked to stop?
he's just a meaty vtuber
Actually objecting to the payments, surprisingly.
They're also shocked that current projections have Texas to double its electricity load by 2030. Because of said bitcoin miners.
hold on i’m getting a note from my producer here
oh no
I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed, but the "concept of love" Stokely Carmichael sample was likely from the Norman Cook (aka Fatboy Slim) "Skip to My Loops" sample cd. It has a lot of samples that show up in other Naganuma songs.
5:14, followed by 3:36 for "The Concept of Love", 2:49 is from "Fly Like a Butterfly", 4:46 from "Oldies but Happies", among others. Link to the entire cd if you were curious (lots of helpful timestamps in the comments).
The Malcom X bit from "Wrapped in Black" has a long history of being used as a sample. But Naganumi likely got it from Polestar Magnetics' "The X-Static Goldmine" sample cds, judging by the number of other samples from those that show up in his songs. (Again, comments have a bunch of helpful timestamps)
As for the other samples from that Stokely Carmichael speech that get used in "Da People", I'm not sure if those were ever on a sample cd or if Naganuma got it straight from the source.
it's almost like those people don't actually care about pedophilia they just use it as a horrible accusation for people they hate
Steam: Chagrin LoL: Bonhomie
Whose name I forget.
Anyway it's a unique idea and nobody else has ever had it.
Oh, you mean a Fleshtuber?
captain dissolution kinda does that sort of shtick
don't like that
Steam: Chagrin LoL: Bonhomie
we are all god's fleshtubers
“UGLY GIANT TUBES OF FLESH”
This is incredibly frustrating because Google doesn’t give me an option for their AI bullshit to not fire. So anytime I’m trying to search for something it is gonna do an AI search.
How much more power am I using when I'm lazy and use google as a calculator vs my calculator app?
From the AP: Conservative-backed group is creating a list of federal workers it suspects could resist Trump plans
The Internet as a whole uses a lot more electricity than people probably realize. It's part of the bad part of web2.0 flashy graphics and tracking shit, tbh.
https://udm14.com/
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24160741/turning-back-the-clock-on-google-search
Alternately: https://udm14.com/
Makes you wonder how much guilt we should be feeling for watching thousands of hours of stupid youtube videos and tiktoks or whatever.
I mean, everything we do in life seems wrong, but still.
it's incredible (in a bad way) that good search engines no longer exist. useful reverse image search no longer exists. technology that has existed for decade(s) has been changed or abandoned so that any search for information just results with more and more ways to spend money.
every time a search engine says "showing results for [words i did not search], would you rather show results for [the words i typed in]" i want to unplug the internet. especially if i click on "no, search for what i told you" and then it says the same "showing other results" nonsense anyway.
There is also plenty of other shit that websites have running, that they don't need to run, but feel entitled to run, even if like 90% of the user base is completely oblivious to it. In fact, I'm pretty sure a fair chunk of users find the stuff obnoxious.
If I'm watching a video, that's a different thing than an animated ad or an overly busy animated top page banner and animated background for a website. When I load up a video, I at least have the intention of watching it and an expectation that it'll probably use more resources than a page of written text.
Though ads, by far are probably the worst fucking offenders.
By the way, I checked how many Google search queries there are in a day. It's 8.5 billion, making this a total consumption of 25.5 GwH/day. Which is the equivalent of about 850k households.
Steam: pazython
Maybe this is me showing my ignorance here but I don't see how those two things square with each other. How can this thing that apparently costs very little electricity and thus very little money also be having so much of an environmental cost? I actually want to hear the answer but my gut feeling is that the real cost of AI is being intentionally downplayed. If for nothing else because of that and also because AI companies are acting like every tech startup working at a loss. Weirdly desperate for people who claim to have invented something that's going to change the world.
https://gofund.me/fa5990a5
but then they discovered that they could make a lot more money if you didn't find what you were searching for right away, and every time you tried again they could show you more ads instead, and search has deliberately gotten worse since then