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[NBA] there’s certainly some basketball being played

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    Germany have hit a ton of 3s this 3rd

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Not sure the Kerr game plan of "turn the ball over a lot" is helping the US

  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    I dont really like the second unit's Ant focused offense. Hes just not a good playmaker yet.

  • swaylowswaylow Registered User regular
    ESPN is reporting that Warner Bros (TNT) will match the $1.8B Amazon rights deal.

    On one hand, I don't have cable and would have had easier to access to Amazon streaming. On the other, it feels more natural that NBA is on TNT so I'm glad to see that continue, even if Chuck sticks to his retirement announcement.

  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Id love for the TNT stuff to continue to be on Max, but they were just saying it was preview for a bleacher report app thing

  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    swaylow wrote: »
    ESPN is reporting that Warner Bros (TNT) will match the $1.8B Amazon rights deal.

    On one hand, I don't have cable and would have had easier to access to Amazon streaming. On the other, it feels more natural that NBA is on TNT so I'm glad to see that continue, even if Chuck sticks to his retirement announcement.

    Amazon apparently was getting at least 3 games. Wonder if that means some will be on Max?

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Max being the name of that app is just so fucking stupid.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Yeah, might as well just get rid of one of the few names in media synonymous with quality (HBO). Who needs it?

  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited July 22
    Almost all of Embiid's shots have been jumpers. That can't be the best option.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    I think that no matter the final result, this Olympics experience will show that there is no roster the US can field that will be an "I Win" button. It just doesnt work like that anymore.

  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    I think that no matter the final result, this Olympics experience will show that there is no roster the US can field that will be an "I Win" button. It just doesnt work like that anymore.

    World has gotten A LOT better since 1992. Basketball gotten a lot more popular too.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    LeGM taking over the 4th

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    3 pt variance makes nothing in modern basketball an i win button.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    edited July 22
    Yeah, it also just goes to show how diminishing the returns are on the types of skills the US brings to the table.

    The NBA model of stardom is a kind of high usage, average to a bit above average efficiency scorer with low elasticity. Low elasticity meaning that its durable to different defensive schemes, and offense types. But it can be beat by scorers with high efficiency in elastic situations, if those situations can be maximized, which these other teams tend to do.

    Also, not sure why Kerr told Lebron to just completely fuck up that dribble right there. Weird coaching move.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    I think that no matter the final result, this Olympics experience will show that there is no roster the US can field that will be an "I Win" button. It just doesnt work like that anymore.
    They should just play the warriors in the Olympics
    That would be autowin

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    I love how few interruptions the Olympic games have. NBA games have a ton of stoppages.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited July 22
    Did Luka complain as much as he does now when he was on real madrid
    It really seems like less of a thing watching these fiba players
    Even Bron seems like he bitches less in these games but I'm not sure if that's just cause they don't mean anything

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    Did Luka complain as much as he does now when he was on real madrid
    It really seems like less of a thing watching these fiba players
    Even Bron seems like he bitches less in these games but I'm not sure if that's just cause they don't mean anything

    Luka has always complained. It has been one of his biggest weaknesses for his entire career, alongside his lack of stamina and defensive effort.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    players complain in the nba because it works.

    if they didn't officiate players differently because they scream on drives from no contact or complain or flop, nobody would do it.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    It has not worked very well for Luka and that's why he gets criticized more than most players for it.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Booker hasn't gotten enough playing time for me to judge if he's complaining less though
    he's probably the #2 complainer on that roster after bron

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I haven't been watching, but as i understand it FIBA doesn't allow the players to talk to the refs as much, but the officiating is generally so much worse.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Watching FIBA basketball always makes me appreciate NBA refs a bit more. It can be so much worse.

    Its almost as though it's inherently a difficult job to do perfectly, and expecting refs to be 100% on calls is not all that different from expecting players to be 100% on free throws.

  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    Booker hasn't gotten enough playing time for me to judge if he's complaining less though
    he's probably the #2 complainer on that roster after bron

    Booker is like a robot out there, no emotion. Even Klay has shown more emotion lately. Booker had a nice and-1 in the 2nd half, barely showed a reaction. Cut to the bench, AD is HYPED. Such a huge contrast, haha.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Maybe they should adopt footballs new rule that went in effect at the Euros - only team captains are allowed to talk / complain to the ref.

  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    I think that between the production value, the quality of the analysis, and the interesting-ness of the content Michael MacKelvie is the current "Best YouTube Alive" in terms of basketball content. Who do ya'll think are the other contenders? I always am interested in new good ball Youtubers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdVEju0I-G0

  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Also, between JxmyHighRoller, Michael MacKelvie, Synthetic Sports . . . is it just my algo, or are a lot of the best YouTubers Blazers fans? Is there some alchemy created at the convergence of the Willammette and Columbia that makes people good at talking hoops online?

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    well i wouldn't know because jxmyhighroller is one of the worst basketball youtubers.

    dude is a fuckin' clown.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    I like jxmyhighroller. Specifically, I think he's at his best when he finds some weird obscure but interesting basketball story and tells it. Or, when he finds some cool statistical outlier as a player.

    Less so when he tries to do some kind of comprehensive statistical analysis. I think he is in over his head whenever he starts to go there.

    What do you dislike about him? Why's he a clown?

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    Also, between JxmyHighRoller, Michael MacKelvie, Synthetic Sports . . . is it just my algo, or are a lot of the best YouTubers Blazers fans? Is there some alchemy created at the convergence of the Willammette and Columbia that makes people good at talking hoops online?

    I think this is true through most of the better sports YouTube I've seen
    Some of the best channels are made by fans of teams that have decades of suffering in their history. I think it's something about the unrelenting despair that makes you try to find some sort of reason for it in the numbers to make sense of it all. Maybe as a coping mechanism, maybe to try to preserve what's left of their sanity

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Hahaha, Blazers don't have decades of suffering. They are an above average franchise. They've made the playoffs in probably like 70-75% of seasons they've been around. Sure, they aren't a glory franchise, but I still think that, historically, they've been better than most.

  • swaylowswaylow Registered User regular
    Latest and greatest on NBA media rights - apparently the NBA has decided it will not honor the WBD/TNT matching provision and is going to sign the contract with Amazon instead.

    NBA's position appears to be something about the matching provision not applying to a streaming-only deal so therefore WBD/TNT would have needed to match the NBC deal in order to be valid.

    I almost wonder if WBD knew the NBA would balk at allowing them to match the streaming deal portion and did it hoping to gain some further financial damage concessions in court to make the coming lawsuit go away.

  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    swaylow wrote: »
    Latest and greatest on NBA media rights - apparently the NBA has decided it will not honor the WBD/TNT matching provision and is going to sign the contract with Amazon instead.

    NBA's position appears to be something about the matching provision not applying to a streaming-only deal so therefore WBD/TNT would have needed to match the NBC deal in order to be valid.

    I almost wonder if WBD knew the NBA would balk at allowing them to match the streaming deal portion and did it hoping to gain some further financial damage concessions in court to make the coming lawsuit go away.

    to me, pretty expected they would reject it. They want that Amazon cash and reach.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    TelMarine wrote: »
    swaylow wrote: »
    Latest and greatest on NBA media rights - apparently the NBA has decided it will not honor the WBD/TNT matching provision and is going to sign the contract with Amazon instead.

    NBA's position appears to be something about the matching provision not applying to a streaming-only deal so therefore WBD/TNT would have needed to match the NBC deal in order to be valid.

    I almost wonder if WBD knew the NBA would balk at allowing them to match the streaming deal portion and did it hoping to gain some further financial damage concessions in court to make the coming lawsuit go away.

    to me, pretty expected they would reject it. They want that Amazon cash and reach.

    Inside the NBA next season is about to be legendary. Barkley's riffs about looking for a job towards the end of last season were good, but man, I'm expecting some epic trolling and rants. Gotta fully savor the last season. At least they started uploading segments of the show to youtube, but fuck it, just upload full episodes to youtube so people can fully enjoy the last season.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Semi-controversial opinion alert.

    I prefer the NBA to stack the Team USA squad with the biggest stars available, even if it leads to a less good team and a higher chance of losing than if they really built a Celtics-like squad of the best players available. The only reason I really care about the Olympics for basketball is because I want to see these All Star teams play together in a competitive environment. I like Steph throwing alley oops to Lebron. I like seeing AD come off the bench with Bam. I like the bit of tension of how these superstar guys fit (or don't) into a less role. If we just put together the best actual team that the US could field, it'd look a lot like a really good NBA team, and I already get to see those.

    If the US loses sometimes, well, ok. That just makes it all the more dramatic then. I'm not going to cry about that. I also don't hate to see the big time American NBA players get their ego checked a bit with losses to other countries.

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited July 26
    burbo wrote: »
    Semi-controversial opinion alert.

    I prefer the NBA to stack the Team USA squad with the biggest stars available, even if it leads to a less good team and a higher chance of losing than if they really built a Celtics-like squad of the best players available. The only reason I really care about the Olympics for basketball is because I want to see these All Star teams play together in a competitive environment. I like Steph throwing alley oops to Lebron. I like seeing AD come off the bench with Bam. I like the bit of tension of how these superstar guys fit (or don't) into a less role. If we just put together the best actual team that the US could field, it'd look a lot like a really good NBA team, and I already get to see those.

    If the US loses sometimes, well, ok. That just makes it all the more dramatic then. I'm not going to cry about that. I also don't hate to see the big time American NBA players get their ego checked a bit with losses to other countries.
    honestly its also pretty cool to see other countries grow their basketball programs to the point where canada has a legit superteam too and some other countries are getting close
    like France honestly should be doing much better than they are in pre-olympics competition given their talent on paper
    like in the next 5-10 years, i could see 2 or 3 other countries on their way to an NBA level starting 5, maybe not like 5 starting franchise players like we have but like 5 solid current NBA starters

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    Semi-controversial opinion alert.

    I prefer the NBA to stack the Team USA squad with the biggest stars available, even if it leads to a less good team and a higher chance of losing than if they really built a Celtics-like squad of the best players available. The only reason I really care about the Olympics for basketball is because I want to see these All Star teams play together in a competitive environment. I like Steph throwing alley oops to Lebron. I like seeing AD come off the bench with Bam. I like the bit of tension of how these superstar guys fit (or don't) into a less role. If we just put together the best actual team that the US could field, it'd look a lot like a really good NBA team, and I already get to see those.

    If the US loses sometimes, well, ok. That just makes it all the more dramatic then. I'm not going to cry about that. I also don't hate to see the big time American NBA players get their ego checked a bit with losses to other countries.

    that was why the FIBA team last year was a bit of a disaster. You had players who weren't even starters on their NBA teams.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Semi-controversial opinion alert.

    I prefer the NBA to stack the Team USA squad with the biggest stars available, even if it leads to a less good team and a higher chance of losing than if they really built a Celtics-like squad of the best players available. The only reason I really care about the Olympics for basketball is because I want to see these All Star teams play together in a competitive environment. I like Steph throwing alley oops to Lebron. I like seeing AD come off the bench with Bam. I like the bit of tension of how these superstar guys fit (or don't) into a less role. If we just put together the best actual team that the US could field, it'd look a lot like a really good NBA team, and I already get to see those.

    If the US loses sometimes, well, ok. That just makes it all the more dramatic then. I'm not going to cry about that. I also don't hate to see the big time American NBA players get their ego checked a bit with losses to other countries.
    honestly its also pretty cool to see other countries grow their basketball programs to the point where canada has a legit superteam too and some other countries are getting close
    like France honestly should be doing much better than they are in pre-olympics competition given their talent on paper
    like in the next 5-10 years, i could see 2 or 3 other countries on their way to an NBA level starting 5, maybe not like 5 starting franchise players like we have but like 5 solid current NBA starters

    imagine if all the European countries combined for one Euro team, it would be pretty formidable. At least the starting 5, which is like most of the All-NBA First Team.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited July 26
    Your Euro team would be too big and too slow but good luck doing anything inside the key with them
    you'd have like Giannis, Schroder, Gobert, Wemby, Jokic or something like that

    this is why embiid not going to france was probably a smart move
    like how are you going to win games with wemby, gobert and embiid all squished in the paint together

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    TelMarine wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Semi-controversial opinion alert.

    I prefer the NBA to stack the Team USA squad with the biggest stars available, even if it leads to a less good team and a higher chance of losing than if they really built a Celtics-like squad of the best players available. The only reason I really care about the Olympics for basketball is because I want to see these All Star teams play together in a competitive environment. I like Steph throwing alley oops to Lebron. I like seeing AD come off the bench with Bam. I like the bit of tension of how these superstar guys fit (or don't) into a less role. If we just put together the best actual team that the US could field, it'd look a lot like a really good NBA team, and I already get to see those.

    If the US loses sometimes, well, ok. That just makes it all the more dramatic then. I'm not going to cry about that. I also don't hate to see the big time American NBA players get their ego checked a bit with losses to other countries.
    honestly its also pretty cool to see other countries grow their basketball programs to the point where canada has a legit superteam too and some other countries are getting close
    like France honestly should be doing much better than they are in pre-olympics competition given their talent on paper
    like in the next 5-10 years, i could see 2 or 3 other countries on their way to an NBA level starting 5, maybe not like 5 starting franchise players like we have but like 5 solid current NBA starters

    imagine if all the European countries combined for one Euro team, it would be pretty formidable. At least the starting 5, which is like most of the All-NBA First Team.

    Off the top of my head I feel like the problem would, ironically enough, be defense. They'd also be tremendously big-heavy. Out of Jokic and Giannis, whom do you give more minutes? And if you need defense, do you put Rudy out there with them? Does Wemby get any play? What about good-but-not-All-NBA players like Markannen and Sabonis?

    For the life of me I can't think of any non-bigs other than Luka. I feel like there are a bunch of good guards who just play in Europe with names I can't remember.

    It would be incredibly interesting to see Jokic and Luka on the same team, though. I wonder if they'd even be able to coexist, or the best they could manage is "one for you, one for me".

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