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Blake T
Do you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
Do you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
Hi everyone my feel is that there is plenty of room for this discussion. But I think it would be good idea to lay out some common lanes and norms.
I have zero authority! So do probably you poster! And Geebs seems like he is really busy unfortunately so let’s respect that. Say what you think we need as a community, but also realise this thread isn’t going to change anything. If anything it’s our chance to crystallise our thoughts for the community right now.
Be as nice to people as reasonable. Obviously call out unfairness to people. But i think what this chat needs is some good honesty and introspection which I think we can all do so let’s all start with good faith I guess.
I have zero authority! So do probably you poster! And Geebs seems like he is really busy unfortunately so let’s respect that. Say what you think we need as a community, but also realise this thread isn’t going to change anything. If anything it’s our chance to crystallise our thoughts for the community right now.
Be as nice to people as reasonable. Obviously call out unfairness to people. But i think what this chat needs is some good honesty and introspection which I think we can all do so let’s all start with good faith I guess.
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Angel hair pasta is the hair of angels!
It's better than your regular spaghetti!
You g**se!
I for one think real angels would have thick hair
How much hair?
Nine
Nine thick stalks
I genuinely think it is problematic that people are trying to have a genuine conversation about problems with moderation and then the conversation is locked by the person that people named. There is like a clearly a conflict for fairness here.
Satans..... hints.....
I'm pretty sure eating any part of the angel is considered a sin, even the hair.
So, you know, enjoy your angel hair pasta... IN HELL!.
Also it's a double sin if you don't use every part of the angel, so you're probably going to double hell.
All I'd ask of people, and something I'm trying to practice every day, is to not assume the worst of someone's comment.
Which sauces do you think complement angel hair best
- Red sauce
- Brown sauce
- White sauce
- Mystery sauce
I read all 12 pages of that thread and audibly said "oh fuck off" when I saw who locked it.
That thread raised a good point I just never realized until it was pointed out.
SE++ doesn't seem to have a dedicated mod
Geebs knows there's an issue with the way things are. We've voiced our grievances as plainly and directly as possible, and it seems like his go to move is to wait until the anger smolders out and then move on with the status quo.
Nothing is going to change until our leadership is held to the same standard we hold ourselves. A fish rots from the head down.
Whippy is still here doing stuff behind the scenes, but doesn't post much and is clearly not getting involved in these discussions. I am not sure if she is intending to pass the torch and sail into the west after new mods are appointed or stick around though.
Congratulations on failing your attempt to not be cynical!
Oh this was my third draft, originally it was much more cynical then this.
Like all of this so far? 100% fixable, it'll cost nothing, take no time, let's go!
Yeah I mean
What else even needs to be said at this point
I'm frankly not even convinced that geebs' thread was worth posting
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I am doubtful this thread will have much benefit, but like... Geebs did promise an update and to be more open and responsive, it's not really that weird that people expected something in that direction, and Geebs very clearly isn't doing the Tube-style "this is an autocracy, I don't owe you shit" strategy.
Which is a way of saying Tube forced his style of community management to work through being active, very active. It wasn't something that will work with how geebs has handled things. At all.
Let's see if this works the way I think it does...
*Tightly closes eyes*
Anyone but me. Just definitely not me.
Chosen through lottery among the actively visiting users who have the default/no avatar.
Sorry this is your forum now.
*heats up branding iron*
First decree is there's no more GDSTs. Instead we'll do GDSSF and create a new subforum for every topic with their own moderating staff, their own chat thread, and their own rules.
I didn't get to post in the other thread but I definitely think the idea that threads are self moderated by people dogpiling on people is a terrible idea. A strong mod presence would be good for all the forums, though imo preferably not one that openly ridicules the community members. Ban or infract the jackasses, don't make a spectacle of it and shit up a thread.
And for the record, linguini. What you want for good spaghetti is thin linguini.
That was the point of the original thread. We want a mod for SE++ so we don't have to do that kind of shit to self-moderate when someone is being a vile person. It's not that we enjoy doing it, it's literally our only option when reports aren't doing anything or people are concerned about getting infracted for using the report button, which is a valid concern considering several people have spoken about that happening in the last several years.
There's nothing to be done if genuine constructive criticism about the forums is met with silence, empty apologies, or thread closings.
While I'd love to see this place improve, I'm starting to get more on board with the idea that besides riding out the last few years this place will have an active community before it's basically dead we'll just have to leave.
So basically hold on to your third space while you can, but don't be dependent on it, cause there's not the time, will, or manpower dedicated to this place to fix the various issues people have talked about.
Nuke the forums from orbit. I'll push the button myself.
Wait no I don't have anywhere else to go lol.
But I do hope at least in the interim they're discussing who will be added on to the moderating team.
If this was a real job for me I'd consider:
Laying out an action plan for remedying specific repeated community demands that are reasonable - rough timelines for mods are a start but I'd really aim for some long-term, state of the forum one year plan shit with milestones
Offering transparency with rough timelines for when folks can expect these changes, and seeking ways the community would consider transparency to be improved so as to give users input on what would help (which could help lower the temperature considerably)
Providing firm comments on what isn't changing with real, understandable reasons behind them, but also weighing in with the input offered when those are posted
Explaining what I'd do about the visible issues in the other thread with a certain moderator and whether or not there will be changes to moderation style and enforcement guidelines to reduce the hostility between in-groups
This isn't my job though, I just loiter here, so I'll say Angel Hair Pasta is really good in a rose sauce, especially if it is gonna get covered in fruitti di mare
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