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US [Election] of 2024 - Post Mortem
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I bring it up only because the one time I managed to convince someone to swap positions on gay marriage was just by saying, "It's a free country, if the government can tell people they need to be straight, they can tell people they need to be gay. Government shouldn't have that kind of power."
I'm gonna guess you also identify as an apache helicopter?
Find some and ask them I guess. They may not exactly tell the truth but at least you’ll be talking.
I think there is a lot of ignorance out there, but I think the time that we can say “well you’re obviously behaving irrationally” and just ignore it is pretty much gone.
i would like to hear explicitly what you think you’ll gain if democrats de-emphasize trans rights (even more).
what exactly is the value proposition you have in mind? you have one, surely. otherwise ons might suspect you are reacting out of your own discomfort around trans people.
i would like to hear explicitly what you think you’ll gain if democrats de-emphasize trans rights (even more).
what exactly is the value proposition you have in mind? you have one, surely. otherwise ons might suspect you are reacting out of your own discomfort around trans people.
It's cute you say this. But people are literally quitting the forum and nuking their post histories because posters here openly approve of stalking other posters off site and harassing them. So, maybe you should stop for a minute and think about why someone might mean that statement.
I had the same problem, and there's actually a solution!
You can tell the app to stop recommending posts from subs your aren't subscribed to.
I fully agree that having that "feature" on by default was intended to spread right-wing propaganda, and posts that appeared to be ridiculing right wing propaganda but really just increases the reach of the message.
This has to be one of the most pathetic posts I've ever seen.
Unless I am really not understanding what all happened at all -- the one person who did 'doxx' someone inasmuch as they called someone out on Reddit for things they posted here *was* banned. Then more recently the mods temp banned one person for suggesting that that was an undeserved ban, and that's it.
Isn't that it?
And is has no rub at all on what happened here today as far as I can tell.
No these chuds absolutely want the government enforcing societal norms. They just want the ones that empower them.
Another theory I have is that this election is fundamentally the Patriarchy lashing out. Trans folk are specifically targeted because if gender is a spectrum and changeable on an individual level that would mean that all the evil that men do to women is not in fact justified and the folk they abuse are justified and logistically capable of turning that abuse against their abusers.
Literally "the women I raped could turn into men and then I'm in a whole lot of trouble"
The chuds aren't the entirity of the voting base.
It absolutely does. Because people are openly defending the stalking. And saying the user shouldn't have been punished for it. And then complaining when people got hit for defending stalking other users. You are sticking your head in the sand if you don't see what people are doing.
Like, you are literally minimizing the stalking right now.
The 2008 electorate and the 2024 electorate are not the same and neither are the opponents. John McCain, for all of his many faults, told a racist supporter at one of his town halls to stop calling Obama Muslim because he wasn't. The GOP in 2024 is going to run the anti-trans shit regardless because that's the most vulnerable part of a larger group they hate.
Playing to the center on this failed and will continue to fail. If Democrats want a new generation of voters to respect them they need to show pride in supporting trans folk and take the same "we did it and it was awesome" attitude conservatives do except in this case it actually would be awesome.
I mean, let's not forget that the New Deal coalition was built on white supremacy, which led to the gaps in the New Deal that let minorities fall through into the cold, or how trying to fix those gaps was one of the things that kicked off the political realignment we're dealing with.
It's especially galling when there's no bloody evidence that trans rights had any real effect on this election.
This is the moment we decide on the character of this forum, and right now, we ain't doing so hot.
We're not the DNC, we not up for election. We can run this forum however we want without worrying about what Republicans think. I would hope that would mean we wouldn't have to start equiviquating on human rights.
Obama's opponent had nothing to do with. It was about the coalition he needed to pull together to win. Obama felt like it was beneficial to keep it on the downlow.
The singular person who defended the behavior was the one who ate a temp ban, okay? -- that line seems pretty well drawn and established now.
If you are indeed afraid please reach out to a mod with your fears. I don't want this to be a place of bullying.
Unless you're not actually afraid and just posted that to be a reactionary troll and don't really have a overarching debate goal here.
You could also just try to be honest instead of whatever you're doing with this intellectual swordfight that is happening in your head.
turnout was depressed on all sides. the time to be making a case for reelection was not the past 11 months. and despite all the talk about "buying power" or whatever the fuck increasing, biden did not meaningfully make people's lives better.
we all saw the massive boost to enthusiasm when biden stepped down. people wanted something different, just like they did when biden won in 2020. running towards trump was such an obviously losing play that those whom you should be looking at askance are democratic consultants and politicians who ran the campaign
get a hobby
So why not vote for the wrench that wants to fuck the gears? Or alternately, why bother showing up to keep those gears grinding to no perceived benefit?
That’s on top of the baseline comfortable racists and misogynists that get you 90% of the way to hell, of course.
Incrementalism can’t win as a message. People don’t live on that kind of timeline, and they don’t vote based on an algorithm. ‘It’ll get a little better’ will always lose to ‘everybody you like will get a solid gold house and everybody you hate will cry.’
I'd love to go over this issue with you, but I don't want to eat a temp ban for downplaying harassment, and I think you know that, which is why you're bringing up this subject.
It's also a good way to avoid the reason that ELM got backlash is because he was being transphobic, not for having differing opinions.
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