A lot of anime has trouble distinguishing a short adult from a teen
Yeah this is pretty much how it is for me. Anime character designers when told to make a short adult often, but not always, seem to default to making them a young teen
And when making a short teen they make them a pre teen instead a lot
I've always found it interesting when an anime decides to "age up" it's characters, either naturally or via time jump. Like we never really see Teen Goku for instance, he just peaces out and comes back more or less a young adult, despite Teen Gohan being like maybe the most iconic form of that character.
Sometimes they just give them wrinkles or dull their hair color, other times they actually look different. Usually elderly characters are designed as such, not designed as young faced anime protags then aged up.
This is something Satoshi Kon always did well, his characters felt like people and not caricatures
goblin slayer gives that wants to be berserk but doesn't quite get why berserk is good energy
Speaking of which, there is a show next season where the manga is absolutely in this vein and gets AAAALLLLL the fucking content warnings. Ubel Blatt. No idea if the adaptation will contain the multiple and repeated depictions of sexual assault and grotesque dismembering that the manga has since the promos don't seem to be pushing that angle and are very generic revenge fantasy, but be warned.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
Ubel Blatt was a good read when I went through the manga. Decent story and characters, definitely in the vein of Berserk though. It started in 2004 and I think underwent a similar evolution over time, because while it does start as a revenge story it shifts away from that as the main focus and more towards clearing away the sins of the previous generation for the sake of a future. I wouldn't even say Koinzell is the protagonist, that'd be the kid trying to surpass him.
When I think about shows that wanna emulate Berserk, I feel like they miss the point. Berserk might have a ton of gore and other really dark subject matter, but it's about the characters and the journey in this crazy dense and well built world. They just see the violence and stuff and say, that's badass I wanna make a guy like Guts, but Guts is a tragic character not a shonen protag. It's less battle of the week and more, Greek tragedy.
I've got it, shows like that are like the American adaptation of Old Boy, you missed the point big time and just made a misery train
I mean, the one "to be fair" is how berserk started before it pivoted - you need to last long enough to have the foundation to HAVE that characterization.
When I think about shows that wanna emulate Berserk, I feel like they miss the point. Berserk might have a ton of gore and other really dark subject matter, but it's about the characters and the journey in this crazy dense and well built world. They just see the violence and stuff and say, that's badass I wanna make a guy like Guts, but Guts is a tragic character not a shonen protag. It's less battle of the week and more, Greek tragedy.
I've got it, shows like that are like the American adaptation of Old Boy, you missed the point big time and just made a misery train
Ubel Blatt is the good kind of Berserk emulation then. It's a fucked up world but the focus is on the characters making their way through it, rather than just shock for shock's sake, with Koinzell portrayed not as someone to emulate but a sad person who is seemingly incapable of letting go of their hatred and allowing it to eat them alive. The quest to kill the heroes who betrayed him isn't something noble or even lauded, if anything it would make the world actively worse because a few of those heroes have since regretted their betrayal and worked to atone by making people's lives better, and the people traveling with him are trying to persuade him away from that path one way or the other.
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Goblin Slayer has become just nice b-movie schlock just killing fantasy mooks. It doesn't want to be anything more than that. You cannot trust goblins, destroy them all. I appreciate that.
To be more explicit, and putting this under spoilers but it's all just stuff in the first like 30 pages of the manga.
The first page has gruesome violence, by the fourth page, it's a few pages of an evil ogre-like dude raping prisoners, cut away to intro the protagonist and he's rescued after jumping off a cliff by his childhood friend, and he immediately grabs her, strips her, and starts assaulting her. About ten pages later, the aforementioned antagonist shows up, rips her clothes off and threatens to rape her.
Like, Ubel Blatt may indeed be all those other mentioned things, but the source manga's first chapter at the very least (again, no idea about the adaptation) is a pretty big plate of dead dove, do not eat.
To be more explicit, and putting this under spoilers but it's all just stuff in the first like 30 pages of the manga.
The first page has gruesome violence, by the fourth page, it's a few pages of an evil ogre-like dude raping prisoners, cut away to intro the protagonist and he's rescued after jumping off a cliff by his childhood friend, and he immediately grabs her, strips her, and starts assaulting her. About ten pages later, the aforementioned antagonist shows up, rips her clothes off and threatens to rape her.
Like, Ubel Blatt may indeed be all those other mentioned things, but the source manga's first chapter at the very least (again, no idea about the adaptation) is a pretty big plate of dead dove, do not eat.
I'd like to watch a modern cyberpunk anime. Besides Cyberpunk 2077 and GitS season3, is there anything that's must-see?
Demon Lord 2099 maybe? Tribe Nine a little bit. Vivy, Megalobox, Night Head 2041, No Guns Life, these are all the ones I've at least heard of before, after searching.
I get the sense that when people want cyberpunk, they want an aesthetic that seems futuristic (if ruined and dystopic). Stampede's shithole planet probably doesn't qualify, despite the tech level being very high. (Also I think the original series was wildly more enjoyable, but that's neither here nor there).
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Yeah, transhumanism is a common theme but not a requirement for cyberpunk.
As for newer shows to check out, Akudama Drive was pretty good, Metallic Rouge was less good but it has one of the best "shit is about to go down" songs outside of bleach. I kinda fell off No Gun's Life and never checked out the second season but it's a cool setting.
Thinking on it, a more sad one would be Plastic Memories which is a romance about androids that live alongside humans in the future, a human and android pair that work as social workers fostering human-robot relations. And the robot girl looks like Hatsune Miku, of course
I think there's a 90% chance they completely ignore the original ending and cliffhanger plot hook stuff
it never took its own plot very seriously
A doujinshi by Hiroyuki Imaishi called Cemetery Hill: Geekboy Homecoming came out years ago (around 2017) with a resolution:
Brief collects all of Panty's pieces, tries multiple times to restore her while targeted by Corset before succeeding, Panty defeats Corset, Alpha Omega Nova shows up from nowhere and Panty leaves with him. Also Stocking is trapped underneath the church somehow.
Whether this will be the case in the new show IDK.
Dennou Coil 100% counts as a sort of lite cyberpunk imo. sorta like pre-cyberpunk, as GITS is post-cyberpunk
There's definitely a cyberpunk plot or two going on in that setting off in Tokyo with college kids and corpo-rats and bleeding edge tech.
But this is off in the suburbs and the kids are just playing cyberpunk equivalent to pokemon go.
They aren't cutting edge, they're like using some hacks on the kiddy toy version of a deck.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Dennou Coil 100% counts as a sort of lite cyberpunk imo. sorta like pre-cyberpunk, as GITS is post-cyberpunk
There's definitely a cyberpunk plot or two going on in that setting off in Tokyo with college kids and corpo-rats and bleeding edge tech.
But this is off in the suburbs and the kids are just playing cyberpunk equivalent to pokemon go.
They aren't cutting edge, they're like using some hacks on the kiddy toy version of a deck.
yeah pretty much. though there is also the implication that their suburban area is used as a testing ground for cutting-edge new tech inside the network, but it's like... black-site equivalent type stuff, rather than stuff that affects everyone
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I dunno mate, she just looks like a middle/high schooler anime design to me
Yeah this is pretty much how it is for me. Anime character designers when told to make a short adult often, but not always, seem to default to making them a young teen
And when making a short teen they make them a pre teen instead a lot
Sometimes they just give them wrinkles or dull their hair color, other times they actually look different. Usually elderly characters are designed as such, not designed as young faced anime protags then aged up.
This is something Satoshi Kon always did well, his characters felt like people and not caricatures
Speaking of which, there is a show next season where the manga is absolutely in this vein and gets AAAALLLLL the fucking content warnings. Ubel Blatt. No idea if the adaptation will contain the multiple and repeated depictions of sexual assault and grotesque dismembering that the manga has since the promos don't seem to be pushing that angle and are very generic revenge fantasy, but be warned.
Maybe it's the hair. It looks too.. detailed for a lot of child characters, maybe? The style looks like it was done by an adult and not a teen.
I dunno, this is a weird one.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970666737/
I've got it, shows like that are like the American adaptation of Old Boy, you missed the point big time and just made a misery train
Ubel Blatt is the good kind of Berserk emulation then. It's a fucked up world but the focus is on the characters making their way through it, rather than just shock for shock's sake, with Koinzell portrayed not as someone to emulate but a sad person who is seemingly incapable of letting go of their hatred and allowing it to eat them alive. The quest to kill the heroes who betrayed him isn't something noble or even lauded, if anything it would make the world actively worse because a few of those heroes have since regretted their betrayal and worked to atone by making people's lives better, and the people traveling with him are trying to persuade him away from that path one way or the other.
Like, Ubel Blatt may indeed be all those other mentioned things, but the source manga's first chapter at the very least (again, no idea about the adaptation) is a pretty big plate of dead dove, do not eat.
Re: that spoiler
Bubblegum Crisis is as classic as it gets... but modern, uh, I can't think of much.
Also Watanabe has his 'magnum opus' anime Lazarus coming soon
I've seen it. I saw that it's getting a Blu-ray release in January.
2008-ish?
Blame! is post apocalyptic cyberpunk.
Serial Experiments Lain? is pretty cyberpunk, but this is really stretching the definition of modern.
Lain is a cyber mystery, not cyberpunk. The show would have needed more robot limbs to qualify as cyberpunk.
Demon Lord 2099 maybe? Tribe Nine a little bit. Vivy, Megalobox, Night Head 2041, No Guns Life, these are all the ones I've at least heard of before, after searching.
It's not without brain hacks. Though is working in a less pulpy space.
It's had one for years now, it's just another re-release.
Also, Lain is totally cyberpunk.
I get the sense that when people want cyberpunk, they want an aesthetic that seems futuristic (if ruined and dystopic). Stampede's shithole planet probably doesn't qualify, despite the tech level being very high. (Also I think the original series was wildly more enjoyable, but that's neither here nor there).
As for newer shows to check out, Akudama Drive was pretty good, Metallic Rouge was less good but it has one of the best "shit is about to go down" songs outside of bleach. I kinda fell off No Gun's Life and never checked out the second season but it's a cool setting.
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https://i.imgur.com/6JN0roY.mp4
Context does not improve this scene.
cowpunk
Eh.... it has spooky ghost dinosaurs in it.
Cyberpunk typically doesn't have spooky ghost dinosaurs.
it's more Cyber Paleohoror.
Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon?
A doujinshi by Hiroyuki Imaishi called Cemetery Hill: Geekboy Homecoming came out years ago (around 2017) with a resolution:
Brief collects all of Panty's pieces, tries multiple times to restore her while targeted by Corset before succeeding, Panty defeats Corset, Alpha Omega Nova shows up from nowhere and Panty leaves with him. Also Stocking is trapped underneath the church somehow.
Whether this will be the case in the new show IDK.
There's definitely a cyberpunk plot or two going on in that setting off in Tokyo with college kids and corpo-rats and bleeding edge tech.
But this is off in the suburbs and the kids are just playing cyberpunk equivalent to pokemon go.
They aren't cutting edge, they're like using some hacks on the kiddy toy version of a deck.
yeah pretty much. though there is also the implication that their suburban area is used as a testing ground for cutting-edge new tech inside the network, but it's like... black-site equivalent type stuff, rather than stuff that affects everyone