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Hm, I'm definitely going to have to look into that. I also need to get updated kernels working, I've been stuck on the older ones ever since they shifted the SATA stuff around and I can't get it to work for some reason
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Switching to Linux is something I've wanted to do for a long time, and, I believe, this thread has finally convinced me to give it a shot. I have a question about dual booting though. I currently have two partitions on my 120 gig hard drive. Could I create a third partition using Partition Magic and install Linux on that? I'm worried about losing pre existing data, and I don't have an external drive to back up my data with. Also, would I set booting priority via linux or via the bios? Thanks.
Yup, just use partition magic to shrink one of your existing partitions, then create either an ext3 or ext2 partition as well as a Linux swap partition that's at least double the size of your installed RAM (mine is 750Mb).
Most people also create a partition for '/home' (think 'My Documents') but that's purely optional.
I'd also recommend using PCLinuxOS if it's the first time you've used Linux, the installer is really simple, it has a great control center, and binary graphics drivers, w32codecs, and libdvdcss are all available through Synaptic.
So burning a Kubuntu install disk while in Windows is being an exercise in frustration. Please tell me that once I go through most of my remaining 28 CDs and manage to get one that works, that Linux is less wasteful with my disks?
Windows' burning is certainly limited, but it's the one feature I've never had a problem with. Just to be sure (a lot of very smart people don't know this), you know there's a difference between the way to burn a .iso, and the way you burn files, right?
I know there is a difference, but ever burn program you may use has a slightly different way to handle it.
Having a disk with an iso on it doesn't do one much good.
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Switching to Linux is something I've wanted to do for a long time, and, I believe, this thread has finally convinced me to give it a shot. I have a question about dual booting though. I currently have two partitions on my 120 gig hard drive. Could I create a third partition using Partition Magic and install Linux on that? I'm worried about losing pre existing data, and I don't have an external drive to back up my data with. Also, would I set booting priority via linux or via the bios? Thanks.
Yup, just use partition magic to shrink one of your existing partitions, then create either an ext3 or ext2 partition as well as a Linux swap partition that's at least double the size of your installed RAM (mine is 750Mb).
Most people also create a partition for '/home' (think 'My Documents') but that's purely optional.
I'd also recommend using PCLinuxOS if it's the first time you've used Linux, the installer is really simple, it has a great control center, and binary graphics drivers, w32codecs, and libdvdcss are all available through Synaptic.
Sorry to to repeat what's already been said but I've never partitioned anything and I want to make sure I get this straight. I can use a partitioning program (I don't want to spend money on one, are there any good free ones?) to create an ext3 or ext2 partition, AND a Linux swap partition that's double the size of my RAM (so that'd be 4 gigs for me then since I have 2 gigs of RAM?)? After that I just install Ubuntu or whatever distro I like?
I hate asking these questions because they're probably retarded and everyone's going to rolleyes at me and call me a nub but I don't care, I just want to know. :P
Switching to Linux is something I've wanted to do for a long time, and, I believe, this thread has finally convinced me to give it a shot. I have a question about dual booting though. I currently have two partitions on my 120 gig hard drive. Could I create a third partition using Partition Magic and install Linux on that? I'm worried about losing pre existing data, and I don't have an external drive to back up my data with. Also, would I set booting priority via linux or via the bios? Thanks.
Yup, just use partition magic to shrink one of your existing partitions, then create either an ext3 or ext2 partition as well as a Linux swap partition that's at least double the size of your installed RAM (mine is 750Mb).
Most people also create a partition for '/home' (think 'My Documents') but that's purely optional.
I'd also recommend using PCLinuxOS if it's the first time you've used Linux, the installer is really simple, it has a great control center, and binary graphics drivers, w32codecs, and libdvdcss are all available through Synaptic.
Sorry to to repeat what's already been said but I've never partitioned anything and I want to make sure I get this straight. I can use a partitioning program (I don't want to spend money on one, are there any good free ones?) to create an ext3 or ext2 partition, AND a Linux swap partition that's double the size of my RAM (so that'd be 4 gigs for me then since I have 2 gigs of RAM?)? After that I just install Ubuntu or whatever distro I like?
I hate asking these questions because they're probably retarded and everyone's going to rolleyes at me and call me a nub but I don't care, I just want to know. :P
Hrmm....
I coulda swore my buddy said he was able to re-partition unused drive space with just the Ubuntu Live-CD. Now, I don't know if this was un-partitioned, or if he had already partitioned it as NTFS (a Windows partition).
You can try GParted; but, I still don't know if that will roll back a NTFS partition.
Regardless, if you're going to be trying this, and you REALLY don't want to lose that data. I highly suggest finding some method of backing it up.
I checked out the Kubuntu live CD. KDE isn't like I remember it, I've decided against it.
Why? Personally, I hate having all the backend stuff loaded, so I run fluxbox. But there's a ton of KDE programs I use like ktorrent and amarok, so it's not really a big deal.
How does the KDE/GNOME program thing work? If I installed Amarok, a KDE program, would it not work in GNOME?
Several years ago, it used to occasionally be kind of a pain, but KDE and Gnome started to work together on standardizing some things, so at this point Amarok (and pretty much any other KDE program) will work just fine in Gnome, it'll just have a slightly heavier footprint than it would if you were on KDE, since it has to load some KDE libraries. Same thing with running Gnome programs in KDE.
I run Amarok in Gnome all the time, and the only KDE-related issue I've had is that it keeps trying to launch Kmail (which I haven't installed) when it crashes.
On wireless - this was a pain in the ass up until Ubuntu released Feisty Fawn (for me anyway). Everything seems smooth as silk now.
On windows environments - grab Beryl, Emerald, Beryl Manager, and Beryl Settings Manager. I was having some huge issues getting Beryl setup via conf files and shit, then I realized the Beryl Manager takes care of it all pretty easily.
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On wireless - this was a pain in the ass up until Ubuntu released Feisty Fawn (for me anyway). Everything seems smooth as silk now.
On windows environments - grab Beryl, Emerald, Beryl Manager, and Beryl Settings Manager. I was having some huge issues getting Beryl setup via conf files and shit, then I realized the Beryl Manager takes care of it all pretty easily.
Emerald is a theme manager for your windows. There aren't a whole lot of screenshots to wow you with, it just gives you more options / makes everything a little sleeker imo.
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edited June 2007
Still working on the whole ISO-toDVD issue here...
I have a disk in hand that will bring up the kubuntu splash screen when I put it in the drive, but then it errors out.
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Still working on the whole ISO-toDVD issue here...
I have a disk in hand that will bring up the kubuntu splash screen when I put it in the drive, but then it errors out.
Go here, and type in your computer's make and model.
With how many posts are there, it's likely someone has run in to that problem. It sounds like a hardware conflict - there's probably a boot option to fix it.
Sorry to to repeat what's already been said but I've never partitioned anything and I want to make sure I get this straight. I can use a partitioning program (I don't want to spend money on one, are there any good free ones?) to create an ext3 or ext2 partition, AND a Linux swap partition that's double the size of my RAM (so that'd be 4 gigs for me then since I have 2 gigs of RAM?)? After that I just install Ubuntu or whatever distro I like?
I hate asking these questions because they're probably retarded and everyone's going to rolleyes at me and call me a nub but I don't care, I just want to know. :P
You can try GParted; but, I still don't know if that will roll back a NTFS partition.
Regardless, if you're going to be trying this, and you REALLY don't want to lose that data. I highly suggest finding some method of backing it up.
Gparted will 'roll back'/shrink NTFS partitions, but ALWAYS do a backup first, just to be safe.
Still working on the whole ISO-toDVD issue here...
I have a disk in hand that will bring up the kubuntu splash screen when I put it in the drive, but then it errors out.
Go here, and type in your computer's make and model.
With how many posts are there, it's likely someone has run in to that problem. It sounds like a hardware conflict - there's probably a boot option to fix it.
Typing in ASUS AMD doesn't seem like a productive use of time... Thanks for the effort though.
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...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Still working on the whole ISO-toDVD issue here...
I have a disk in hand that will bring up the kubuntu splash screen when I put it in the drive, but then it errors out.
Go here, and type in your computer's make and model.
With how many posts are there, it's likely someone has run in to that problem. It sounds like a hardware conflict - there's probably a boot option to fix it.
Typing in ASUS AMD doesn't seem like a productive use of time... Thanks for the effort though.
I figured it was OEM built since they're the ones most people have trouble with. Try searching for the MB's model.
I'm running an X800 on Ubuntu, and WoW and Half-life run "just fine." (FPS drops, but so what?)
It took a bundle of configging and whatnot to get them to work, but they're fine now.
The PRIORITY: Dwarf Fortress - and it runs fine out of the box.
Irony, however - any "work" I want to do on this computer is in Flash, and you can BARELY run Flash through Wine. Any other Flash editors you might use to replace the crappy flash interface simply do not run acceptably. It's ug-tastical. So I game in Ubuntu and work in Windows - what a world.
Well, I partitioned the harddrive correctly (I think), and now I'm typing this while running the Ubuntu live cd. Now I'm going to try installing it, heh, wish me luck. :P
edit: Hell yeah, it worked and I'm now posting from Ubuntu! Awesome! Now to fiddle with it and fuck something up.
Amarok did the trick, thanks to all that suggested it. At first it wouldn't play FLAC files but after I installed the correct lib dependencies it worked great. 8-)
Does anyone here use fluxbox?
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thorgotthere is special providencein the fall of a sparrowRegistered Userregular
edited June 2007
Beryl is really cool, but somehow it got set to use 12 workspaces. How do I set it back to 6?
Amarok did the trick, thanks to all that suggested it. At first it wouldn't play FLAC files but after I installed the correct lib dependencies it worked great. 8-)
Does anyone here use fluxbox?
Fuck yes. I love it, it's the only reason I'm not using Beryl.
It's super super super lightweight, and is awesome because you can get your menu to come up just right clicking on the screen, anywhere. Beryl doesn't do that yet
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
edited June 2007
Wow, that was pretty damned painless compared to... fuck, compared to everything.
My last Linux attempt was gentoo, and that will easily overload you with all the configuration you need to do. This one just worked.
It was as easy as Windows so far, and much less aggravating.
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Amarok did the trick, thanks to all that suggested it. At first it wouldn't play FLAC files but after I installed the correct lib dependencies it worked great. 8-)
Does anyone here use fluxbox?
Fuck yes. I love it, it's the only reason I'm not using Beryl.
It's super super super lightweight, and is awesome because you can get your menu to come up just right clicking on the screen, anywhere. Beryl doesn't do that yet
If you like the minimal interface and the right-click menu, but want Beryl to work too, you might try Xfce-4. That's what I use on my desktop compy. By default you get two taskbars, but you can turn one off and put the other wherever you want, or stick it in a corner, tell it to autohide and use the right-click menu exclusively like in *box.
I loves me some Fluxbox on my pokey little laptop, though. It remains my favorite window manager.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
edited June 2007
OK, as a total linux noob, I will take this nice and slow. From a fresh Ubuntu install, what is the one single "must have" thing I should get, and if you would be so kind as to provide instructions?...
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edit - Oh: OpenOffice is usually one of the first things that goes on any new system of mine, once I've got my basics set up. I haven't used anything else for quite a long time.
OK, as a total linux noob, I will take this nice and slow. From a fresh Ubuntu install, what is the one single "must have" thing I should get, and if you would be so kind as to provide instructions?...
Nothing really, what's nice is that almost everything you need or want is already there. Just start doing things you do in windows, (goto favorite websites, try to play music or video) and try to use whats installed. Ask questions once you hit a roadblock or want to do something. Don't worry about beryl or other interfaces for now. They're pretty, but not required.
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edited June 2007
I think my project for tomorrow is going to be to get Folding at Home working again.
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Most people also create a partition for '/home' (think 'My Documents') but that's purely optional.
I'd also recommend using PCLinuxOS if it's the first time you've used Linux, the installer is really simple, it has a great control center, and binary graphics drivers, w32codecs, and libdvdcss are all available through Synaptic.
I know there is a difference, but ever burn program you may use has a slightly different way to handle it.
Having a disk with an iso on it doesn't do one much good.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Sorry to to repeat what's already been said but I've never partitioned anything and I want to make sure I get this straight. I can use a partitioning program (I don't want to spend money on one, are there any good free ones?) to create an ext3 or ext2 partition, AND a Linux swap partition that's double the size of my RAM (so that'd be 4 gigs for me then since I have 2 gigs of RAM?)? After that I just install Ubuntu or whatever distro I like?
I hate asking these questions because they're probably retarded and everyone's going to rolleyes at me and call me a nub but I don't care, I just want to know. :P
I used this guide:
http://www.matthewjmiller.net/howtos/dual-boot-linux-and-windows/
It worked like a charm. I'm up and running on Ubuntu now.
Hrmm....
I coulda swore my buddy said he was able to re-partition unused drive space with just the Ubuntu Live-CD. Now, I don't know if this was un-partitioned, or if he had already partitioned it as NTFS (a Windows partition).
You can try GParted; but, I still don't know if that will roll back a NTFS partition.
Regardless, if you're going to be trying this, and you REALLY don't want to lose that data. I highly suggest finding some method of backing it up.
I think I'll try this one out, thanks for the link.
Why? Personally, I hate having all the backend stuff loaded, so I run fluxbox. But there's a ton of KDE programs I use like ktorrent and amarok, so it's not really a big deal.
I run Amarok in Gnome all the time, and the only KDE-related issue I've had is that it keeps trying to launch Kmail (which I haven't installed) when it crashes.
On windows environments - grab Beryl, Emerald, Beryl Manager, and Beryl Settings Manager. I was having some huge issues getting Beryl setup via conf files and shit, then I realized the Beryl Manager takes care of it all pretty easily.
What do they look like?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws
Emerald is a theme manager for your windows. There aren't a whole lot of screenshots to wow you with, it just gives you more options / makes everything a little sleeker imo.
I have a disk in hand that will bring up the kubuntu splash screen when I put it in the drive, but then it errors out.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Go here, and type in your computer's make and model.
With how many posts are there, it's likely someone has run in to that problem. It sounds like a hardware conflict - there's probably a boot option to fix it.
There's also Ranish Partition Manager, which is a bit harder to use, but just as powerful.
Typing in ASUS AMD doesn't seem like a productive use of time... Thanks for the effort though.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
I figured it was OEM built since they're the ones most people have trouble with. Try searching for the MB's model.
It took a bundle of configging and whatnot to get them to work, but they're fine now.
The PRIORITY: Dwarf Fortress - and it runs fine out of the box.
Irony, however - any "work" I want to do on this computer is in Flash, and you can BARELY run Flash through Wine. Any other Flash editors you might use to replace the crappy flash interface simply do not run acceptably. It's ug-tastical. So I game in Ubuntu and work in Windows - what a world.
Aptitude is a front-end for APT, not apt-get. apt-get is just a front-end interface to the libapt package management library, same as Aptitude.
edit: Hell yeah, it worked and I'm now posting from Ubuntu! Awesome! Now to fiddle with it and fuck something up.
Does anyone here use fluxbox?
What, is it using 2 workspaces per face of the cube?
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It's a decagon, I think.
Fuck yes. I love it, it's the only reason I'm not using Beryl.
It's super super super lightweight, and is awesome because you can get your menu to come up just right clicking on the screen, anywhere. Beryl doesn't do that yet
My last Linux attempt was gentoo, and that will easily overload you with all the configuration you need to do. This one just worked.
It was as easy as Windows so far, and much less aggravating.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
If you like the minimal interface and the right-click menu, but want Beryl to work too, you might try Xfce-4. That's what I use on my desktop compy. By default you get two taskbars, but you can turn one off and put the other wherever you want, or stick it in a corner, tell it to autohide and use the right-click menu exclusively like in *box.
I loves me some Fluxbox on my pokey little laptop, though. It remains my favorite window manager.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
edit - Oh: OpenOffice is usually one of the first things that goes on any new system of mine, once I've got my basics set up. I haven't used anything else for quite a long time.
edit 2 - except, like, vi and stuff.
Nothing really, what's nice is that almost everything you need or want is already there. Just start doing things you do in windows, (goto favorite websites, try to play music or video) and try to use whats installed. Ask questions once you hit a roadblock or want to do something. Don't worry about beryl or other interfaces for now. They're pretty, but not required.
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The ubuntu forums have a diverse number of guides for things such as this.
Thanks
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KDE? PCLinuxOS, great performance and minimal fuss
Gnome? Ubuntu, lots of packages and support
...and @Stormy, I think you can also have the menu pop up anywhere on the desktop with KDE iirc