Dammit! Suikoden was my first RPG ever and I loved the hell out of it, Suikoden II was even better. Now I have to replay them both
Is it worth getting a PS2 just to play Suiko 3, 4 and 5? Might as well get a PS3 though I guess. Do any of the PS2 Suikos have anything that resembles cooking battles? God those were fun!
Finished the 2nd major battle, and Im currently wandering the area before going to the prison.
I spent 30 minutes just doing the dice game to earn money for a full armor setup for my party after getting the armorer guy.
Now I just need to get enough money to get my guys from level 9-12 on their weapons.
I do like playing this on the PS3. Saves ALOT of time in the whole resetting the game after a major loss in the dice game. Just hit the PS button, quit game, then restart game. No more having to get up and hit the fucking reset button. :D God damn I am lazy.
I'm almost tempted to go back and play Suikoden I/II again, but then I remember all the little bits of it that annoyed me, and I think better of it.
I am having fun coming up with final party ideas, though. Although I only get two free spaces in my Suikoden I ideal party, since Flik and Viktor force their way in and there's something wrong with me and I can't get rid of Sarah.
I used Kai, Tengaar and Luc. Luc with a Cyclone Rune is super-useful for the last boss, and Kai was a mainstay through the whole game (motherfucker is good with his stick), and Tengaar just because.
It's surprising how many characters are actually useful in the first one.
I used Kimberly one playthrough -- the chick you recruit to get into the prison. Not a crazy high attack (though not terrible), but her TEC is amazing. I stuck a Killer Rune on her and she was critting almost every turn she took.
Man, reading this thread makes me want to fire up Suikoden 2 again.
Maybe i'll try a speedrun.
I'd like to do a run where I get all 108 stars but I'm too stubborn to consult a FAQ. I have pages and pages in a notebook that list how I got characters or where I found items.
Which reminds me that when I was in 10th grade i had some free time at school so I sat down and made a list of characters from SUikoden I in the order that you get them complete with where and how you get them. I got to over 70+ before I finally stopped. That was sad.
So I decided to start a speedrun on Suikoden 2; don't know if i will ever finish it but i'll like to try.
Being a Tool Assisted Speedrun enthusiast i'll finish the game abusing every glitch and time saver that I find.
I will aim only for the 108 stars, getting the window and sound sets, the recipes, the seeds, the parts for the sculpture and everything else that is collectable is not part of the run.
However, it's not perfect since it doesn't tell you about anything you have to do early in the game to recruit someone later.
Minor spoiler tips for characters I missed on my first playthrough:
Murad: Murad tries to save civilians from the war. Every time there's a strategic battle involving a town, Murad will show up to treat the wounded for a short while afterwards. Use these opportunities to try to convince him that he can save more lives helping you then treating wounded. After you ask enough he'll give in and join you.
Oboro: The Detective. At one point you hire him as part of the plot, but if you just go on with the plot he wont want to join you later. Instead, immediately after you hire him, go into a tavern in rainwall to trigger a cutscene, then choose to help Oboro with the investigation. If you impress him (make the right choices) he'll be willing to join you later. Hint: Don't ask about the mouse.
Eresh: Eresh can be recruited normally, and doing so unlocks a very good dungeon to grind for sp and money. However, if you don't recruit her, you can recruit a secret character near the end of the game. You can get the 108 stars ending either way, but the secret character has a greater involvement in the plot.
This thread convinced me to replay Suikoden V. This is only furthering my decision that it is my favorite PS2 game.
Spoilers regarding the characters I'm using/intend to use, though theres nothing major anyway.
This game just has so many good choices. Right now I'm using Kyle, Zegai, Nikea, and Lorelai. Lorelai will probably soon be dropped for some form of magician (maybe Bernadette or Killey, since Viki can't use a Magic Absorb Rune), and then Zegai will probably go for a better attacker, maybe Richard. It's very difficult to actually settle on anything.
Oh man, I've never even attempted to get all 108 stars without using a guide for at least some reference points. The idea of even attempting it boggles my mind. Some of those dudes in Suiko 1 and 2 at least were obscure as hell. (I'm looking at you Clive in Suiko 1)
Thanks to Suikoden 1 i have all the returning characters with extra stats, so started the game, owned Rowd's little group and jumped to the waterfall.
Flashback. Viktor, Flik HI.
Moved some crates, cleaned the floor and got to Ryube to get some flour.
First save point says:
9min 53secs
I don't know if there's a way to skip the flashback scene.
Also, i strip Gengen and Tuta and sell everything to upgrade Pillars's(that's the name i give to the Hero) weapon.
Edit: Is it okay for me to update this thread with the info of my attempted speedrun?
I think it might be considered offtopic. =/
Bleh, maybe i should post a topic on SDA.
Hmm, so I have a Suiko 1 save that's at the 10 hour point. I didn't load it up, but I'm debating whether to beat the end of Suiko 1 first before I play 2 again? What do you get for having a Suik 1 save?
Recruit the main character from Suiko 1. He's pretty fucking awesome to have in your party, and the quest to get him is really neat. Also there are like some stat bonus for characters who were in Suiko 1 or something.
Really, I recommend beating Suiko 1 again first, just because it's far from a particularly long RPG and it is also completely awesome.
Hmm. My guys are around level 46 in Suik 1. Anyone know where I should be about, assuming I didn't powerlevel anywhere? I assume I'd be very near the end.
Hmm. My guys are around level 46 in Suik 1. Anyone know where I should be about, assuming I didn't powerlevel anywhere? I assume I'd be very near the end.
Well crap. I'm trying to find a gameshark code to put McDohl into my party in S2. I think I must have used one before, because in my last playthrough McDohl was named mcDohl, but I always name my S1 hero as Ryan (fyi, there is a glitch in McDohl's name in S2. The first letter of his name is the same as the first letter you named him in S1 -- so if you named him Jim, his name in S2 would be JcDohl).
Man he was a pain in the ass. I missed him twice before I looked up a FAQ and played through a third time. IIRC you only had a short space between two events, and you had to bring an letter from someone too. The next time I saw him in S2 I hated his guts immediately before I even knew what he was up to.
Escaped with Jowy, went to Ryube to pick up Eilie, Rina and Bolgan.
Sold Bolgan's Jinzo and bought armor.
Equipped all the scrolls and went to the mountain.
Ran from everything and owned the boss in 2 rounds.
Got Mukumuku, Nanami and Zamza.
I'm about to glitch my way to Matilda and make the first half of the game a joke.
Hey guys, sorry for no updates in the past few days, truth is I've been pretty busy. Most of the time I'm not at work is spent with my family, because they're just starting to be on vacation and they're always "HEY LET'S GO OUT TO EAT TONIGHT", and the rest of the time I'm too tired because I always gotta get up early because of work and argh.
Though I have a 3-day weekend starting tomorrow (I work from Tuesdays to Sundays, and tomorrow is Quebec's national holiday), so I should be able to make SOME progress. Though if there's a thing that tends to make families go "HEY LET'S SPEND SOME TIME TOGETHER", it's national holidays.
Just a thought, and I wanted to shoot it at some of the Suiko fans here:
Would you like the game if you always had forced parties of different variety? I think that instead of making most of the playable 108 characters useless is worse compared to making each one useful. I liked this feature in S1, like when you were forced to have Krin and Kasumi in your party in Moravia, or Tai Ho and Yam Koo to get Anji, Kanak, and Leonardo. I think, if I remember right, S2 and S4 didn't have much in the way of forced parties. I'm not sure about S3 or S5, but I think they're probably on the same route too. I dunno, it's just a lot of fun to have manage with weaker characters, making future boss battles a lot harder than they would be otherwise, or dungeons more difficult.
I think that should be a feature in S6, even if it may illicit many complaints.
Glitched to Matilda and recruited Humprhey and Futch. They both are at endgame levels (57).
Fighthing the monsters and boss at Mount Rakutei got my party to 36.
Bought expensive armor for the Hero and Nanami, collected the Dragon Armor on Greenhill-Rockaxe pass and got and attached the Fury runes + elemental runes at Muse City.
Recruited Zamza, Rikimaru, Millie, Tsai, Kinninson, Shiro, Apple, Hana.
Got the Bright Shield rune and im about to face the boss of the Sindar Ruins.
Save point at Sindar Ruins says:
2'07''04
Thanks to the Humprhey, Futch sidequest everysingle boss dies in 1 or 2 turns from here until Luca Blight.
You know, while attempting my speed run sometimes I start reading instead of pressing X like a madman, then realize I have wasted like 5-10 minutes reading about how awesome the runes are or whatnot.
Also when prompted to make a decision I try to select them all to see which one is the quickest and I get rewarded with extra dialogue I didn't knew it was there.
Grah. HOW obvious does Suikoden II make it when one of the characters dies in a major battle? 'cause Flik just went down saying "I wasn't supposed to die here!", which I'm at a loss to interpret.
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Grah. HOW obvious does Suikoden II make it when one of the characters dies in a major battle? 'cause Flik just went down saying "I wasn't supposed to die here!", which I'm at a loss to interpret.
It should say something like "Flik has fallen in battle" which means he is dead.
Although I think Flik can't die, cause that would make the Story not work.
Grah. HOW obvious does Suikoden II make it when one of the characters dies in a major battle? 'cause Flik just went down saying "I wasn't supposed to die here!", which I'm at a loss to interpret.
It should say something like "Flik has fallen in battle" which means he is dead.
Although I think Flik can't die, cause that would make the Story not work.
Alright. Also, if I see anyone talking after they've fallen, is that clear indication that they're not dead? Are dead characters removed from the story as well as gameplay?
I'd like to take a moment and gawk all over the sprite animations in the game. Viktor is drinking wine with Anabelle right now, and there's a bunch of really nice animations that were made just for that scene that will probably never be used again, and the game is FULL of stuff like that.
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I also plan on buying III and V this summer. Fuck I missed Suikoden 1, so awesome.
Is it worth getting a PS2 just to play Suiko 3, 4 and 5? Might as well get a PS3 though I guess. Do any of the PS2 Suikos have anything that resembles cooking battles? God those were fun!
Ahh, good memories. I'm trying out different parties, too!
I spent 30 minutes just doing the dice game to earn money for a full armor setup for my party after getting the armorer guy.
Now I just need to get enough money to get my guys from level 9-12 on their weapons.
I do like playing this on the PS3. Saves ALOT of time in the whole resetting the game after a major loss in the dice game. Just hit the PS button, quit game, then restart game. No more having to get up and hit the fucking reset button.
I am having fun coming up with final party ideas, though. Although I only get two free spaces in my Suikoden I ideal party, since Flik and Viktor force their way in and there's something wrong with me and I can't get rid of Sarah.
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I used Kimberly one playthrough -- the chick you recruit to get into the prison. Not a crazy high attack (though not terrible), but her TEC is amazing. I stuck a Killer Rune on her and she was critting almost every turn she took.
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Maybe i'll try a speedrun.
I am a freaking nerd.
I'd like to do a run where I get all 108 stars but I'm too stubborn to consult a FAQ. I have pages and pages in a notebook that list how I got characters or where I found items.
Which reminds me that when I was in 10th grade i had some free time at school so I sat down and made a list of characters from SUikoden I in the order that you get them complete with where and how you get them. I got to over 70+ before I finally stopped. That was sad.
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Being a Tool Assisted Speedrun enthusiast i'll finish the game abusing every glitch and time saver that I find.
I will aim only for the 108 stars, getting the window and sound sets, the recipes, the seeds, the parts for the sculpture and everything else that is collectable is not part of the run.
Let's see how it goes.
Here's the closest I can find, it's a list of all the stars in the order you can recruit them:
http://www.suikosource.com/system/games/sod.php?pf=S5
However, it's not perfect since it doesn't tell you about anything you have to do early in the game to recruit someone later.
Minor spoiler tips for characters I missed on my first playthrough:
Oboro: The Detective. At one point you hire him as part of the plot, but if you just go on with the plot he wont want to join you later. Instead, immediately after you hire him, go into a tavern in rainwall to trigger a cutscene, then choose to help Oboro with the investigation. If you impress him (make the right choices) he'll be willing to join you later. Hint: Don't ask about the mouse.
Eresh: Eresh can be recruited normally, and doing so unlocks a very good dungeon to grind for sp and money. However, if you don't recruit her, you can recruit a secret character near the end of the game. You can get the 108 stars ending either way, but the secret character has a greater involvement in the plot.
Spoilers regarding the characters I'm using/intend to use, though theres nothing major anyway.
Edit: Whoops wrong C character
Flashback. Viktor, Flik HI.
Moved some crates, cleaned the floor and got to Ryube to get some flour.
9min 53secs
I don't know if there's a way to skip the flashback scene.
Also, i strip Gengen and Tuta and sell everything to upgrade Pillars's(that's the name i give to the Hero) weapon.
Edit: Is it okay for me to update this thread with the info of my attempted speedrun?
I think it might be considered offtopic. =/
Bleh, maybe i should post a topic on SDA.
Really, I recommend beating Suiko 1 again first, just because it's far from a particularly long RPG and it is also completely awesome.
You'll be 59-60 at the very end.
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That was always one of my favorite storyline stretches in Suikoden I. Definetely fleshed out Viktor's character alot, and he was one of my favorites.
I decided to call it a night after getting back to the HQ from that one.
I think Im at about 90ish on the stars right now, but I havent gone on a star run since that event, so I know 3 or 4 more are available now.
Clive
Leon Silverburg
Pesmerga
Crowley(best character ever!)
Sold Bolgan's Jinzo and bought armor.
Equipped all the scrolls and went to the mountain.
Ran from everything and owned the boss in 2 rounds.
Got Mukumuku, Nanami and Zamza.
I'm about to glitch my way to Matilda and make the first half of the game a joke.
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Though I have a 3-day weekend starting tomorrow (I work from Tuesdays to Sundays, and tomorrow is Quebec's national holiday), so I should be able to make SOME progress. Though if there's a thing that tends to make families go "HEY LET'S SPEND SOME TIME TOGETHER", it's national holidays.
Would you like the game if you always had forced parties of different variety? I think that instead of making most of the playable 108 characters useless is worse compared to making each one useful. I liked this feature in S1, like when you were forced to have Krin and Kasumi in your party in Moravia, or Tai Ho and Yam Koo to get Anji, Kanak, and Leonardo. I think, if I remember right, S2 and S4 didn't have much in the way of forced parties. I'm not sure about S3 or S5, but I think they're probably on the same route too. I dunno, it's just a lot of fun to have manage with weaker characters, making future boss battles a lot harder than they would be otherwise, or dungeons more difficult.
I think that should be a feature in S6, even if it may illicit many complaints.
Fighthing the monsters and boss at Mount Rakutei got my party to 36.
Bought expensive armor for the Hero and Nanami, collected the Dragon Armor on Greenhill-Rockaxe pass and got and attached the Fury runes + elemental runes at Muse City.
Recruited Zamza, Rikimaru, Millie, Tsai, Kinninson, Shiro, Apple, Hana.
Got the Bright Shield rune and im about to face the boss of the Sindar Ruins.
Save point at Sindar Ruins says:
2'07''04
Thanks to the Humprhey, Futch sidequest everysingle boss dies in 1 or 2 turns from here until Luca Blight.
Where was I. Oh yeah, I'm to go talk to Viktor in Muse.
Also when prompted to make a decision I try to select them all to see which one is the quickest and I get rewarded with extra dialogue I didn't knew it was there.
Awesome.
It should say something like "Flik has fallen in battle" which means he is dead.
Although I think Flik can't die, cause that would make the Story not work.
Alright. Also, if I see anyone talking after they've fallen, is that clear indication that they're not dead? Are dead characters removed from the story as well as gameplay?
Bravo, Konami.
and regarding your spoiler: nice plot twist, eh?
If a character is important to the plot he or she cannot die in a war battle.
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