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First dates

noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
edited June 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
So I'm wanting to ask this girl out, but before doing so, I was wondering if anyone could recommend some activities that are good first dates. I already hung out with her a couple of times, so we know each other and such, but I want to make this different from the other times we hung out.

And in the case she says yes, any advice I should keep in mind?

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  • GigatonGigaton Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Well it kinda depends on what kind of girl she is, do you have any details of her interests?

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  • OrestesOrestes Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Well from my (limited) knowledge, movies are a bad place to start. Dinner, I heard, is a pretty decent place to start. I, for a first date, I usually take them to something that they haven't done for a while, or at all. Bowling, go-karts, golfing, etc, although I don't recommend go-karts; there wasn't enough time to talk.

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  • AbelsAbels Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Science centre?

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Movies... some people hate them... but this is what I do:

    Me: You want to come over and watch a movie
    Her: Sure

    Then, when she comes over, I just start talking and hanging out with her... if it gets all weird or awkward, then that is the time to put in the movie.

    Also make sure it's a fun movie that you don't have to pay attenuation to.. that way, you can talk during - but go back to it if the converstation dies.

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  • HelysianHelysian Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    small coffee shop is what i will do 90% of the time

    after getting to know that person i will do things more interactive with them that i know we both would enjoy

    but yea, get some coffee or tea, chat it up, maybe go for a stroll downtown (on offhour times, never busy times) or through a park, then just be a little spontaneous from there. I mean yea, bowling and golfing sounds great and all, but to me its like you are interacting with someone 1 on 1 that you don't know too well, and it just will create some awkward moments if you aren't adept at keeping the pace up

    ...as for what to keep in mind...some of these maybe obvious, but i'm not sure what level you're at:
    confidence is key
    you don't have to give her 2 feet of personal space at all times (don't be afraid of being physically flirtatious)
    most the time you have to play things by ear (if she responds poorly to something, dont do it again, especially about the flirtatious thing mentioned above)
    make sure you aren't the only one talking, but at the same time don't let silence hang around
    big thing is listen to her
    be polite and a gentleman, but don't be a doormat
    keep in mind girls are human to and make mistakes
    oh yea...about making conversation...make sure to ask open ended questions
    and take things like a grain of salt...its not the end of the world if things don't go perfectly

    hope this helps

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Tense is good... sexual tense.

    Like if your playing around and 'accidentally' look her into the eyes a bit to long...not creepy long, but sexy long.

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    i usually go mid level restaurant with a few bottles of wine if you are 21. had a first date last weekend and the restaurant might have been way more than mid level. 1. that hurt my pocketbook bad. 2. it might have creeped her out. I did it by accident i didnt know it was that expensive being a new restaurant in town. or i just creeped her out.

    returned calls = 0 at this point. so my advice on first dates apparently sucks 5 balls.

    too bad she was a looker.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Rhino wrote: »
    Tense is good... sexual tense.

    Like if your playing around and 'accidentally' look her into the eyes a bit to long...not creepy long, but sexy long.

    staring at people is one of the least attractive things to do

    the one time that i have gone on a formal first date we had some coffee and talked about cartoons, so in my experience informal is better

    you don't want to get all SERIOUS immediately

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Rhino wrote: »
    Tense is good... sexual tense.

    Like if your playing around and 'accidentally' look her into the eyes a bit to long...not creepy long, but sexy long.

    staring at people is one of the least attractive things to do


    eye contact isn't unattractive. people who won't look you in the eyes are shifty cretins. you do it with your friends why wouldn't you do it with a date?

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I have all kinds of suggestions for first dates.

    -See a garage band
    -Go to the local burger joint
    -Stroll through an amatuer car show
    -Go-Kart Racing
    -Waterpark

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Sonos wrote: »
    Rhino wrote: »
    Tense is good... sexual tense.

    Like if your playing around and 'accidentally' look her into the eyes a bit to long...not creepy long, but sexy long.

    staring at people is one of the least attractive things to do


    eye contact isn't unattractive. people who won't look you in the eyes are shifty cretins. you do it with your friends why wouldn't you do it with a date?

    i don't stare at people period

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  • DekuStickDekuStick Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sonos wrote: »
    Rhino wrote: »
    Tense is good... sexual tense.

    Like if your playing around and 'accidentally' look her into the eyes a bit to long...not creepy long, but sexy long.

    staring at people is one of the least attractive things to do


    eye contact isn't unattractive. people who won't look you in the eyes are shifty cretins. you do it with your friends why wouldn't you do it with a date?

    i don't stare at people period

    I don't think he means a stare he means a shared eye contact that holds for roughly 3 seconds tops. The eyes are the windows to the soul man.

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007

    eye contact isn't unattractive. people who won't look you in the eyes are shifty cretins. you do it with your friends why wouldn't you do it with a date?

    i don't stare at people period[/QUOTE]

    well sure a blank, soulless doll-like stare is creepy but if someone is talking and you are casually looking someone in the eye it's preferred to someone staring at the ground or the top of their heads. fairly universal truth there.

    ive been using that term too much lately.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    DekuStick wrote: »
    Sonos wrote: »
    Rhino wrote: »
    Tense is good... sexual tense.

    Like if your playing around and 'accidentally' look her into the eyes a bit to long...not creepy long, but sexy long.

    staring at people is one of the least attractive things to do


    eye contact isn't unattractive. people who won't look you in the eyes are shifty cretins. you do it with your friends why wouldn't you do it with a date?

    i don't stare at people period

    I don't think he means a stare he means a shared eye contact that holds for roughly 3 seconds tops. The eyes are the windows to the soul man.

    Yes, unfortunately the line between "You have a beautiful soul" eye contact and "I WILL CONSUME YOUR SOUL" staring is a very fine line indeed.

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Ruckus wrote: »

    Yes, unfortunately the line between "You have a beautiful soul" eye contact and "I WILL CONSUME YOUR SOUL" staring is a very fine line indeed.

    I was taught to stare deeply into someone's eyes while white-knuckling the table I am sitting at. If a fork is involved grip it prongs up and leave you mouth slightly ajar.

    I've never had a second date.

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  • ZetaZeta Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Just ask her to coffee, have some conversation, get to know what shes into etc, then when you go on a date for real next time you'll have a much better idea on what to do than whatever we could offer you.

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  • SoonerManSoonerMan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Whoever took the person to the upscale restaurant; I would've pointed it out and made a joke. "What the hell, this isn't Denny's!"

    My first date was taking my current to a leadership conference we were both attending (she just wanted to ride with me) and then one of our boys' basketball games. We enjoyed it thoroughly.

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    SoonerMan wrote: »
    Whoever took the person to the upscale restaurant; I would've pointed it out and made a joke. "What the hell, this isn't Denny's!"

    My first date was taking my current to a leadership conference we were both attending (she just wanted to ride with me) and then one of our boys' basketball games. We enjoyed it thoroughly.

    it was me and its too late. the deed is done. had a nice time, i asked for a second date at the date and she agreed and now i've called twice with no answer. left a message once. i am giving it one more shot next week and then i give up.

    not to hijack your thread OP but i'll take advice too if someone wants to give it for my last call next week.

    for the record my 2nd date was going to be ultra casual: cookout at my brother's house (lots of fun easy going peeps) and a 90s garage band i used to listen to that night at a great club.

    :^:

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  • SoonerManSoonerMan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    For some reason I think that taking her to your brothers might make her feel a little uneasy. You feel relaxed, sure, and you want her to as well; but these are people she doesn't even know.

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  • drinkinstoutdrinkinstout Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I would try to go as informal as possible - keep it fun (this is what I always hear anyway)

    my first date success is piss poor at best but I've never taken my own advice... most of my "first dates" have been dinner and/or movies and they just didn't go anywhere. :( The one time i made the first "date" a trip to lazer tag, it went much better.

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    SoonerMan wrote: »
    For some reason I think that taking her to your brothers might make her feel a little uneasy. You feel relaxed, sure, and you want her to as well; but these are people she doesn't even know.


    i was thinking that but my brother is actually a lot cooler than me and his friends are closer to her age (she's a good deal younger than me). him and his friends have the ability to make people comfortable around them so i thought it might work. not that i'm a social misfit but he has a large group of pals that i am also friends with and everyone generally has a really good time. think heavy beer drinking and bbq ribs not "so this is your new girl? children soon?" type of stuff.

    i was thinking of asking her if she'd like to go there not just a "I DEEM OUR DATE SHALL BE AT MINE BROTHER'S ABODE. I SHALL NOW PRESENT YOU TO THINE NEW FAMILY" sort of thing. if nothing else the band always works.

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  • reddogreddog The Mountain Brooklyn, NYRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I find that meeting up for coffee on a first date is the best. If you guys click, you can figure it out from there. Walk around town, window shop, I also find bookshops tend to be a great way to get to know a girl. Walk around...talk about interests. Then wander off yourself but keep her in sight, making eye contact and stuff...if she digs ya, you'll know.

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  • witch_iewitch_ie Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I actually think that since you already kind of know this girl, a movie and dinner might not be a bad thing. It's traditional and gives you guys additional common ground for conversation during dinner. Just make sure that the movie ends earlier enough so that whatever restaurant you go to is still open. Also, you could bring her a rose at the beginning of the date and maybe hold hands during the movie to make it different from the other times you've hung out.

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  • SoonerManSoonerMan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Rose seems a bit extreme for me. A guy a new was going to give a good friend of mine a dozen roses for Valentine's day, and everyone knew he was talking to several people at the time. I strongly advised him against this, because I though it was creepy as hell since they weren't even together.

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    to clarify, it should be "normal" eye contact, but just half a second or second to much, to create sexual tense; not to freak them out. I don't know how to explain it, but if you do it right, they usually smile and look down... if you do it wrong, they usually call the cops. :P

    Basically, you'll know if your doing it right or wrong by whatever reaction you get. If they pepper spray you, then yes; your doing it wrong.

    I'm joking, but seriously, it's like Flirting 101; it's hard to flirt without having 'good eyes'... by good eyes, I mean how you use them.

    Also in acting there is a phrase "smile with your eyes"... to convey a smile, but with just your eyes. If you can do that while talking or listening to a girl; then your golden.


    About the upscale restaurant, I wont' do that for the first date. Keep it light and laid back as possible.. if your doing all that stuff the first date, it's going to put a lot of pressure on both you and her... but if your hanging out at Denny's, just talking and having fun; then no pressure and easier to get to know each other.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Thanks to everyone that's responded!

    Anyways, because of our different work/school schedules, I was thinking of asking her out for breakfast, and then heading out to Adventure's Landing, which is a go kart/golf/laser gun place. Is breakfast too weird to ask out for?

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  • Evil GummyEvil Gummy Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I personally thought one of the funnest dates a guy took me on, was when he took me strawberry picking at a farm. Was very neat, nice weather made it great, and we got to eat strawberries and laugh at some of the funny shaped ones. (Some had tumors!)

    Something you could do to make it more fun and a little intimate depending, is take them back to your place (or hers) and make a pie or some such with them! Boom, cooking together in the kitchen, getting messy together, lots of opportunities for giggles.

    Otherwise, eh, I guess coffee is fine. :p

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    noir_blood wrote: »
    Thanks to everyone that's responded!

    Anyways, because of our different work/school schedules, I was thinking of asking her out for breakfast, and then heading out to Adventure's Landing, which is a go kart/golf/laser gun place. Is breakfast too weird to ask out for?

    That sounds good... breakfast isn't weird, as long as you 'pitch' it right. Just have fun about it. Actually, I would rather do breakfast on a first date then dinner, because breakfast just seems more laid back, relaxed and easy going.... where as dinner you have all the 'pressure' of a "date".
    I personally thought one of the funnest dates a guy took me on, was when he took me strawberry picking at a farm.

    oh!! I'm totally stealing that idea. I don't know if they got strawberry fields around there, but I know where a corn field is.

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  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Rhino wrote: »
    noir_blood wrote: »
    Thanks to everyone that's responded!

    Anyways, because of our different work/school schedules, I was thinking of asking her out for breakfast, and then heading out to Adventure's Landing, which is a go kart/golf/laser gun place. Is breakfast too weird to ask out for?

    That sounds good... breakfast isn't weird, as long as you 'pitch' it right. Just have fun about it. Actually, I would rather do breakfast on a first date then dinner, because breakfast just seems more laid back, relaxed and easy going.... where as dinner you have all the 'pressure' of a "date".
    I personally thought one of the funnest dates a guy took me on, was when he took me strawberry picking at a farm.
    oh!! I'm totally stealing that idea. I don't know if they got strawberry fields around there, but I know where a corn field is.

    Corn... isn't the same. You'd need to pick another fruit (pun intended). Picking corn and husking it is more work and people don't just pick and eat corn. Also not very sensual.

    With strawberries or other fruits (save probably tomatoes) you can pick a basket and eat a few as you go, or wait and just give them a rinse when you're done then eat some, or both.

    That said, fleshy fruits are probably best, and by this I mean avoid apples, pears, oranges and the like. Stick to peaches, strawberries, plums and that brood.

    edit: Also corn fields tend to be creepy places for the most part. I mean all that corn taller than you and so close together in narrow rows.... *shudder*

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  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    ROCKMONEY'S DEN OF DATING DO'S AND DONT'S

    First dates are all about strategic timing. You don't ever want a first date to drag.
    That being said I aim for a multi-location date with varied activities and at least one backup activity that can be subbed in on the fly.

    Stage 1: Pick her up! Makes it feel more of a date. adds more suspense for her than meeting each other someplace, also shows initiative. Exceptions are when she insists on meeting, don't push. She may be embarrassed or shy about where she lives, especially on a first date, pushing makes her MORE uncomfortable.

    Stage 2: Location 1 for activity 1 should be within 20 minutes MAX driving time from the pickup point. Obvious exceptions are when she lives in the middle of no where. Long driving times aren't always bad on a date, but in themselves don't ADD anything and have potential to make things DRAG, not a good way to START a first date.

    Stage 3: Activity 1 should be exciting/interesting. A lot of us on here aren't big on outdoor activities which is fine, Goofy fun little activities that are semi-original work best here. See: bus riding from 40 days 40 nights, or above for fruit picking. You can sub a lot of things here. go see a comedian, or to a small concert/performance. Wine tasting. Jet ski.

    Stage 4: Time for some sort of food consumption. Picnics are GREAT. They show you cared enough about this date to plan ahead and put in prep time. A wide variety of foods, but light on the meat usually. Food enough for 3-4 people even though there is only 2. Multiple drink choices, kept cold in the cooler (with some of the food most likey) 2 bottles of water, a bottle of 2 kinds of soda, a bottle of tea. If she chooses anything other than water, you take one of the waters. If she chooses water, take a soda. Don't pack a dessert, if desired after the picnic have a nearby location planned that you can stop in at grab a slice of pie or scoop of ice cream, or BOTH. This adds another location to your date.

    NOTE: Locations are important because they make it seem like you did a lot and used your time well, helps prevent the "drag" feeling, just be conscience of the downtime between locations. It's not too anal to google map all the locations out a couple days before the date to streamline it.

    Cooking in at your place is also a good idea. Have supplies for 2 seperate meals stocked and either cook together or let her snoop around your apartment looking at photos, your books/comic collection or picking out an after dinner movie to watch from your collection, have her set the table if she isn't help cooking. Don't TELL her to do it, but make reference to being a team, or earning her keep (jokingly).

    Stage 5: Ending the date is an option here if continuing it would make it drag / bore her / be awkward. Otherwise if you cooked in, you might snuggle and relax after a long day of bustling about town and watch a funny/action dvd. AVOID slow/long movies (LotR, pure chick flicks) and real "thinker" movies that lack action.
    Seemingly random (but secretively preplanned) activities are also good here. Such as the getting messing baking dessert (possibly using the fruit you picked earlier in the day, pies/cobbler AHOY!) or the pseudo-spontaneous "pillow/sheet fort", which can also be coupled with cheesy but fun music (flight of the valkyries) or the above suggested scary movie.

    Stage 6: The is no stage 6. If you're not golden by now then we've lost.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited June 2007
    Rockmonkey, why haven't you written the first great American novel?

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    did I just read the word 'pillow fort'?

    w t f

    are these first dates at a 13 year old birthday party or are we talking legal tender ages here?
    hannah montana season one dvd a good fun/action movie?

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  • Legoman05Legoman05 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sonos wrote: »
    did I just read the word 'pillow fort'?

    w t f

    are these first dates at a 13 year old birthday party or are we talking legal tender ages here?
    hannah montana season one dvd a good fun/action movie?

    Many people feel like they are forced to be too grown up. Having fun like this, even seeing movies meant for kids in the theater, is a good way to just have fun and break down some of the stiffness and tension.

    "When I was a child, I read fairy tales under the covers. Now, I read them in the park. When I became an adult, I put off childish things, including the fear of appearing childish, and the need to act very grown up." -C.S. Lewis

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  • JPArbiterJPArbiter Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    dinner, walks in the park, art gallery, or any other activity where you two are talking to each other instead of watching stuff (like movies, lectures etc)

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Legoman05 wrote: »
    Sonos wrote: »
    did I just read the word 'pillow fort'?

    w t f

    are these first dates at a 13 year old birthday party or are we talking legal tender ages here?
    hannah montana season one dvd a good fun/action movie?

    Many people feel like they are forced to be too grown up. Having fun like this, even seeing movies meant for kids in the theater, is a good way to just have fun and break down some of the stiffness and tension.

    "When I was a child, I read fairy tales under the covers. Now, I read them in the park. When I became an adult, I put off childish things, including the fear of appearing childish, and the need to act very grown up." -C.S. Lewis


    i wasnt implying that i DONT WATCH Hannah Montana I was just sayin' is all ;>.>

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  • SoonerManSoonerMan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I think the whole, "ZOMG PILLOW FORTS IS FOR TEH KIDDIES!" is a bit much man. Do you want to seem like a stiff to her? I think a sense of humor is vital for a relationship, and a simple pillow fort would 1) be so fucking awesome 2) show you're laid back.

    Now my, sorry for hijacking, but what are the rules for double dates when the friends you are taking are blind dates and its just you, your buddy, the girl you're taking, and the girl's friend?

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    SoonerMan wrote: »
    I think the whole, "ZOMG PILLOW FORTS IS FOR TEH KIDDIES!" is a bit much man. Do you want to seem like a stiff to her? I think a sense of humor is vital for a relationship, and a simple pillow fort would 1) be so fucking awesome 2) show you're laid back.

    Now my, sorry for hijacking, but what are the rules for double dates when the friends you are taking are blind dates and its just you, your buddy, the girl you're taking, and the girl's friend?

    i would imagine that would make it 10 times easier on all interested parties. Minus the pillow fort. With a pillow fort you may end up in an embarassing 4 way with your best friend.

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    rockmonkey wrote: »
    Rhino wrote: »
    noir_blood wrote: »
    Thanks to everyone that's responded!

    Anyways, because of our different work/school schedules, I was thinking of asking her out for breakfast, and then heading out to Adventure's Landing, which is a go kart/golf/laser gun place. Is breakfast too weird to ask out for?

    That sounds good... breakfast isn't weird, as long as you 'pitch' it right. Just have fun about it. Actually, I would rather do breakfast on a first date then dinner, because breakfast just seems more laid back, relaxed and easy going.... where as dinner you have all the 'pressure' of a "date".
    I personally thought one of the funnest dates a guy took me on, was when he took me strawberry picking at a farm.
    oh!! I'm totally stealing that idea. I don't know if they got strawberry fields around there, but I know where a corn field is.

    Corn... isn't the same. You'd need to pick another fruit (pun intended). Picking corn and husking it is more work and people don't just pick and eat corn. Also not very sensual.

    With strawberries or other fruits (save probably tomatoes) you can pick a basket and eat a few as you go, or wait and just give them a rinse when you're done then eat some, or both.

    That said, fleshy fruits are probably best, and by this I mean avoid apples, pears, oranges and the like. Stick to peaches, strawberries, plums and that brood.

    edit: Also corn fields tend to be creepy places for the most part. I mean all that corn taller than you and so close together in narrow rows.... *shudder*

    You're right, corn just isn't the same.

    I think apples can be a good date fruit, so to speak. I've had a good time during the autumn harvest, mucking around the orchard on a date. The trees are generally low to the ground and often times there are tractor rides to the apple specific fields that go all day. There was also a cider mill.

    The smells and the textures and the autumn colors; it was all an outstanding thing.

    But, I am a bit sentimental.

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    all this corn talk has gotten me totally horny for all of you. lets shuck off these clothes and start blind dating.

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  • padmeamandapadmeamanda Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    My recommendation: Go to a park with some nice paths/trails... take her for a walk so you can get some time to get to know each other and just chat. Don't try and hold her hand, that's weird for a first date. When you're bored with walking, throw a frisbee or ball around or do something similar. Simple interactive activities are great for first dates. Taking her out to eat is good too, but do something active as well.

    Dinner and a movie is not the best idea for first dates... there's no opportunity to get to know eachother.

    You need chit-chat time to get to know eachother... let her talk, ask questions, but don't just stare in awe, be a good listener and tell her your stories as well. She will probably want to talk a lot but she will also want to hear from you. :)

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