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What do I do now?

ranger48ranger48 Registered User new member
edited June 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
First time poster, long time reader. Recently I did something I should not have done. I did something I never thought I would be capable of doing.

I slept with my friend's wife.

I don't really feel all that guilty about it. We connected with each other. I understand how shitty a thing I've done, and I do wish I could take it back so that things weren't so difficult. Lately I've been distancing myself to try and break our feelings apart, but she doesn't seem to be able to stop thinking about me. We never told him what happened. I wanted to, but she doesn't want to hurt him.

What do I do now?

(I would appreciate if the posts were kept to suggestions. I don't need to be told I'm a piece of shit yet again.)

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Just don't tell.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Don't do it again. Rest is up to her.

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  • turpentyineturpentyine Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Don't tell. What he doesn't know wont hurt him. How close of friends were you? Maybe you should distance yourself away from him or even stop being friends with him all together.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    First off, get tested. If the test comes out clear, personally, I wouldn't say shit, because other than clearing your conscience, it's not going to do anything but fuck up his life.

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    how long have you known him? How old are you?

    Was it just one time or a few times? How is she taking this? Is she "in love" with you, or just looking for some fucking?

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  • ranger48ranger48 Registered User new member
    edited June 2007
    We're both clean.

    We're all pretty good friends. I wouldn't say best friends, but they're some of my better friends.

    It was just once. So far. I've been distancing myself completely (haven't seen her for 3 weeks). We still chat for brief periods online. I just don't know how to act.

    Seems the consensus is to not tell. I suppose the only reason I do want to tell is to get whatever guilt I do feel out. Not fair to him, though, is it... Just feels like I'm rationalizing...

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Should you really not tell?

    I imagine his relationship rests on the belief and commitment to "We are both being faithful". I'm not sure I'd want to live a lie, and I don't know if he would either...

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    ranger48 wrote: »
    We're both clean.

    We're all pretty good friends. I wouldn't say best friends, but they're some of my better friends.

    It was just once. So far. I've been distancing myself completely (haven't seen her for 3 weeks). We still chat for brief periods online. I just don't know how to act.

    Seems the consensus is to not tell. I suppose the only reason I do want to tell is to get whatever guilt I do feel out. Not fair to him, though, is it... Just feels like I'm rationalizing...
    Never say anything in E-mail or IM about it. Ever.

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  • ranger48ranger48 Registered User new member
    edited June 2007
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Should you really not tell?

    I imagine his relationship rests on the belief and commitment to "We are both being faithful". I'm not sure I'd want to live a lie, and I don't know if he would either...

    This is why I wanted to. But I can't say anything without her consent, right? I have a lot less to lose than she.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Just let her know you will keep your mouth shut, ask her to do the same, this is not the end of the world, but it could be if he finds out.

    And don't feel guilty, life is too short.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    ranger48 wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Should you really not tell?

    I imagine his relationship rests on the belief and commitment to "We are both being faithful". I'm not sure I'd want to live a lie, and I don't know if he would either...

    This is why I wanted to. But I can't say anything without her consent, right? I have a lot less to lose than she.

    I don't follow this line of logic, "consent" and all that.

    As I see it, what she wants has nothing to do with it.

    It depends on what you want, and what he would want.

    As I said, I wouldn't want to live a lie, even if it were never, ever to happen again. He might be different, and you know him better than any of us do. If you do tell him, then you'll probably lose him as a friend (but it is my intuition that you'll be doing the right thing).

    On the other hand, if you prefer to keep him/them as a friends, then I'd keep quiet about it, cover your tracks and avoid contact with the wife in his absence.

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! DownriverRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I have to say, I don't agree at ALL with the people encouraging you not to tell. It's not really so much a guilt thing (although that should be a big part of it if you are actually friends with this guy), but it's to make sure he knows what's going on. I don't believe in the "what he doesn't know won't hurt him" philosophy. You ask ten guys hypothetically if their wife was cheating on them, would they want to know and deal with it or would it be better for them to never know about it and live blissfully ignorant? I can almost guarantee you that all ten of them would tell you they'd want to know.

    If this guy is your friend, you owe it to him to tell him his wife has been unfaithful. He WOULD want to know, and if he finds out about it some other way, it will be even worse. It may ruin your friendship, but he will at least respect the fact that you were honest with him, and you can at least move on without holding on to that guilt.

    Don't be one of those guys. You can't change the fact that you did it, but you can at least do the right thing now. He needs to know, and you KNOW he does. Do the right thing.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I have to say, I don't agree at ALL with the people encouraging you not to tell. It's not really so much a guilt thing (although that should be a big part of it if you are actually friends with this guy), but it's to make sure he knows what's going on. I don't believe in the "what he doesn't know won't hurt him" philosophy. You ask ten guys hypothetically if their wife was cheating on them, would they want to know and deal with it or would it be better for them to never know about it and live blissfully ignorant? I can almost guarantee you that all ten of them would tell you they'd want to know.

    If this guy is your friend, you owe it to him to tell him his wife has been unfaithful. He WOULD want to know, and if he finds out about it some other way, it will be even worse. It may ruin your friendship, but he will at least respect the fact that you were honest with him, and you can at least move on without holding on to that guilt.

    Don't be one of those guys. You can't change the fact that you did it, but you can at least do the right thing now. He needs to know, and you KNOW he does. Do the right thing.

    It will be sad to read in the news that something violent happened because of this advice. I have no idea how his friend will react against him, his wife, or both.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'm really curious how telling him is the "right thing."

    If they don't tell him, he'll probably never know. He'll go the rest of his life without knowing, either happily or unhappily. Do you really think telling him will make him feel better than not telling him?

    As for "what if he finds out?" do you really think he's going to be more pissed off because you didn't tell him? This isn't spilling a drink, it's sleeping with his wife. I don't think there is a "more pissed off" than that.

    If you plan to continue the affair, yeah, you should tell him, but if you intend to keep it to just that once, you shouldn't say shit.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    It's not about making anyone him feel better.

    It's about the fact that his relationship is predicated on the assumption of fidelity. His wife having cheated means that what be believes about his relationship is a lie. As Big Dookie and I have said, we'd want to know, we expect everyone else who we know would also want to know, if you asked them.

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    edited June 2007
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    It's not about making anyone him feel better.

    It's about the fact that his relationship is predicated on the assumption of fidelity. His wife having cheated means that what be believes about his relationship is a lie. As Big Dookie and I have said, we'd want to know, we expect everyone else who we know would also want to know, if you asked them.

    Which would you care about more: your best friend or your principle of honesty?

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  • Double_FacesDouble_Faces Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Rough one...

    let's see, logically speaking, if we were to weigh the pros and cons and leave out all abstract ideas, then I say that there are no pros when telling the truth. The way to go would be to not tell him. It would be a bad "business decision"

    The problem with human nature (if it is indeed a problem- I don't think it is, it distinguishes us from robots) is that we have things like guilt and honesty. You owe this to your friend.

    This is tough. The chicken shit thing to do is to not tell. It's also the practical thing.

    Wow.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This is tough. The chicken shit thing to do is to not tell. It's also the practical thing.

    Wow.
    No, the chicken-shit thing to do is to tell, because you get to feel better, because you cleared your conscience, and confessed, while ruining your friend's marriage.

    The right thing to do is not tell, and never mention it to anyone else, ever, and have that hanging over you for the rest of your life.

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  • Mr. PokeylopeMr. Pokeylope Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I think don't do it again, would be the best advice because it really sounds like your tempted.

    Really a relationship based on screwing over someone both of you are close to is never going to work no matter what connection the both of you think you have.

    As for telling him, yes it will hurt him but it will give him a chance to work on whatever problems his marriage has or to stop wasting his time with someone that is unfaithful to him.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    It's not about making anyone him feel better.

    It's about the fact that his relationship is predicated on the assumption of fidelity. His wife having cheated means that what be believes about his relationship is a lie. As Big Dookie and I have said, we'd want to know, we expect everyone else who we know would also want to know, if you asked them.

    Which would you care about more: your best friend or your principle of honesty?

    I don't have a principle of honesty. I'm saying that in my view telling him the truth is caring about this hypothetical friend based upon what I would want (which I know I would want, from experience).

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  • Mr. PokeylopeMr. Pokeylope Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is tough. The chicken shit thing to do is to not tell. It's also the practical thing.

    Wow.
    No, the chicken-shit thing to do is to tell, because you get to feel better, because you cleared your conscience, and confessed, while ruining your friend's marriage.

    The right thing to do is not tell, and never mention it to anyone else, ever, and have that hanging over you for the rest of your life.

    He's already a party to ruining his friends marriage by sleeping with his wife.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    ranger48 wrote: »
    We're both clean.

    We're all pretty good friends. I wouldn't say best friends, but they're some of my better friends.

    It was just once. So far. I've been distancing myself completely (haven't seen her for 3 weeks). We still chat for brief periods online. I just don't know how to act.

    Seems the consensus is to not tell. I suppose the only reason I do want to tell is to get whatever guilt I do feel out. Not fair to him, though, is it... Just feels like I'm rationalizing...

    Yeah you're gonna have to live with the guilt. Because if you tell him, you'll be doing it first and foremost to clear your conscience. And you've pretty much forfeited that right by doing said bad thing.

    I told a lie to girl one time. Said it wasn't because she was ugly that I didn't like her. Couple years later, my guilt got to me and I told her that I had lied. The guilt I feel NOW for being such a selfish ass-face FAR outweighs the guilt before AND I have to deal with the knowledge that I probably took another piece of her already tiny source of self-confidence. I was a dick and I deserved to have to deal with that guilt. Now I'm a selfish dick and it's so much worse.

    You gotta be absolutely certain of what your intentions are if you're gonna tell. Is it primarily for you or for him.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Thanatos is right. Fantasma is right. Underdog is right. And stop talking to her on IM damnit. No contact. Tell her in person you don't feel comfortable being a party to cheating, you're sorry it happened because even though you like her personally she took a vow and helping her break it isn't right, and stop talking to her.

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  • SliverSliver Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Elaborate on this "can't stop thinking about you" thing your friends wife is doing.

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  • LemmingLemming Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is tough. The chicken shit thing to do is to not tell. It's also the practical thing.

    Wow.
    No, the chicken-shit thing to do is to tell, because you get to feel better, because you cleared your conscience, and confessed, while ruining your friend's marriage.

    The right thing to do is not tell, and never mention it to anyone else, ever, and have that hanging over you for the rest of your life.

    I don't think that's quite how it works. Just because you told someone you did something doesn't make what you did ok. The guys is probably still going to feel whatever guilt he does now over what he has done, and it seems like even though the guy's wife has only cheated this time, she seems eager to do it again, and if not with the op, she could cheat with other guys. If she does, the chance that the guy will find out that

    You should tell him. Just be prepared to lose a friend.

    Also, you said that she "didn't want to hurt him." It sounds to me like she only cares if he finds out, because she didn't seem to mind actually cheating on him. That seems pretty selfish to me. I think she's only trying to protect herself.

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  • AlyceInWonderlandAlyceInWonderland Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    What if she cheats with another guy?

    What if that other guy ISN'T clean?

    What if her husband gets that disease when they have sex?

    Just throwin' that out there.

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  • drinkinstoutdrinkinstout Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I agree with the Cat, Thanatos and the like - if this is a one time deal and she doesnt do it with anyone else, there's actually a chance they could continue on and live a happy life together. you'll always have to live with the guilt but you deserve it. On the other hand, telling him makes you feel better and destroys their marriage. It might already be going downhill and maybe she'll continue down this road, but I don't think that denying them the chance to be happy together later is something you have the right to do just so that you have a clear conscience. regardless, it still sucks either way. You gotta pick the less crappy outcome.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    What if she cheats with another guy?

    What if that other guy ISN'T clean?

    What if her husband gets that disease when they have sex?

    Just throwin' that out there.
    Then she cheated with another guy who had a disease, and the husband got it from her.

    Do you have a point, or are you just asking questions with really obvious answers?

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  • SliverSliver Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I again, would like to bring attention to the fact that this friends wife seems at least a little over-infatuated with the OP, and that this will not end well.

    And on another note, there is no reason to think that the wife is going to stay silent. Something will happen. An argument where she blurts it out just to hurt him. A valentine or anniversary where he gets her a gift and the guilt drivers to to confess. Maybe she has one to many drinks and blurts it out accidentally. Maybe they're having sex and she yells out the wrong name in bed. bottom line there is no reason to think she wont spill the beans.

    Right now the op has the chance to beat her to the punch and be the lesser shitheel than if the wife tells hubby what happened.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Sliver wrote: »
    I again, would like to bring attention to the fact that this friends wife seems at least a little over-infatuated with the OP, and that this will not end well.

    And on another note, there is no reason to think that the wife is going to stay silent. Something will happen. An argument where she blurts it out just to hurt him. A valentine or anniversary where he gets her a gift and the guilt drivers to to confess. Maybe she has one to many drinks and blurts it out accidentally. Maybe they're having sex and she yells out the wrong name in bed. bottom line there is no reason to think she wont spill the beans.

    Right now the op has the chance to beat her to the punch and the lesser shitheel than if the wife tells hubby what happened.

    Its her job to tell. Her vow, her stuffing it up.

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  • SliverSliver Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Of course it is. But right now ranger48 has the ball in his court and can at least decide when and how the husband is going to hear the message and do damage control, rather than trusting this guys wife who clearly is a little too emotionally invested in ranger48 right now. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. It's an old quote but I'll be damned if it isn't true. It'll be better for ranger48 if hubby hears it from him.

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  • AndorienAndorien Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    It seems to me that the possibility of her cheating again is quite high. I think if I were in the husband's situation, I'd rather have my friend tell me that he has first hand experience that my wife is a whore. At least then, I can do something about it and eventually move on. If I don't know my wife is a slut, some bad things can happen because of it (VDs, pregnancy, etc). If I DO know my wife is a slut, I can deal with it accordingly.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Sliver wrote: »
    Of course it is. But right now ranger48 has the ball in his court and can at least decide when and how the husband is going to hear the message and do damage control, rather than trusting this guys wife who clearly is a little too emotionally invested in ranger48 right now. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. It's an old quote but I'll be damned if it isn't true. It'll be better for ranger48 if hubby hears it from him.
    Bullshit. She broke the vow. Turning around and taking responsibility for that away from her is treating her like a child. She's not a child. She has to either face up to what she's done herself or live with not doing it. You can't be advocating using this guy to force her into doing what you think is right.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Andorien wrote: »
    It seems to me that the possibility of her cheating again is quite high. I think if I were in the husband's situation, I'd rather have my friend tell me that he has first hand experience that my wife is a whore. At least then, I can do something about it and eventually move on. If I don't know my wife is a slut, some bad things can happen because of it (VDs, pregnancy, etc). If I DO know my wife is a slut, I can deal with it accordingly.

    She hasn't had sex for money, so she's not a whore. Slut is really 'someone who's had more sex than me', so its not accurate either. She's a cheater and a liar, and a breaker of serious vows. Lets leave the pejoratives at the door, its not constructive.

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  • AndorienAndorien Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Andorien wrote: »
    It seems to me that the possibility of her cheating again is quite high. I think if I were in the husband's situation, I'd rather have my friend tell me that he has first hand experience that my wife is a whore. At least then, I can do something about it and eventually move on. If I don't know my wife is a slut, some bad things can happen because of it (VDs, pregnancy, etc). If I DO know my wife is a slut, I can deal with it accordingly.

    She hasn't had sex for money, so she's not a whore. Slut is really 'someone who's had more sex than me', so its not accurate either. She's a cheater and a liar, and a breaker of serious vows. Lets leave the pejoratives at the door, its not constructive.

    Fair enough, though I believe my point still stands on principle.

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  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    What if she cheats with another guy?

    What if that other guy ISN'T clean?

    What if her husband gets that disease when they have sex?

    Just throwin' that out there.
    Then she cheated with another guy who had a disease, and the husband got it from her.

    Do you have a point, or are you just asking questions with really obvious answers?

    I think Alyce was refuting the idea that, "If he never tells, no harm will ever come of her infedelity."

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Options:

    1. Tell him. He beats the shit out of you. You let him. Their marriage falls apart and ends in divorce. He probably starts drinking.

    2. Don't tell him. You get to feel guilty the rest of your life but he isn't hurt until she does it again. (and she will).

    Obviously, the only solution here is to seduce your best friend and fuck him. Then they've both cheated.

    Or, just break off contact with both of them.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Why are so many people so certain the hubby will beat the shit out of the OP? Is this kind of thing normal, or do you people just live in areas with high occurences of domestic violence?

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  • SliverSliver Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Sliver wrote: »
    Of course it is. But right now ranger48 has the ball in his court and can at least decide when and how the husband is going to hear the message and do damage control, rather than trusting this guys wife who clearly is a little too emotionally invested in ranger48 right now. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. It's an old quote but I'll be damned if it isn't true. It'll be better for ranger48 if hubby hears it from him.
    Bullshit. She broke the vow. Turning around and taking responsibility for that away from her is treating her like a child. She's not a child. She has to either face up to what she's done herself or live with not doing it. You can't be advocating using this guy to force her into doing what you think is right.

    What the flaming fuck? You quoted my post but you clearly didn't read it.

    This has nothing to do with what I think is right. This has to do with ranger48 covering his ass. Shit is going to hit the fan. Anyone can see it coming from a mile away. All he can do now is control how much of it he's going to catch.

    By coming clean he controls what the husband is going to hear. Maybe he wants to blame the wife for it. Maybe he can pretend to be honorable and say it's all his fault or make it look like it just happened and nobodies to blame. Bullshit, I know. But it's a million times better than the wife dropping the bomb in a fight or yelling out the other guys name in bed.

    Really, there is nothing nice or honorable about this approach. But then again, neither is sleeping with your best friend's wife. Again, the only point of this is one thing. Damage control.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Ultimately, it'd be better for the friend and his wife if the wife were to place all the blame on the poster. The poster isn't married to the friend, and barring the possibility of an initial confrontation there's nothing forcing him to ever see his friend against his will. The wife and husband, however, are stuck in each other's lives until their marriage ends.

    Furthermore, the more blame is placed on the wife, the harder it will be for the husband and the wife to be civil around each other, be it in marriage counseling or the more likely scenario of divorce. Whether it's fair to the poster or not, the truth is that the very least he owes his friend is a clean divorce and the illusion that his wife maybe wouldn't have cheated on him if she hadn't been seduced. Whether or not his friend ever really trusts a woman again could be determined by what he allows himself to think about why his marriage failed, truthful or otherwise.

    And face it, it's not like the poster and this guy are every going to be friends again, should it come to revealing things to the husband. So why should the poster bother try to save face by ensuring that he gets his side of the story out there? There's nothing to gain.



    But anyway, unless there's reason to believe that the wife is going to contract a disease or become pregnant with some other man's kid and isn't going to try to make things work with her husband, I wouldn't advise telling. If it's clear the marriage is down the tubes (and one instance of infidelity hardly means as much), though, then he should encourage the wife to come clean and resist intervening himself unless it becomes clear that she doesn't have her husband's interests in mind at all.




    But either way, the friendship is over and there's no use pretending otherwise, so cut off all ties.

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