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The 4400: New season of uncanny abilities.

Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
edited June 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
One of the few good sci-fi shows left on TV, and strangely enough on USA, is starting it's fourth season today.

For those not in the know:
The 4400 is a show about, well, 4400 people who were abducted by aliens, spread out through time, and returned all at once with unique and extraordinary abilities. Sorta like X-Men, only less cheesy. Many problems have occurred purely because they are different.

That's pretty much it without spoilers. It's a pretty dark show, as well. Anyone else watch this unique series? I personally prefer it to Heroes. *ducks under table*

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    edited June 2007
    Sounds interesting. Is it better or worse than Heroes?

    Note: I have not seen Heroes, but I'm going to jump in on season two.

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  • LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    worse, but not by much, and not a bad show in the slightest. Though I do love me the Heroes.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2007
    I recorded the episode, and I'm gonna watch it before I go to sleep. Pretty excited about the new season.

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Heroes is more centralized on a few select characters with amazing abilities, and is structured more like a comic book. The 4400 has characters with awesome abilities, but most of it is within the bounds of realism and treated without the "shock and awe." For example, one character can heal any wounds or illness. Another can see into the future. There aren't any really outrageous powers.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    Its better and more complex than Heroes. Some would say that isn't necessarily better, but I initially didn't watch Heroes cause I thought it would be a mainstream adaption of 4400, I was right, but that didn't make it bad.

    The only bad thing I could say about the 4400 is that there has been three seasons worth of promises of open warfare, and no open warfare as of yet.

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Rygar wrote: »
    Its better and more complex than Heroes. Some would say that isn't necessarily better, but I initially didn't watch Heroes cause I thought it would be a mainstream adaption of 4400, I was right, but that didn't make it bad.

    The only bad thing I could say about the 4400 is that there has been three seasons worth of promises of open warfare, and no open warfare as of yet.

    Except for
    PSYCHOTIC BLACK WOMAN OF DOOM

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    Well that wasn't open warfare so much as it was massacre.

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I prefer massacres to open warfare.

    It's so..delightfully one-sided.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    Well this is definately more confrontational...
    I am not sure its a good thing when a high school teen seizes control of Seattle.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Jeffrey Combs makes this show. (Good.)

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Shhh, put spoilers in their respective hiding place. That plotline should have lasted longer than one ep.

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  • TreelootTreeloot Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I got really into The 4400 last summer. I almost forgot about the new 4400 season until I saw an article in the paper about it yesterday. 13 episodes a season seems too damn short, because I hardly remembered what the hell had happened last season. I'd forgotten and still don't remember why Sean was in a coma, and that Alana disappeared.

    The season opener was pretty good though. Except for a few minor plot points I feel like I'm back in the loop.

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sean's in a coma because:
    Isabel, PSYCHOTIC BLACK WOMAN OF DOOM, nearly killed him.

    Alanna disappeared in the last episode of last season by
    An unknown floating metallic object, probably the same thing that abducted them all in the first place. Isabel apparently knows what's happened to her, but won't reveal it.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    Shhh, put spoilers in their respective hiding place. That plotline should have lasted longer than one ep.

    It absolutely should have, but the only show with more self-contained episodes is TNG. Thats another point Heroes has over 4400, still only 2 points though.

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Meh, I disagree. While I do like certain plotlines, stretching them too thinly makes them feel...tired.

    Which is a problem I had with Heroes.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited June 2007
    I saw a random episode of this and got the first season (what few episodes it had) for $cheap a year ago. I may have to rewatch it and then see the second season too.

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  • WillyGilliganWillyGilligan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    And the third.

    Btw, is it just me, or did they switch actors for
    Jordan Collier? (spoilered for those who haven't see the resurrection.)

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2007
    I'm pretty sure they did.

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  • itylusitylus Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Rygar wrote: »
    Its better and more complex than Heroes. Some would say that isn't necessarily better, but I initially didn't watch Heroes cause I thought it would be a mainstream adaption of 4400, I was right, but that didn't make it bad.

    The only bad thing I could say about the 4400 is that there has been three seasons worth of promises of open warfare, and no open warfare as of yet.

    ditto ditto. The characters in the 4400 just feel a bit more real, and also, that Wayoun guy is funny.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    I am 99% sure they didn't. As I understand it he took season 2 or 3 off to sail around the world, and came back next season.

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I saw a panel on this at Comic-con last year. It reminded me of a cross between X-files and Rising Stars. And I love Heroes but this didn't strike a chord with me.

    The sad part was, the panel was right before the Adult Swim panel, in the same room, so it was PACKED. Standing room only, people leaning against the walls, fire hazard level packed. We were there for Adult Swim of course, but the poor 4400 people though they had somehow acquired a massive fanbase, and commented on it multiple times throughout their presentation, with genuine shock. I felt bad for them.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Huh, I was just thinking about this today, and figuring it should be back right about now. My internal timing is perfect!

    But yeah, it's a keen show. Not as good as Heroes, but still very worth watching. I wish the cute blonde hadn't left last season though. Her daughter's just an annoying bitch.

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  • WillyGilliganWillyGilligan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Rygar wrote: »
    I am 99% sure they didn't. As I understand it he took season 2 or 3 off to sail around the world, and came back next season.

    That's as may be, but I meant in this week's season opening, the character looked and sounded slightly off compared to last season's finale. It was slight enough that I wasn't sure, but it looks like they got a replacement actor that was doing a very good mimic of the original.

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  • HydroSqueegeeHydroSqueegee ULTRACAT!!!™®© Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    nope. He wasnt replaced. Hes just a bit more subdued since hes trying to play up the
    im a jesus wannabe
    role

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This week's episode was pretty cool. The drugs given out to the population at large gives the show back the vibe from the first few seasons when dudes would pop up wrecking havoc occsionally. I hop a the very least it lasts long enough to explain everything.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'm a fan of 4400 starting last season. Watched the one episode re-cap and jumped right in. Entertaining stuff.

    thoughts on this week's episode:
    Agree that the random wackos popping up with powers from the shots is going to be a good thing for this season. Agree that the god-kid probably should've hung around for a few episodes, or even become a permanent fixture...what a clever power to give someone, they really could've played it up big. BUT, I do like that his emergence seems to have sparked Collier into embracing the messiah role which is where I hoped they'd take that character. I'm encouraged by the opener. I needs to go read me some wiki to get clear on some of the details from last season though...

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  • WillyGilliganWillyGilligan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    It looks like Collier has two powers. They never really explained how he came back from the dead, just his own experience of travelling through time as a ghost, but it sure seemed like that was his ability. Now he pulls promycin out of people. Also, though it doesn't seem likely with the way they've explained the abilities, could Jordan now have that kid's ability?

    Also,
    The kid couldn't be that powerful and stick around. Any sane use they would have for his character could already be accomplished by Tess's ability or Jordan's popularity. And it's not like they could stick him down in a cell in NTAC (I'm not even sure if what he did would count as a crime, but what do I know?) and they couldn't let him walk around free. He worked as a very vivid example of the brave new world that Jordan and company is bringing about, and helped Jordan gain more influence. As a one shot character? Perfect. As a whiny 15 year old cult leader that requires contrived boundaries to keep in check? Not so much.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Ooh, Jordan = the kinder, gentler Sylar?

    I get what your saying, and it makes perfect sense, the kid was a springboard for Jordan's character to ramp up to where he needs to be, I just think it could've been a lot more fun having the kid around for a while still, maybe somehow exiled to an Island w/ his lunatic fanatics showing up every once in a while as a third, or fourth maybe, 'faction' throughout the show. I just really liked how one scene we see the principal talkin to NTAC all worried about what's going on, then by the time they come back he's standing on top of a bus proclaiming the kid's greatness and his willingness to die for him. Just a lot of possibilities that feel lost. Now, if Collier just absorbed the kids power, then that's even better.

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  • WillyGilliganWillyGilligan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Actually, I think it would be better if he didn't. He's already heading in that direction on his own merits, which will be that much creepier if this kid's power just showed us a prequel of what Jordan will become. Also, the way that they're using promycin to explain the abilities would suggest that Jordan could absorb all the promycin that he wants without developing any new abilities. His body would just use it to fuel the abilities he already has.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Actually, I think it would be better if he didn't. He's already heading in that direction on his own merits, which will be that much creepier if this kid's power just showed us a prequel of what Jordan will become. Also, the way that they're using promycin to explain the abilities would suggest that Jordan could absorb all the promycin that he wants without developing any new abilities. His body would just use it to fuel the abilities he already has.

    Hmmm....good point.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I wonder if he can give powers.

    I can see him visiting a special someone in jail.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    For the first episode, he didn't have to be a recurring fixture, but I would like 2 or 3 episode long story arcs please. Including ones that have the potential to be as awesome as his.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Well it's only 13 episode this season.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    How long was season 2 and 3?

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    I wonder if he can give powers.

    in a way, he already has.
    by distributing the promicin shots he has given powers to thousands(as well as causing just as many deaths). as for him being able to absorb powers, i thought of that too when he first started to absorb the promicin from graham, but i think they're taking it in the direction that he can be heralded as a messiah with out that ability. i think jordan's purpose is simply to make sure that those with abilities use them wisely and for the benefit of mankind. his ability being to remove promicin(and as a result abilities) from other.

    as for his death, resurrection and the time he spent travelling the world afterwords, i think he'd simply been abducted again. saved by the same faction from the future that sent the 4400 back in the first place, in reaction to the rival factions attempt to kill him.

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  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    I wonder if he can give powers.

    in a way, he already has.
    by distributing the promicin shots he has given powers to thousands(as well as causing just as many deaths). as for him being able to absorb powers, i thought of that too when he first started to absorb the promicin from graham, but i think they're taking it in the direction that he can be heralded as a messiah with out that ability. i think jordan's purpose is simply to make sure that those with abilities use them wisely and for the benefit of mankind. his ability being to remove promicin(and as a result abilities) from other.

    as for his death, resurrection and the time he spent travelling the world afterwords, i think he'd simply been abducted again. saved by the same faction from the future that sent the 4400 back in the first place, in reaction to the rival factions attempt to kill him.
    Yeah that's been my impression, the people from the future sent him back and that's not his power. Do we think he could be immune to other's powers too? Eh, I guess not, because crazybaby was able to hurt him so much. But still, why wasn't he affected by the 15 year old's power? I have a feeling its gonna be a lot harder for him to use again, because people who have taken promicin will know that he can take it away.

    In general, I love how random people are going to be popping up with their power. There's a lot of potential there, what with it being illegal and all. What's gonna happen when NTAC has to go after the promicin-positive people that are healing the sick or using their abilities for good?

    Also, has anyone seen the websites and the extra material on the website? The pro and against sites? I thought it was pretty nifty, and it made me realize something: most of the abilities people gain from promicin are not going to be able humanity unless the government is able to put those people in places where they can be of assisistance. As long as the government is jailing them and forcing them into custody, they won't be of any help to anyone at all.

    Also, there's the obligatory question: would you take it? I don't think I would take promicin, but I could definitely see why someone would.

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    I wonder if he can give powers.

    in a way, he already has.
    by distributing the promicin shots he has given powers to thousands(as well as causing just as many deaths). as for him being able to absorb powers, i thought of that too when he first started to absorb the promicin from graham, but i think they're taking it in the direction that he can be heralded as a messiah with out that ability. i think jordan's purpose is simply to make sure that those with abilities use them wisely and for the benefit of mankind. his ability being to remove promicin(and as a result abilities) from other.

    as for his death, resurrection and the time he spent travelling the world afterwords, i think he'd simply been abducted again. saved by the same faction from the future that sent the 4400 back in the first place, in reaction to the rival factions attempt to kill him.
    Yeah that's been my impression, the people from the future sent him back and that's not his power. Do we think he could be immune to other's powers too? Eh, I guess not, because crazybaby was able to hurt him so much. But still, why wasn't he affected by the 15 year old's power? I have a feeling its gonna be a lot harder for him to use again, because people who have taken promicin will know that he can take it away.

    In general, I love how random people are going to be popping up with their power. There's a lot of potential there, what with it being illegal and all. What's gonna happen when NTAC has to go after the promicin-positive people that are healing the sick or using their abilities for good?

    Also, has anyone seen the websites and the extra material on the website? The pro and against sites? I thought it was pretty nifty, and it made me realize something: most of the abilities people gain from promicin are not going to be able humanity unless the government is able to put those people in places where they can be of assisistance. As long as the government is jailing them and forcing them into custody, they won't be of any help to anyone at all.
    i think jordan's ability will be explored more fully over the course of this season. finding out the full extent of what he can do, and exactly what his role is in preventing the catastrophe should add to the suspense of the series.

    as for random people showing up with powers, i'm more interesting in April's return to the series. we saw her buying a promicin shot at the end of the last season, and she's been confirmed as being alive in the first ep of this season, so they seem to be suggesting that she's survived taking the shot. likewise it'll be interesting to find out what power kyle developers(perhaps Cassie is a manifestation of the power he doesn't think has developed yet).
    Also, there's the obligatory question: would you take it? I don't think I would take promicin, but I could definitely see why someone would.

    would i take it? it being a hypothetical question i wont say 100% yes, but thinking about it i'm certainly leaning more towards it than against. of course there's more to consider than just the 50% chance of death. there's also the fact that not all abilities seem to be beneficial to the individuals who posses them. i wouldn't rush out for a shot if they were real, but even with the downsides i'd be more looking for a reason against rather than for.

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  • WillyGilliganWillyGilligan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Do we think he could be immune to other's powers too? Eh, I guess not, because crazybaby was able to hurt him so much.
    Part of Isabelle's schtick was that she killed the 4400s that she did by turning their own powers against them. When she attacked him as a baby, she might have caused Jordan's body to start neutralizing its own promycin.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'd wait around for "Promycin, v2.0, now wish 30% less deaths!"
    Perhaps it's as simple as 'Jordan's pupose is to evolve and improve the world through the use of promycin', and, in order to help him accomplish that goal, his powers are that he is not affected by the abilities of promycin users and can take it away. True 4400s could affect him just fine, but fake 4400s have no power over him, since he essentially gets to pick and choose who can use the promycin and who can't.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    More like The Three Billion mirite?

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