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Serenity Question.
lucidique
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So i got the Firefly Complete Series dvd last weekend. I must admit i was a bit cautious, i mean, cancelled after the first season? I was impressed, it is VERY good.
Wich leads me to a couple simple questions :
Is the movie any good? Does it work as a bigger episode, or is it the closing of the series? Also, can anyone tell me how did this non-sense happen? How could a serie that good be cancelled?
Wich leads me to a couple simple questions :
Is the movie any good? Does it work as a bigger episode, or is it the closing of the series? Also, can anyone tell me how did this non-sense happen? How could a serie that good be cancelled?
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Serenity is great. Prepare to be upset. Watch it anyway.
The series was canceled because FOX showed it out of order and kept changing its time slot so nobody who wanted to watch it knew when it was on.
also it got cancelled cos fox are a bunch of morons and just want instant hits....
I don't know all the details on the cancellation, but I'm pretty sure some of it had to do with Fox fucking around with Whedon and making him change the order of the episodes and tone down Mal for being "too dark," or some stupid bullshit like that.
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The series failed because Fox
A. Had a shitty marketing department at the time. I'm not sure if they still do but it's possible.
B. Switched the timeslot incredibly often.
C. Is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who is basically the devil.
Nine years later.
That's pretty much the plan. I'm not completely done with the series, i got 4-5 more episodes left to go, but i want to show it to some friends first.
Interestingly enough, this is what i liked most about the show. The darker atmosphere of the time, the personality of the characters, the moving moments. The Jayne's statue episode gave me a huge smile. Everything just feel right. So cool.
Anyway, any other serie similar to this i should keep an eye out for? I watched pretty much everything Star Trek, Stargate, and i got a little bit in Battlestar Galactica ( One i will be keeping track of soon after ).
It's watchable, but you'd be doing yourself a disservice not watching the series first.
If you must watch Serenity then watch it before you can disappointed with it (i.e., before you watch Firefly).
But if you have the choice then don't watch it at all.
The series was literally some of the best material I've ever seen on TV, so it's hard to compare the two, but I'd say the movie was a bit of a letdown... BUT it was still much better than most sci-fi films, and really it's better than most films in general, so it's still worth a watch. Plus, the movie explains a lot of mysteries from the series, such as:
Whedon has said he intended the movie to be a conclusion to the series IF that's it, but with still enough loose ends to be able to revisit the material if given the chance.
What? Changing the backstories? What the hell. Why? Can you give me an example?
What? Changing the backstories? What the hell. Why? Can you give me an example?[/QUOTE]
as regards to Simon and River
Oh, and so this doesn't turn ugly...Jclast, I'm not saying that about you. I'm saying that is what I've seen alot of.
Otherwise, the film is great. It has some fantastic and memorable moments.
That's cool. The two things that bugged me was that Simon didn't seem like the same character at all to me and that it was sci-fi action instead of sci-fi western. I really really liked that it had a western setting (much of the time), mentality, and feeling.
The story itself was fine; just didn't feel like Firefly to me. And that's why I thought it was crap. Because it felt like one more sci-fi action instead of the follow-up to Firefly that I wanted.
What? Changing the backstories? What the hell. Why? Can you give me an example?[/QUOTE]
Yea, I'm also kinda wondering about that comment. I can totally agree about the western feeling, as even Whedon has admitted he had to tone that down in order to make the movie more marketable, but come on, Mal just epitimizes western.
And to the OP, you shouldn't even have to ask. Go! Go watch the movie now. I just feel bad that you didn't watch it in the theater when it first came out. Nothing like being in a room full of other firefly fans to make the movie even more enjoyable. Every reaction is great, especially..
Which reminds me, I keep saying I'm going to start back the thread over at D & D of firefly, but I keep forgetting. Plus I want to make it a great post, and I'm lazy. Someone want to do it for me?
On Father's Day, I saw it in Target for 10 or 20 bucks. Might try looking there.
as regards to Simon and River
Two things:
as regards to Simon and River[...][/QUOTE]
Man, i wonder who makes that kind of decision at Fox, i mean come on. It's not like the character needed any kind of change.
Nevertheless, i'm gonna rent that bad boy this weekend and see what it's all about. Thanks a lot for the infos.
Didn't enjoy Serenity as much, but that probably just because it was a movie and not the series, so it had to be different. I liked that during the series you never really know what's going on, and didn't like it being all concluded I guess.
It's still worth watching... it's not going to ruin your childhood or anything.
And yes, I agree that Simon changed a lot, and that whole conflict was somewhat contrived to begin with, because a big element to the show toward the end was Mal and Simon's developing relationship. Yes, they weren't best pals, and never would be, but they had developed a mutual respect that would never have let Simon punch Mal, or Mal threaten to shoot Simon.
But you have to remember: There were years between the show and the movie, and Whedon HAD to reach a big audience to even have a prayer of a shot at making more Firefly content, and THAT is why I forgive him. He didn't BREAK the series in anyway... It was still Firefly... But he BENT the edges a bit to make the movie more appealing to a wider audience in the desperate hope that it would make enough money to be able to continue the series. I can forgive that... Plus the movie was still good.
As for the line about him paying people to rescue River, he obviously did - people to get him the fake uniform and backstory, to get him the location, and to pilot whatever that craft was to get them out. Complaining about that is nitpicking.
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All in all, its a movie you watch lightly.
I must also agree with jclast with regard to the way things change.
Just a sidenote... while I liked Drive, no one watched it. You can't blame them for cancelling a show that wasn't making them money. :P
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More like nobody watched the first 3 episodes and then they canceled it. That's like strangling your baby because they're slightly underweight. I mean come on, that baby might have grown up fine!
I honestly think watching Serenity first is better, which is what I did. It is a great movie, and most of the people who watch the series first talk about how the movie breaks the Firefly character and are disappointed by it, as opposed to being able to witness both Firefly and Serenity as events in awesomeness.
But yeah, watch the movie, but go into it with an open mind.
And it was cancelled because Fox juggled up episode order, changed time slots, did limited (no?) advertising, and basically just fucked it up.
My reaction is still talked about between my family, my boyfriend and I. I think its something we'll remember when we're fifty.
IMO watching Serentiy before watching Firefly would be be like kicking a kitten, or some other equally abhorrent activity.
Watching Serenity first would competely and totally destroy all ( I was going to moderate my language and say some, but I've thought about this and it's all) of the mystery of the series which is so artfully constructed. Imagine watching the Firefly pilot knowing that:
C) Seriously, the Reavers again. The movie reduces them from a primal mythical terror of the dark to monster-of-the-week.
Talk about a dramatic tension killer. Talk about mystique killer.
I watched Firefly knowing nothing about it except Sci-Fi-Western. It was glorious. My joy would have been massively reduced with the info from the movie.
My view of the film is that it's okay. Too much Sci-Fi, not enough Western which results in it feeling disconnected from the series in some ways
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I thought it was very good. Don't read any spoilers, just go rent it. The last quarter of the movie will be pretty intense if you've never seen it before and especially if you're a fan of Firefly.
As to which is better, Firefly or Serenity, I think Serenity is easily more polished and obviously had a better budget, but you don't have the charm of some of those episodes that didn't really advance plot and just explored the characters. That sort of thing is kind of secondary and you're limited by time constraints when you're looking at the movie format vs. the television series format. But they're both good.
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