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What does one need to know about creating a forum?

Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
edited June 2007 in Games and Technology
I've been giving some thought to starting up a small forum. I know of a lot of free forums, but honestly I want something a bit more 'professional' than that.

My only real obstacle is that I know nothing about the other side of running a place like this, the dark and mysterious technical side of things.

So I come begging for help. What are some good, yet beginner friendly, resources one should check out before embarking on such a quest? Like something that works even if you don't know what the hell mySQL is? (seriously, while checking out different hosting places along with the vBulletin I see that phrase all the time.)

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Phpbb is ridiculously easy to set up. I recommend starting with that.

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    GertBeefGertBeef Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The only advice I can give is don't start a forum unless you plan to offer some other service with it, like a comic or daily point of view on something. Other wise it will degenerate into a shitfest with a bunch 13 year olds that slowly take it over and write awful sonic furry porn fan fiction.

    Oh and I always liked Ikonboard if that still exists.

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    Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    GertBeef wrote: »
    Other wise it will degenerate into a shitfest with a bunch 13 year olds that slowly take it over and write awful sonic furry porn fan fiction.
    See, I'm planning on starting with the shitfest of furry porn and seeing what it degenerates into from there :)

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    Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Phpbb is ridiculously easy to set up. I recommend starting with that.
    Hmm. I chose vBulletin because the 3 forums i frequent all use it, and i like it.

    Now to check out this phpBB...

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    RoshinRoshin My backlog can be seen from space SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Take a long hard look at the security side of things and learn all about it, because people will try to hack and wreck your forums, exploiting every little loophole and technical glitch there is. Then look into spam filters and the like, because you will be overwhelmed by spambots trying to sign up.

    It's a nice little idea in theory. A place where people can hang out and chat, but it's a constant uphill struggle behind the scenes.

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    LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Yeah, the spam issue is ridiculous. I set up a forum for the guys in the WoW forum. It's got CAPTCHAs and email confirmation, and they still sign up on a fully up-to-date phpBB install. I can only conclude that actual humans are signing up to do this shit. And you can't stop that.

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    DritzDritz CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Pick a good admin and sql password. I suppose it's rather simple advice but it is in my opinion probably the most important thing you can do.

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    GertBeefGertBeef Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Dritz wrote: »
    Pick a good admin and sql password. I suppose it's rather simple advice but it is in my opinion probably the most important thing you can do.



    GabeN
    GabeN

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    If your forum doesn't have a hook, no one will come to it. If Gabe and Tycho stopped doing the comic, this forum would be dead within a week.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    GertBeef wrote: »
    Other wise it will degenerate into a shitfest with a bunch 13 year olds that slowly take it over and write awful sonic furry porn fan fiction.
    See, I'm planning on starting with the shitfest of furry porn and seeing what it degenerates into from there :)

    Politics.

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    InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    ecapsknalb wrote: »
    If your forum doesn't have a hook, no one will come to it. If Gabe and Tycho stopped doing the comic, this forum would be dead within a week.

    D:

    But true.

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    KrizKriz Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    don't start off with 20+ different subforums. start with 2, maybe 3 at most.

    over-structuring of a small new forum can kill the mood; keep things casual.

    don't have your members spam other places to recruit new members.

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    Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Kriz wrote: »
    don't start off with 20+ different subforums. start with 2, maybe 3 at most.

    over-structuring of a small new forum can kill the mood; keep things casual.
    Good idea.
    don't have your members spam other places to recruit new members.
    Another good idea.

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'd recommend going with phpBB too, but if you want to try something a little more advanced, give SMF a go:
    http://www.simplemachines.org/

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    KarnKarn Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    ecapsknalb wrote: »
    If your forum doesn't have a hook, no one will come to it. If Gabe and Tycho stopped doing the comic, this forum would be dead within a week.

    This is the most important and I know this from multiple experiences. People don't randomly flock to forums, you have to draw them there first. Even when you have nearly a dozen people at the start, it will stagnate and DIE if you have no way of bringing in new people.

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    Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    While the forum has a decent hook (geeky as it may be), I'm not all that worried about growth.

    This idea mainly came about as a place for folks who where tired of asshattery on an existing site to go to get the same type of discussion but without the asshole mods.

    So I expect to have a decent core of people to start with, and maybe some growth as we go along, but it's not a huge concern.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    splinter forum, huh?

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    KrizKriz Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    piece of advice specifically for splinter forums: don't talk about the old country.

    it just leads to awkward conversations, drudges up drama, and prevents the community from moving on.

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    SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Guys, guys, I just had a horrible revelation. What happens if they stop writing the comic? WHERE WILL WE ALL GO?!

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    we'd be forced to take refuge on the Ctrl+Alt+Delete or Megatokyo boards. A fate worse than death.

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    urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    we'd be forced to take refuge on the Ctrl+Alt+Delete or Megatokyo boards. A fate worse than death.

    Don't you DARE say that shit!

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    KarnKarn Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Kriz wrote: »
    piece of advice specifically for splinter forums: don't talk about the old country.

    it just leads to awkward conversations, drudges up drama, and prevents the community from moving on.

    Another splinter forum piece of advice. Keep an eye out for "secret club elitism" that can easily ruin any chances for future growth. This is especially important if the splinter members are going to continue posting on the old forum. The biggest problem with splinter forums is that they tend to be made as part of alternative to a forum (because of certain people bothering others) only to end up with a type of paranoia setting in that any outsiders who didn't initially make it over are there to ruin things. A steady stream of new regulars can easily combat this, but if registrations occur in waves for some reason, you can experience this sort of "this is our special club" mentality develop.

    On a side note, don't allow attachments ever, not even images. If someone wants to share something, let them find their own webspace to do so. You don't want to give anyone the chance to upload things that shouldn't be there to your webspace.

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    LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Karn wrote: »
    Keep an eye out for "secret club elitism" that can easily ruin any chances for future growth.

    Man, you're just jealous you aren't part of The Secret Club. We already have a thread giggling about you!

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Just out of curiousity (and boredom) I setup a copy of SMF. Feel free to spam as much as you like:

    http://87.194.115.207/forums/index.php (hopefully should work...)

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    Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Just out of curiousity (and boredom) I setup a copy of SMF. Feel free to spam as much as you like:

    http://87.194.115.207/forums/index.php (hopefully should work...)
    Hmm, thats not bad looking.

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    ruforufo Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Keep your forum software up-to-date, or they will hack you.

    Not might. Will.

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    MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    SMF is pretty good, and has some awesome mod/admin features.

    Personally, I like punBB for the lightweight and open source nature of it.

    edit: Do not even consider phpBB 2.xx because it is complete shit. There's a reason we don't use it here anymore.

    3.x is shaping up to be pretty decent, but I haven't played with it enough to know how worthwhile it is over the many other existing softwares.

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Took about half a second to find a page listing an exploit for that version.

    Might want to see if there's a patch. :)

    Edit: Yeah, 2.0 is current. Might want to update it.

    Edit: Or not - it's linked in the news, but the download page still had 1.1.2

    Edit: Oh, 2.0 won't be out until octoberish.

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Meh, by all means hack away, I'm not bothered. If anyone wants admin privileges just register. :)

    PunBB is setup too:
    http://87.194.115.207/forums2/index.php

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    malerikmalerik Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Hi, as part of my new job I have to maintain a forum on my company's website. It's a community entertainment company and as such the forum is quite popular considering the size of the company (me and two other people).

    I didn't set up the forum, I don't know php or mysql, but I have to make sure this puppy doesn't break or get flooded with spam. Things I can tell you so far are as follows:

    1. A captcha on the sign-up will stop precisely dick. I tried several and still the spam came. Instead, try to find an add-on that adds a captcha to the first 5 posts made by a new sign-up. I got one for my phpbb forum and it works like a charm.

    2. Never underestimate how stupid your people can be. "But no-one actually clicks on spam, do they?" yes, they do, and then they know your forum is active and flood it. Therefore constantly checking for spam is crucial, otherwise one of your sheep will decide they really want to see 'hot black horse mom action' and you can kiss your forum goodbye.

    3. People will spam ANYTHING. Wheel spam? check. Mortgage spam? check. Financial advice spam? check. SPAM FILTER SPAM? check!

    4. If you are using PHPBB their website is really really helpful. I would recommend it.

    5. Set up your rules early, make it an announcement at the top of each and every forum and adhere to it completely. Not only will people click spam, they will post it. Even if they've been a member for ages.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    We cut our spam count by around 90% by implementing a captcha

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    malerikmalerik Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    which one did you use? all of the ones I tried for the reg page either didn't work or didn't stop anything.

    The first 5 posts thing though? 100% stop rate. nothing has gotten through yet.

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