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Immigration Bill goes down in flames
ryuprecht
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Amazing. Something good happened for once in the Senate. I've been watching this bill as it moved towards passage and I hoped and prayed it would finally go away.
Nice job Bush, you never had much of a chance of approval with the anti-war crowd, and now you just fucked yourself by supporting a bill conservatives hate. Polical legacy down in flames on both sides of the aisle.
Discuss and debate, please.
Nice job Bush, you never had much of a chance of approval with the anti-war crowd, and now you just fucked yourself by supporting a bill conservatives hate. Polical legacy down in flames on both sides of the aisle.
Discuss and debate, please.
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It would have still given everyone to bitch about, but at least it would have delivered progress for everyone.
I hate congress.
Oh, look at the time! I must leave.
/cue flame war
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q1TVAG0&show_article=1
Yes. That way the legal immigrants can work on their productivity.
Too good? By what measure?
Also, a perfect compromise does not make good law.
That's the clincher for me.
How does having 20 million illegals standing behind you in the long line to citizenship impact them in any negative way?
Problems of Sovereignty and Law and Order are generally threatened when criminal acts are condoned en masse.
Because we have established rules for how to become a legal citizens, and some people choose not to follow it. We had a amnesty process back in the 80's, and it served to increase the size of the next batch of illegals.
Our immigration system is such an extreme clusterfuck I don't think there are any words that can properly describe it.
Are you advocating that laws should never be changed or challenged when found to be unsuitable or no longer relevant?
It impacts the new legal immigrants... and the current ones. The INS already can't handle the workload they have, what makes people think that they'll be able to handle more?
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That's my point. How much worse will it be when trying to handle the illegal's turning leagal?
There's the answer. Rule of law must be followed. It's one of the cornerstones of society.
You're right. We really need to start throwing jaywalkers into prisons. For too long has this plague been deemed acceptable by our do nothing executive. I say it's time we enforce the laws on the books and teach those kids that playing in the street has serious consequences. Both to you and your anal virginity.
I agree. Lets keep this lawful though, and open those floodgates the legal way.
There is a very good economic reason we have such a problem with illegial immigration. We demand lots of new labor for expanding economy, and the supply through legal means is very limited.
Thus, criminal acts and illegal immigration.
Fuck that, let them come in legally and safely and let them work.
Societies also ignore the law all the time.
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That sure is a.... cute comparison.
Too bad it does not hold water.
There is not one single supportable argument against opening up the borders and granting amnesty. They all fail. It is racism and enforcement of birthright entitlements, plain and simple. Stop acting like it isn't.
Break the law when it's not conveinent to obey it? That doesn't sound good.
And when current [murder] law is too restrictive for these otherwise productive people to [commit] legal [murder] in the US? What recourse do they have then?
You can really sub any crime in there when laws can be broken whenever we want, what the point of laws?
I'm not saying we shouldn't change immigration policy, I'm saying just leagalizing millions of people is a bad idea.
You are right. Illegal immigrants are currently a boon to society's economy unlike jaywalkers.
Few things really sort get me pissed off more than when conservatives can't even embrace conservative ideals like rewarding people for work, providing as much economic opportunity as possible, and the benefit of competition. This bill is one of the few truly conservative things Bush has attempted, and it's shit on in a wave of xenophobia and tired stereotypes.
You have got to be kidding me. That's the dumbest thing I've heard in the last 5 minutes.
Racism is a nice diversionary argument, but it's got nothing to do with this. Birthright entitlements too. It's a nice fancy phrase, you should use it more often.
And besides that what I'm saying is that if a law is found to be irrelevant and harmful, should we not change it? Or do we say "RULE OF LAW" and leave every piece of legislation ever written on the books untouched in the name of not letting our society crumble into rampant anarchism? I mean lord knows upping the speed limit to 65 in CA really saw a drastic spike in the murder rate, best not let such tragic things happen again.
Give me one reason you are allowed to live and work here and another isn't.
You have got to be kidding me. How many millions of unskilled laborers would we be swamped with? They depress wages at the bottom of the pay scale, they freeride off our healthcare system, they increase the crime rate.
We should up the legal quotas if we genuinely need a bit more unskilled labor, punish people who hire illegal immigrants unbelievably hard (secure borders lol), and not reward current illegals for breaking the law. If we do give them a reward the next batch will be even goddamn bigger.
So the solution is to fuck up our country as much as possible until we're down at the world average per capita GDP, by rewarding illegal activity, out of some skewed sense of egalitarianism?
Uh...I would disagree. Amnesty is not a conservative idea. Legal immigration would be. Increase the amount of immigration, but keep it through legal means. Conservatism (and common sense) also dictates that you protect society.
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