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Man kicked off Amtrak for being Diabetic....
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http://www.kpho.com/news/13586605/detail.html
Which includes this little gem:
What the fuck?
EDIT: They found him
Which includes this little gem:
"He was let off in the middle of a national forest, which is about 800,000 acres of beautiful pine trees," Lt. Mike Graham said.
What the fuck?
EDIT: They found him
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No! No they most certainly did not!
That they would even ask a question like that makes you wonder.
if you are drunk on a train, amtrak will drop you off in the middle of a national forest
uh
what kind of policy is that
Pretty fucked up of Amtrak though.
They've made some really stupid business decisions lately.
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fuckin right. they're beautiful and there are acres and acres of them, more than enough to hide the body.
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now his diabetes was makin' him act like that maybe
but the dude could have said 'sorry i am being a jerk can someone just give me a damn candy bar and i'll calm the fuck down'
instead of making everyone think he was a crazy man who may have hurt himself or others
what if the guy really was fuckin' crazy. do they wait until they get to the next stop so he can flip out and maybe hurt someone or do they get him off the fuckin' train
Lock him in a room?
It's hard to say...
In a post 9/11 world :x
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how many secure locking rooms do you imagine there are on the average passenger train
maybe drunk doesn't
but drunk and unruly?
yeah that basically equals being an abusive jerk exactly
Some of the symptoms of hypoglycemia are disorientation, as well as trouble speaking and nervousness. If he could have conveyed the message, I'm sure he would have.
Also, it's a pretty good chance that he hasn't found much insulin wandering alone in the woods, so he's in pretty serious danger of death, if not found.
Knob's point is a valid one, though. He was clearly acting as if he were a danger to the other passengers, so Amtrak did what they thought was best by acting to protect their other customers. This guy should have had some sort of bracelet or other identifier to clue the Amtrak workers into what was going on.
On the surface, yeah, Amtrak appears to be total dicks. But I'm not so sure they were entirely in the wrong.
a bunch?
there are private sleeper rooms, maintenance/supply rooms, a bunch of other places.
this doesn't negate the fact that they dumped this guy in the middle of nowhere and didn't even call the goddamned police. this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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If there isn't a secure room for one god damn person there is something wrong with Amtrak.
They weren't wrong to take action, but throwing someone off the train in the middle of fucking nowhere, while disoriented for any reason, is an incredibly irresponsible thing to do.
EDIT: Not to mention the fact that they just dumped him and left him. The police weren't even notified until the family had to figure out the guy was missing on their own, then had to notify authorities.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree, their methods were atrocious. But the reasoning behind taking them, at least, was sound.
What the hell?! What the fuck is wrong with you!
The guy didn't hurt anyone he was incoherant and of asshole behavior, they basically said we are going to drop this man off in the woods with no supplies, no food, no contact other than a cellphone of his own that will not last all on the notion that he
A) is causing disturbances
Maybe they should send people to the arctic for driving cars?! they could
A) hurt someone
it wasn't reasoning at all!
b) he had both his medication and a cellphone
He was incoherant so how could he use a cell phone?
Again, you're getting me wrong. I'm not acquitting them of all charges here. I'm simply saying that if this guy was acting as if he were a danger to others in his immediate vicinity, they were right to take some action. The action they chose was horrible, but this guy had some responsibility to communicate that this was a genuine medical condition, and if he couldn't do so verbally than it was his responsibility to do so through another method, such as an ID bracelet that explained that he was a diabetic and so would be prone to such attacks.
And your analogy is weak. Yes, people who drive are technically endangering others, but we allow them to do so as long as they can prove that they are competent enough to do so. If someone is not licensed or has put themself into a state where they are a very real danger to others, then we certainly have methods of making sure they cannot do so.
that's what he gets for being diabetic
maybe dying will teach him a lesson
how do they know he's diabetic, and not just a violent drunk psycho
Throwing a senior citizen off at an abandoned crossing surrounded by woods with no roads in sight, without notifying the family or the police or anyone, wasn't the right action.