It Slices, its dices, Cures Cancer and runs your Car!!

urbman

My friend on my space found this video and sent it to me.

http://www.youtube.com/v/aGg0ATfoBgo

Basically a man tried to cure cancer and ended up making salt water burn.

Here is an article for more info.
http://nick2.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/saltwater-into-fire

I find this to be absolutely amazing. I hope some huge big wig company takes this and runs with it. If it where to fight cancer like he was planning on it would save so many more lives than chemo. Also it has potential to solve huge resource problems.

I would love for something like this to actually be developed and a grand scale.

DISCUSS!

CycloneRanger

I haven't seen a pile of bullshit this steamy-fresh in a long time. Ignoring for a moment the typo-riddled paper in the link and the author's absolute lack of understanding of anything going on (and ignoring the half-assed special effects the vide tries to pass off as fact), this is still impossible. To get something combustible out of saltwater you'd either need to electrolyze the water or produce chlorine gas from the NaCl and react that with something flammable.

That, and the whole conservation-of-energy thing, but, then again, that's just a lie told by the corporate conspirators, isn't it?

Gah. How this can be taken seriously is beyond me.

romanqwerty

Slightly skeptical also considering i havnt heard about this at all in the scintific community but this certainly looks like a great idea. Im not so sure of its practicality on a large scale. Or a small one for that matter. Either way it should definitly be investigated further.

Could it be possible that the Na+ in solution is being catylsed into reduction to Na and then reacting with the water?

His Corkiness

My primary source of skepticism comes from the disbelief that nobody has fired radio waves at salt water before.

romanqwerty

MMM. I think we need someone here to fire radio waves at salt water. Anyone have one of those radio wave thingys?

CycloneRanger

romanqwerty wrote: »

MMM. I think we need someone here to fire radio waves at salt water. Anyone have one of those radio wave thingys?

Radio waves are everywhere. Does your radio work? Then there are radio waves in your room, and of many different frequencies. This interaction would have been noticed before, and would *certainly* have been noticed on a lesser scale. That is... it would have been noticed if it wasn't a complete fabrication.

Color me skeptical.

Senjutsu

I weep for the scientific literacy of North America.

Why in Jesus Allah Buddha would anyone buy into this hogswoggle? And the OP honestly thinks this has the ability to fight cancer too? Fucking hell.

fjafjan

Oh hey look, free energy!

The Cat

I should lock this for sheer stupidity, but I think the OP needs to be mocked more thoroughly. Also, anyone who comes in here and yells "awesome!!". I need to know who to ignore in future science discussions.

Senjutsu

It's worth reading that page just for the hilariously stupid comments, though:

nick2 Says:
June 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

At the bottom of the post you’ll notice that there is a frequency quoted:13.56 mhz My guess would be without looking at a table — that this is the frequency for platinum. Since platinum is the (expensive) catalyst for hydrogen.

I did not realize that Mr Kanzius had cancer. There has been a known cure for cancer for many years. It is in the Omega 3/Omega 6 fats consumed. I can give Mr. Kanzius exactly how to cure himself of his cancer if he would contact me

Schizophrenic nutbars of the internet, unite.

redx

CycloneRanger wrote: »

I haven't seen a pile of bullshit this steamy-fresh in a long time. Ignoring for a moment the typo-riddled paper in the link and the author's absolute lack of understanding of anything going on (and ignoring the half-assed special effects the vide tries to pass off as fact), this is still impossible. To get something combustible out of saltwater you'd either need to electrolyze the water or produce chlorine gas from the NaCl and react that with something flammable.

That, and the whole conservation-of-energy thing, but, then again, that's just a lie told by the corporate conspirators, isn't it?

Gah. How this can be taken seriously is beyond me.

I assume the oxidizing agent (or whatever) for the chlorine is, of course, the sodium. Which is a pretty violent reaction.

then it mixes with the water, remaking salt water.

wooooo magic.

just amazingly retarded.

Apothe0sis

Ahhh yes. The fabled frequency of platnium.

There's nothing I like more than rocking out to platnium, the only problem is finding a radio that can pick up 13.56 MHz

Senjutsu

Apothe0sis wrote: »

Ahhh yes. The fabled frequency of platnium.

There's nothing I like more than rocking out to platnium, the only problem is finding a radio that can pick up 13.56 MHz

I'm going to build a crystal radio (free energy!) and dial me up some gold.

MrIamMe

lol, damn, people are so gullible...I mean look at Tom Cruise and scientology.

Shurakai

So why did NBC broadcast this if it is obviously fake? Entertainment value I take it?

Though I guess I shouldn't be suprised, what with the state of american news programs.

Feral

If I had discovered something that promised to revolutionize science and industry the entire world over, I would totally post it on YouTube.

IShallRiseAgain

I heard salt water is an awesome energy drink too. The government just made up the whole causing dehydration thing, so people would drink pop with subisidized fructose instead.

Big Dookie

This reminds me of the whole Steorn fiasco a while back.

Shurakai

So what happened with that? The "Third party scientific trial" or whatever it is hasn't completed yet has it?

IloroKamou

Skepticism is understandable, but I think to discount it outright is no worse than accepting it outright. The only thing that interests me is that the flame is red, which is the color hydrogen burns. It could be that he's found a way to electrolyze the water into hydrogen and oxygen, and the Na and Cl ions may have something to do with this in conjunction with the radio waves at certain frequencies. But I don't know, I didn't read the paper, because I doubt even he understands what is going on.

Picardathon

Senjutsu wrote: »

Apothe0sis wrote: »

Ahhh yes. The fabled frequency of platnium.

There's nothing I like more than rocking out to platnium, the only problem is finding a radio that can pick up 13.56 MHz

I'm going to build a crystal radio (free energy!) and dial me up some gold.

I'm assuming that you will obtain the crystal from crystal meth?

Just increasing the number of logical fallacies.

Big Dookie

Shurakai wrote: »

So what happened with that? The "Third party scientific trial" or whatever it is hasn't completed yet has it?

Supposedly, they will be demonstrating the device in London sometime in July. Why do I have a feeling this won't happen?

Oh yeah, because it's a scam.

Veegeezee

Senjutsu wrote: »

Apothe0sis wrote: »

Ahhh yes. The fabled frequency of platnium.

There's nothing I like more than rocking out to platnium, the only problem is finding a radio that can pick up 13.56 MHz

I'm going to build a crystal radio (free energy!) and dial me up some gold.

they're referring to eigenfrequenices

but this is still retarded

Senjutsu

IloroKamou wrote: »

Skepticism is understandable, but I think to discount it outright is no worse than accepting it outright.

No, it isn't.

Look, it doesn't matter if or how he is doing what he demonstrates. This is just mindnumbingly simple stuff:

He's putting X amount of energy in to separate the water into its constituents (hydrogen, water), and getting Y amount of energy back by recombining the two ("burning water").

He's then claiming that Y > X, which means that the (Y - X) gained energy must literally have appeared out of thin air. We could take the water we just put back together and repeat the whole cycle again to gain more energy, and so on and so on. It's a perpetual motion machine.

That's not a claim that warrants an open mind. That's a claim that warrants a kick in the teeth for him and a smack upside the head for the reporter stupid enough to shoot a news piece on it.

IloroKamou

Did I say it could either cure cancer or provide free energy? That's besides the point, have you ever tried to light salt water on fire? It's an interesting phenomenon that deserves further investigation, fuck all to his supposed claims about what it can do.

Shurakai

Big Dookie wrote: »

Shurakai wrote: »

So what happened with that? The "Third party scientific trial" or whatever it is hasn't completed yet has it?

Supposedly, they will be demonstrating the device in London sometime in July. Why do I have a feeling this won't happen?

Oh yeah, because it's a scam.

It would be awesome if it was actually a functional device.

Everyone would be all "Auwhaaaaaaaaaaa?" And then crazy shit would go down.

Now I'm going to go write a science fiction short story about it.

Because really thats the only place it's going to happen.

Senjutsu

IloroKamou wrote: »

Did I say it could either cure cancer or provide free energy? That's besides the point, have you ever tried to light salt water on fire? It's an interesting phenomenon that deserves further investigation, fuck all to his supposed claims about what it can do.

Lighting salt water on fire isn't a new and interesting phenomenon, it's a high school science fair trick.

Salt water is a better conductor than fresh water. Pass a current through it and you get hydrogen coming off the tank, which you can then burn.

IloroKamou

Congratulations, that's electrolysis. This isn't that.

Senjutsu

IloroKamou wrote: »

Congratulations, that's electrolysis. This isn't that.

That isn't what this is according to a guy who thinks this is "over unity" and will cure cancer.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

Aroused Bull

"awesome!!".

IloroKamou

Sigh. Is it really that hard to understand? We get it, the man's scientific theory may be a little shaky...he's attempting to cure cancer with salt water. He's crazy. I'm glad we got that out of the way. I'm not defending his claims that it is evidence of either a cure for cancer OR free energy. So can you fucking drop it?

All I'm saying is that if he is in fact lighting salt water on fire using only radio waves, then this is clearly not electrolysis "proper" and thus deserves further investigation, so that we might understand what is happening here. We don't understand everything there is to know about EM waves, and this might open up new avenues of research. That's it. You're discounting it outright because he said "cure cancer" and "free energy". I'm saying I don't give a fuck what he thinks it can do, I want to know why it does.

EWom

I like the video. But then again, I'm a big fan of burning (nonliving) things. So I think I like most videos where things light on fire.

I'm a big believer in Soylent Fuel. It's a lot like bio-diesel, only it's a much better renewable resource.

Veegeezee

EWom wrote: »

I'm a big believer in Soylent Fuel. It's a lot like bio-diesel, only it's a much better renewable resource.

it's still people!!!

EWom

Yeah but the ultimate punishment of a drunk driver or whatever, would be to become someones fuel.

Doc

It's not a fuel unless it can actually power the radio wave emitter that causes it to burn. Until then, it's like claiming the camshaft's kinetic energy is "fuel" and that it's a clean system, since the camshaft doesn't cause any pollution, and ignoring the fact that there's an engine powering it.

Veegeezee

It is valid to think of the products of electrolysis as a medium of energy storage, though. It's like a fuel you have to manufacture at cost, rather than one you can dig out of the ground and sell for profit.

That's still problematic, though, because the global costs only increase when you add the step of storing energy in the form of hydrogen. Right now, you've still gotta burn coal or oil to feasibly generate enough electricity in the first place.

Loren Michael

Holy Jesus.

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IloroKamou

electricitylikesme wrote: »

IloroKamou wrote: »

All I'm saying is that if he is in fact lighting salt water on fire using only radio waves, then this is clearly not electrolysis "proper" and thus deserves further investigation, so that we might understand what is happening here. We don't understand everything there is to know about EM waves, and this might open up new avenues of research. That's it. You're discounting it outright because he said "cure cancer" and "free energy". I'm saying I don't give a fuck what he thinks it can do, I want to know why it does.

Oh for the love of god, yes it is. Idiots love the idea of things having frequencies, and the idiots with slightly more liquidity tend to end up putting all sorts of RF frequencies through things or shooting them at things, and now and again they stumble on some unusual but not to be unexpected phenomenon.

You're essentially stating you know exactly what is going on here...so care to explain? Look, I haven't seen this myself, I have no idea if it works exactly the way he says it does. But neither do you. So if it is electrolysis achieved simply by emission of certain radio frequencies, and not via a current applied directly to the water, then it might be nice to investigate how that works. What fucking idiot looks at an unexplainable phenomenon and discounts it out of hand because the guy who discovered it happens to hold the insane belief that it cures cancer. It's a little like discounting the discovery of electricity because Ben Franklin was attempting to find a cure for syphilis.

All I'm suggesting is that it be investigated first before you so arrogantly discount it. Is that not the role of a scientist, to try to explain what we don't understand? Wtf is with this dogmatic presumption of knowledge?

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IloroKamou

electricitylikesme wrote: »

Not when we already know what it is. There are essentially two possibilities here - one is that this is plain old spectroscopy, and he happens to have found a resonant frequency. I'd rule that out because I don't know of any resonances at RF frequencies off hand (RF tends to be the domain of NMR effects which are atomic level).

What he's actually succeeding in doing is finding a frequency (possibly he's not, possibly it's a damn spark-gap type thing) where he induces enough alternating current in the salt-water (remember it's a conductor?) that a little bit of electrolysis takes place, and he's blasting enough energy at it that he can burn some of the resultant hydrogen.

It's a horrendously inefficient way to do electrolysis, but it's not what most people expect and so it seems "reasonable" to say it should be investigated.

Again, the presumption of knowledge. How can you be absolutely certain that there are only two possibilities here?