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God damn kittens.

Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
So I just got these two kittens like 3 weeks ago, they are brother and sister.
But whenever the guy kitten is awake, he always attacks his sister.
Any way to make him stop doing that shit, they meow like hell.

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    How old are they? It's pretty standard for young kittens to be playful to a fault, and to be frank, if you let them keep bonding, they'll be a lot more fun together as old kitties.

    Unless...is the attacking actually vicious, with the intent to harm?

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    Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Thats a good point actually. I'll watch em too see if they are attacking.
    thanks.

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    Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Keep in mind I know squat about raising kittens,

    but so long as neither one is being overly aggressive, I would let them play. A stern yell and a light tap on the nose if they get too rough should work, or maybe a water bottle?

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    At that age, if you get -really- worried, just -pet- them both.

    They'll be distracted from fighting but will likely associate being together with pleasant things.

    But for the most part, let'em wrassle. They're -cats-.

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You want to avoid yelling at animals; it'll make them scatter when you yell for any other reason, and will just generally make them more flighty and paranoid. For dogs, you kneel down to their level and speak in a very stern tone of voice (it sounds silly, but seriously); for cats, there's not a lot you can do because they're stupid creatures. I love them to death, but they're really not very intelligent.

    If the boy really is hurting the girl a lot, yeah, you can use a water spritzer to separate them; you could also make some attempts at separating them, though that could change future behavior and, with cats, it's nearly impossible.

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    Aoi TsukiAoi Tsuki Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The problem is not cats being too stupid to discipline so much as cats tending to do whatever the hell they want; they're not as eager to please as dogs, so if you think the boy is really hurting his sister - unlikely at a young age, unless he's being a real asshole - separate them at night and/or keep the squirt bottles handy to break things up.

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It's a combination. They don't have the pack instincts that dogs do, and they are, generally, not as intelligent, so training them to any degree is almost impossible, and trying to get a cat to stop attacking another one is basically the same. But yeah, I'd be absolutely sure that it's actual violence...kitties are pretty ferocious players sometimes, and to be blunt, unless I saw blood, I wouldn't worry about it at all...I don't know what to tell you about the noise, as the girl is the one making the noise and you can hardly squirt her for protesting playing, and if you squirt the boy he'll probably just be confused.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Eh.

    Using tone of voice works fine on cats.

    It's just that they have a different level of interest in what you want.

    I can usually make a cat stop whatever it's doing and sit up nice and proper by just doing a low cat-style growl.

    Also works on the dogs, actually.

    Really, you have to learn to communicate in animal language in general. Horse whispering and all that really does work, but you have to want to learn.

    It can be very rewarding. Especially when you can make a cat come over just by lifting your chin the right way.

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    cfgausscfgauss Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It's a combination. They don't have the pack instincts that dogs do, and they are, generally, not as intelligent, so training them to any degree is almost impossible, and trying to get a cat to stop attacking another one is basically the same. But yeah, I'd be absolutely sure that it's actual violence...kitties are pretty ferocious players sometimes, and to be blunt, unless I saw blood, I wouldn't worry about it at all...I don't know what to tell you about the noise, as the girl is the one making the noise and you can hardly squirt her for protesting playing, and if you squirt the boy he'll probably just be confused.

    No, this is definitely not true. They're just as smart, you can even train them like dogs. It's harder to do, but this has less to do with intelligence and more to do with personality. Even my retarded cat figured out to try to open doors with the doorknob.

    And really, if you tell a dog "hey, do you want to pull this heavy sled through freezing cold snow for weeks with little food?" He'll say "fuck yes! Let's go right now!" If you tell a cat, he'll say "no thanks, I think I'll sleep by the fire instead." Who's the smart one?

    But your cats are just playing. You shouldn't worry unless they're injuring each other.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    That's pretty much it. My parents cats will stick their claws out if they are playing with their toys but will always tuck them in when they play with each other or with us. They are smart enough not to hurt people they think are cool.

    Also cfguass is right about cats. They don't see the point of doing that you tell them to do, as far as they are concerned you're there to make them happy, dogs think the other way around.

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    3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    There is also a mandatory H/A tithe of showing us pictures of your kittens. Maybe you didn't get that memo, but we'll let it slide if you accomdate us posthaste.

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I really do not buy into that "oh-ho-ho, cats are so intelligent, look they don't do what we want".

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    AurinAurin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I really do not buy into that "oh-ho-ho, cats are so intelligent, look they don't do what we want".

    Then explain how you can train cats to do many of the same things that dogs do. Explain why my cats come when I call their names. <_< Neither cats nor dogs are stupid creatures, dogs just have more of a pack mentality than cats. Dogs want to please you, the alpha, the leader of the pack. Cats love you because you feeeed them.

    Additionally, I usually just make some loud noise when my cats look like they're trying to off one another, usually only when one of them make a pitiful noise during the epic battle of fur.

    PS. Kitten pictures!

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    SpackleSpackle Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I don't understand why intelligence is being equated TO doing what we want. How does that work? It's just conditioning the animal. You'll find your fair share of smart dogs and moronic cats who respond differently to being conditioned. Cats just tend to be more independent and stubborn, doesn't make them stupid.

    As for the noise thing, my kitten meows a lot, but mostly for attention as opposed to my other cats that will just jump on my lap if they want some lovin'.

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    bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I really do not buy into that "oh-ho-ho, cats are so intelligent, look they don't do what we want".

    It's all a matter of indiviual animals. I have 2 cats.

    One cat can sit up, give paws and also likes to play fetch (he'll bring back the stuff to you to throw it again)

    I taught him to do that, and he'd do it all the time when I asked him. But when he started to realise that he got approval when doing those things, he switched the game right around. Which is to say he'll only do it if he wants something from me, be it food or attention. But there's no way he's doing any of it if he's not feeling like it.

    The other cat is dumb as a brick.

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    LadyMLadyM Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Dogs are descended from pack animals and are naturally inclined to please their leader. Cats, being descended from solitary animals, are motivated to please themselves. They're smart, but you'd better have a good supply of treats on hand. (On YouTube there's a clip of someone who clicker-trained their cat to do an agility course, just like a dog.) My cats are mechanically inclined and learn on their own how to do things like open drawers, turn on faucets, and lock the deadbolt while I'm taking out the trash.

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    cfgausscfgauss Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    LadyM wrote: »
    and lock the deadbolt while I'm taking out the trash.

    Hahaha, your cats are assholes. I can just imagine them partying knowing they've got the house to themselves now.

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    misbehavinmisbehavin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I woke up one morning with my phone off the hook and the operator going "hello? hello?" and my cat meowing right into the mouth piece.

    I didn't know what to do. I was scared.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It's normal for kittens to fight each other a lot, it's how they learn how to hunt and defend themselves. Kittens' claws and teeth are still pretty small, so they can't do much real harm. When they're play-fighting they also tend not to bite down hard, just nip each other. If you see one really being mean to the other or think it's getting out of hand, feel free to break it up.

    If they tend to nip or bite you, you should train them not to do that.

    They usually mellow out as they get bigger.

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    ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    3lwap0 wrote: »
    There is also a mandatory H/A tithe of showing us pictures of your kittens. Maybe you didn't get that memo, but we'll let it slide if you accomdate us posthaste.


    Indeed. This thread is useless without pics.

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    panksea06panksea06 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    3lwap0 wrote: »
    There is also a mandatory H/A tithe of showing us pictures of your kittens. Maybe you didn't get that memo, but we'll let it slide if you accomdate us posthaste.


    Indeed. This thread is useless without pics.

    So true. I just scolled through the 10 posts waiting for images, and none were to be had.

    Shame on you poster, shame on you.

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    WerrickWerrick Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So I just got these two kittens like 3 weeks ago, they are brother and sister.
    But whenever the guy kitten is awake, he always attacks his sister.
    Any way to make him stop doing that shit, they meow like hell.

    Two words I cannot stress enough...

    Squirt Bottle.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    There was a thread with cat discipline ideas somewhat recently, wasn't there? My friend's family got 3 kittens a year or so ago, and he managed to train them by blowing gently on their faces. They quickly figured out that that was a punishment, and react quite well to it now. It's the easiest and most effective way of disciplining cats I've personally seen in action.

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    HallucinogenHallucinogen Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It's funny how many of your guys' cats choose to be selfish with what they've learned. For some reason my cat liked to help me out. If I slept through my alarm, my cat would give me 3 minutes before he'd wake me up, but only on school days, he knew better than to wake me up on my days off. Somehow he also managed to figure out what days were school days and which weren't, and woke me even if I forgot to set my alarm. Weird. He also liked opening my washroom door while I was in it. I changed it to a round knob.

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    FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    It's funny how many of your guys' cats choose to be selfish with what they've learned. For some reason my cat liked to help me out. If I slept through my alarm, my cat would give me 3 minutes before he'd wake me up, but only on school days, he knew better than to wake me up on my days off. Somehow he also managed to figure out what days were school days and which weren't, and woke me even if I forgot to set my alarm. Weird. He also liked opening my washroom door while I was in it. I changed it to a round knob.

    One of our cats liked to get me up by jumping off the loft bed above me and landing on my back.

    One day she missed/jumped too far and cut open my face :P I think cats are aware of what you're up to.

    Also, are these kittens old enough to be fixed yet?

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    WerrickWerrick Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Standard used to be 6 months old, but I've seen it as young as three and, in some cases with the Humane Society, 10 weeks.

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    LadyMLadyM Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    My kitty boys were done at eight weeks old. Young animals recover more quickly . . . My kitties were playing like normal the following day and never gave a sign that they noticed anything missing.

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    Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    House cats are not naturally social or 'pack' animals, and consequently the areas of their brain related to social interaction are quite a bit less developed than the same areas in dogs. The reason a cat is more difficult to train than a dog is because it has a lot more difficulty understanding what you want them to do, and also to anticipate the effects of its own actions on you. So the disciplinary techniques that work on dogs - stern words, acting angry, or whatever - don't work so well on cats, because they're not as likely to understand that you're angry, or what about.
    Instead, you should do something that causes immediate displeasure to the cats. I suggest buying one of those very small water-pistols and squirting the cats with it whenever they fight. That way, they'll pretty quickly associate fighting with getting wet, and stop doing it.

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    BobCescaBobCesca Is a girl Birmingham, UKRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    ArrBeeBee wrote: »
    House cats are not naturally social or 'pack' animals, and consequently the areas of their brain related to social interaction are quite a bit less developed than the same areas in dogs. The reason a cat is more difficult to train than a dog is because it has a lot more difficulty understanding what you want them to do, and also to anticipate the effects of its own actions on you. So the disciplinary techniques that work on dogs - stern words, acting angry, or whatever - don't work so well on cats, because they're not as likely to understand that you're angry, or what about.

    My kittens know exactly what I'm angry about when I use stern words and act a little angry at them...they then come up and look all hurt and sad so they get hugs...cunning creatures that they are.


    We've found that at first clapping when they did something bad worked, and when they got used to that we hiss at them. They know that if they get hissed and there's an angry voice it's time to get off the kitchen counter pretty damm quickly!

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    Zeeb!Zeeb! Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Blowing directly onto a cat when it's misbehaving is supposed to be as effective as squirting with a water bottle. When my cats are wrestling and it seems to be getting a little rough, I do that to the most aggressive one and it always seems to dissipate the conflict.

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