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Can we leech? As long as you aren't accessing the other PCs on the network, if you see a network in a public place that has no security, are you within your right to go for it?
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Well, it is technically stealing. I don't know the official legal stance, but you are essentially taking something that is not yours, and justifying it by "it was not secure" is similar to trespassing into your neighbor's pool because the gate wasn't padlocked.
You really shouldn't IMO, its one thing if you are sending off a quick email and need internet, but I've known people in apartments who leeched for years off thier neighboors unsecured wiresless (and did some fairly heavy downloading too... poor bastards were probably wondering why thier connection was so slow)
Edit - Noticed the 'public place'... well what defines a public place? I'm in NYC a lot, so pretty much anyplace that could be considered 'public' could be in range of someone home network.
I've wondered this as well. I have my wireless unsecured because mine was one of the first houses in this area, but the block has filled in since. I should probably check to see if I'm supplying someone else, and look at securing that bitch.
Well, it is technically stealing. I don't know the official legal stance, but you are essentially taking something that is not yours, and justifying it by "it was not secure" is similar to trespassing into your neighbor's pool because the gate wasn't padlocked.
Limed and QFT.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited July 2007
Not securing your connection is the dumbest thing you can do. For god's sakes I'm pretty sure every router comes with a disc that will wizard you through putting a simple password on it. That is enough for 99% of people.
I don't think there are specific laws against it but I could be wrong. I think it still falls into a legal "gray" area.
There are a few counties/cities/towns with it being illegal, but I really don't know how well it would hold up if they ever tested it. You are broadcasting a low level RF signal, and much like your trash put out to the road it is in most places public property.
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Zxerolfor the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't doso i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered Userregular
edited July 2007
There have been cases where leechers have been prosecuted.
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
It's more secure then a basic password. I don't recall ever hearing that encryption can negatively effect network performance.
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Zxerolfor the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't doso i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered Userregular
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
MAC addresses can be spoofed so easily, this is pretty much the same as not securing your network at all.
Not securing your connection is the dumbest thing you can do. For god's sakes I'm pretty sure every router comes with a disc that will wizard you through putting a simple password on it. That is enough for 99% of people.
Hell my, Linksys has a button on the front of it that if pressed, it automatically configures to WPA encryption.
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
MAC addresses can be spoofed so easily, this is pretty much the same as not securing your network at all.
And would require someone to know my device's MAC Address.
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
MAC addresses can be spoofed so easily, this is pretty much the same as not securing your network at all.
I'd like to point out that this is true. It's much easier to spoof a MAC address then it is to crack the encryption. Personally I use both.
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
It's more secure then a basic password. I don't recall ever hearing that encryption can negatively effect network performance.
I know that WPA almost halves your performance on certain devices.
How would you go about enabling MAC address filtering?
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
It's more secure then a basic password. I don't recall ever hearing that encryption can negatively effect network performance.
I know that WPA almost halves your performance on certain devices.
How would you go about enabling MAC address filtering?
Log into your router and go to the security tab. The login will be slightly different from brand to brand. Just google it.
Turn off SSID and change the default key, at the very least.
When I got my wireless router a couple of months ago, I forgot to do this since I was in a rush to go somewhere. Got back literally 30 minutes later and about 4 people in my vicinity had already used my connection, ranging from simple net browsing to what looked like hardcore kind of stuff.
Worst thing was that I knew all of the people who had used my connection since I was the one who set up their computers and in some cases built them.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal and I know there have been cases involving the matter.
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
It's more secure then a basic password. I don't recall ever hearing that encryption can negatively effect network performance.
I know that WPA almost halves your performance on certain devices.
How would you go about enabling MAC address filtering?
There should be a menu on your router that lists the MAC addresses allowed to access your network.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited July 2007
I always laugh when I find an unsecured network with all of the default info still in place. I giggle and think to myself "I could lock you out of your own network if I really wanted to be a dick."
Well, it is technically stealing. I don't know the official legal stance, but you are essentially taking something that is not yours, and justifying it by "it was not secure" is similar to trespassing into your neighbor's pool because the gate wasn't padlocked.
Limed and QFT.
I disagree with this. It's more like leaving a table of candy out by the road. Or in a park that you live near. With no message or anything. Just a table with a bowl of candy on it.
I don't think there are specific laws against it but I could be wrong. I think it still falls into a legal "gray" area.
There are a few counties/cities/towns with it being illegal, but I really don't know how well it would hold up if they ever tested it. You are broadcasting a low level RF signal, and much like your trash put out to the road it is in most places public property.
I think, actually, that if the case were to come up, precident would be more akin to power or cable lines.
These lines go outside of your home, but that doesn't mean that it's legal for others to tap into them.
Garbage is different because, by putting it out, you are declaring that you are giving up ownership of it.
Well, it is technically stealing. I don't know the official legal stance, but you are essentially taking something that is not yours, and justifying it by "it was not secure" is similar to trespassing into your neighbor's pool because the gate wasn't padlocked.
Limed and QFT.
I disagree with this. It's more like leaving a table of candy out by the road. Or in a park that you live near. With no message or anything. Just a table with a bowl of candy on it.
FYI, don't eat that candy.
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I ain't never crossed a man who didn't deserve it. - Artis Ivey Jr.
I don't think there are specific laws against it but I could be wrong. I think it still falls into a legal "gray" area.
There are a few counties/cities/towns with it being illegal, but I really don't know how well it would hold up if they ever tested it. You are broadcasting a low level RF signal, and much like your trash put out to the road it is in most places public property.
I think, actually, that if the case were to come up, precident would be more akin to power or cable lines.
These lines go outside of your home, but that doesn't mean that it's legal for others to tap into them.
Garbage is different because, by putting it out, you are declaring that you are giving up ownership of it.
Most likely this is how the courts would see it, but it is an RF signal over the public spectrum. The grey area as it is right now has no legal protection (in most places) for this signal, even though the real "theft" as it is is the bandwidth.
Basically, I am agreeing with everyone else in saying that its not something one should do. It isn't illegal (yet) in a lot of places, but it probably will be.
Oh, and for the record, my network is completely open. I am surrround on all sides by an acre of dense forest. Anyone who needs a little bandwidth in the woods and can get a signal, more power to them. :P
Well, it is technically stealing. I don't know the official legal stance, but you are essentially taking something that is not yours, and justifying it by "it was not secure" is similar to trespassing into your neighbor's pool because the gate wasn't padlocked.
Limed and QFT.
I disagree with this. It's more like leaving a table of candy out by the road. Or in a park that you live near. With no message or anything. Just a table with a bowl of candy on it.
FYI, don't eat that candy.
Dammit, how I am going to make Natural Selection apply to people now!
Well, it is technically stealing. I don't know the official legal stance, but you are essentially taking something that is not yours, and justifying it by "it was not secure" is similar to trespassing into your neighbor's pool because the gate wasn't padlocked.
Limed and QFT.
I disagree with this. It's more like leaving a table of candy out by the road. Or in a park that you live near. With no message or anything. Just a table with a bowl of candy on it.
FYI, don't eat that candy.
Dammit, how I am going to make Natural Selection apply to people now!
Bear traps and "Free Beer" signs.
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I ain't never crossed a man who didn't deserve it. - Artis Ivey Jr.
I always laugh when I find an unsecured network with all of the default info still in place. I giggle and think to myself "I could lock you out of your own network if I really wanted to be a dick."
I always think this as well. Some people just make it too easy.
I always laugh when I find an unsecured network with all of the default info still in place. I giggle and think to myself "I could lock you out of your own network if I really wanted to be a dick."
I always think this as well. Some people just make it too easy.
Yes, but all they would have to do is hard reset the router. Big woop. Now if you have physical control over it, and use it to have some fun with your family members...
When I got my wireless router a couple of months ago, I forgot to do this since I was in a rush to go somewhere. Got back literally 30 minutes later and about 4 people in my vicinity had already used my connection, ranging from simple net browsing to what looked like hardcore kind of stuff.
How does one go about figuring out what random people connecting to your network are using your connection for?
When I got my wireless router a couple of months ago, I forgot to do this since I was in a rush to go somewhere. Got back literally 30 minutes later and about 4 people in my vicinity had already used my connection, ranging from simple net browsing to what looked like hardcore kind of stuff.
How does one go about figuring out what random people connecting to your network are using your connection for?
You can pretty much assume they're using it for porn.
I always laugh when I find an unsecured network with all of the default info still in place. I giggle and think to myself "I could lock you out of your own network if I really wanted to be a dick."
I always think this as well. Some people just make it too easy.
Yes, but all they would have to do is hard reset the router. Big woop. Now if you have physical control over it, and use it to have some fun with your family members...
If the mouthbreather can't secure his network or change the damned default password, there's no way in hell he can find the reset button.
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Zxerolfor the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't doso i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered Userregular
My favorite way of securing my wireless network is not by encrypting the signal, but instead by whitelisting MAC Adresses. Any MAC Address of a computer not entered into a list on my router cannot connect to the network. I believe this is an advantage to other networks due to possibly better network performance without encryption? That could be in my imagination though.
MAC addresses can be spoofed so easily, this is pretty much the same as not securing your network at all.
And would require someone to know my device's MAC Address.
I always laugh when I find an unsecured network with all of the default info still in place. I giggle and think to myself "I could lock you out of your own network if I really wanted to be a dick."
I always think this as well. Some people just make it too easy.
Seriously. If you have wireless internet and don't know what people are talking about in this thread you should go here.
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Edit - Noticed the 'public place'... well what defines a public place? I'm in NYC a lot, so pretty much anyplace that could be considered 'public' could be in range of someone home network.
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Limed and QFT.
There are a few counties/cities/towns with it being illegal, but I really don't know how well it would hold up if they ever tested it. You are broadcasting a low level RF signal, and much like your trash put out to the road it is in most places public property.
It's more secure then a basic password. I don't recall ever hearing that encryption can negatively effect network performance.
MAC addresses can be spoofed so easily, this is pretty much the same as not securing your network at all.
Hell my, Linksys has a button on the front of it that if pressed, it automatically configures to WPA encryption.
And would require someone to know my device's MAC Address.
I'd like to point out that this is true. It's much easier to spoof a MAC address then it is to crack the encryption. Personally I use both.
This only works if they are in the car as well. You aren't taking their internet from them, you are sharing it without permission.
How would you go about enabling MAC address filtering?
Log into your router and go to the security tab. The login will be slightly different from brand to brand. Just google it.
Illegal acts are still illegal when they are acomplished by taking advange of the victim's stupidity.
When I got my wireless router a couple of months ago, I forgot to do this since I was in a rush to go somewhere. Got back literally 30 minutes later and about 4 people in my vicinity had already used my connection, ranging from simple net browsing to what looked like hardcore kind of stuff.
Worst thing was that I knew all of the people who had used my connection since I was the one who set up their computers and in some cases built them.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal and I know there have been cases involving the matter.
There should be a menu on your router that lists the MAC addresses allowed to access your network.
I disagree with this. It's more like leaving a table of candy out by the road. Or in a park that you live near. With no message or anything. Just a table with a bowl of candy on it.
I think, actually, that if the case were to come up, precident would be more akin to power or cable lines.
These lines go outside of your home, but that doesn't mean that it's legal for others to tap into them.
Garbage is different because, by putting it out, you are declaring that you are giving up ownership of it.
FYI, don't eat that candy.
Most likely this is how the courts would see it, but it is an RF signal over the public spectrum. The grey area as it is right now has no legal protection (in most places) for this signal, even though the real "theft" as it is is the bandwidth.
Basically, I am agreeing with everyone else in saying that its not something one should do. It isn't illegal (yet) in a lot of places, but it probably will be.
Oh, and for the record, my network is completely open. I am surrround on all sides by an acre of dense forest. Anyone who needs a little bandwidth in the woods and can get a signal, more power to them. :P
This, while true, holds no meaning in the eyes of the law. Not knowing whether or not something is illegal is no defense.
I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while.
Dammit, how I am going to make Natural Selection apply to people now!
I am a freaking nerd.
They'll never take me alive!
Bear traps and "Free Beer" signs.
I always think this as well. Some people just make it too easy.
Yes, but all they would have to do is hard reset the router. Big woop. Now if you have physical control over it, and use it to have some fun with your family members...
How does one go about figuring out what random people connecting to your network are using your connection for?
You can pretty much assume they're using it for porn.
If the mouthbreather can't secure his network or change the damned default password, there's no way in hell he can find the reset button.
Which, on a wifi network, is very easy to get.