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A good, pre-built PC? Really?

TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Games and Technology
So a friend of mine was saving some money to build himself a PC. He was actually going to get a few friends (including me) to build it, since he's not especially good with that kind of thing.
But in a recent Futureshop flyer, he insists he found a pre-made PC that isn't a ripoff.

The specs are as follows.
AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4000+
2GB DDR2 memory.
250GB SATA HDD
DVD burner w/ lightscribe
GeForce 6150 SE
A '15-in-1' card reader, as well as obviously having USB 2.0
Vista Premium
It includes a 19" widescreen LCD monitor.

The price? $800 CAD (plus tax)
He intends to play games on it. Largely CS:S.
Should he buy this, or can he get a better deal custom building something?
Edit: Oh, and it's Compaq, not Dell. If it were Dell, I'd advise him strongly against it.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    He'd get more bang for his buck going custom. That 6150 SE isn't exactly a powerhouse.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    "15-in-1" card reader?

    ...are there seriously 15 different formats of memory cards? That's ridiculous.

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    That integrated video is what kills it. Everything else is decent, especially if it comes with a monitor.

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  • brynstarbrynstar Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I agree with Monoxide, that video card is not going to do a whole lot in the realm of gaming. It's a very low end card, compared to the rest of Nvidia's lineup. The rest of the machine seems solid.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    "15-in-1" card reader?

    ...are there seriously 15 different formats of memory cards? That's ridiculous.

    There's at least twenty-one.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    "15-in-1" card reader?

    ...are there seriously 15 different formats of memory cards? That's ridiculous.
    It set my bullshit detector off. If it really works though, it's not bad.
    He'd get more bang for his buck going custom. That 6150 SE isn't exactly a powerhouse.
    Could he swap it out for something better after the fact?
    Also, suggestions for alternatives, especially custom parts, are very welcome.

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    There isn't any "swapping out" since the 6150 is integrated into the motherboard's chipset. So long as there is a spare PCI-E slot open, you can plug in a discrete video solution.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Zxerol wrote: »
    There isn't any "swapping out" since the 6150 is integrated into the motherboard's chipset. So long as there is a spare PCI-E slot open, you can plug in a discrete video solution.
    Okay, didn't know the 6150 was integrated. I just assumed it was a lowend card.

    Thanks for the assistance guys.

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  • capable heartcapable heart Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You should probably just go with a built-from-scratch one so that you can change or add things if you ever need to over-haul the thing.

    1. You don't have to worry about the case not fitting something if you want to upgrade later on. Proprietary designs and limited PCI slots, limited SATA ports, limited powersupply, all suck ass. And not in the good way.

    2. You'll actually have a REAL DISC with an operating system on it, not some "restore" disc.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    What kind of motherboard does it have? If it has one w/ a PCI-E 16x slot, then you could put another card in and disable the integrated graphics.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You should probably just go with a built-from-scratch one so that you can change or add things if you ever need to over-haul the thing.

    1. You don't have to worry about the case not fitting something if you want to upgrade later on. Proprietary designs and limited PCI slots, limited SATA ports, limited powersupply, all suck ass. And not in the good way.

    2. You'll actually have a REAL DISC with an operating system on it, not some "restore" disc.
    Yeah, I'm going to see if I can design him something good for a comparable price. To be honest, the best things I see about the deal are the monitor and Vista being included for that price, mainly because of how much they individually cost.
    What kind of motherboard does it have? If it has one w/ a PCI-E 16x slot, then you could put another card in and disable the integrated graphics.
    I'm going down to Futureshop with him tomorrow to get more details, including that. The main reasons I'm going is that he doesn't understand much about all that, and to make sure he doesn't buy it then and there.
    I'll probably report back here with my findings.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    If it is a custom power supply then you might have to pass on it. You will not be able to reliably use anything fancier than a 7600GT.

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  • DritzDritz CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I can't justify the whole custom PC thing these days when you almost always get a kickass free monitor if you get a pre-built one. RAM for some reason also seems much cheaper when you get it with a pre-built computer but that could just me living in Canada and not having a real good source for RAM that doesn't cost a fortune in shipping (tigerdirect sucks).

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  • bobmyknobbobmyknob 3DS Friend Code 4553-9974-2186 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    As a bit of a derailing of the thread - when a mobo has integrated video, is it possible to plug in a PCI-E card and have the integrated video run a secondary monitor while the PCI-E card runs the primary monitor? I know most cards nowadays will run two anyways, just something that I've been curious about.

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  • devoirdevoir Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think you have to choose which one is actually operational in the BIOS... I could be wrong.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Dritz wrote: »
    I can't justify the whole custom PC thing these days when you almost always get a kickass free monitor if you get a pre-built one. RAM for some reason also seems much cheaper when you get it with a pre-built computer but that could just me living in Canada and not having a real good source for RAM that doesn't cost a fortune in shipping (tigerdirect sucks).
    The problem is that these cost effective pre-built computers are not made with gaming in mind. So you are using them for something they were never intended for, and the results are not always pretty. You can always build a gaming machine for about the same money and just reuse your old monitor, or pick up an old one down at the local Goodwill.

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  • EtelmikEtelmik Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It's always cheaper to make it yourself--you're paying for the service, after all.

    However, there are decent gaming PCs build premade, especially for a good monitor and or RAM upgrade. If you can' t get those, I'd say pass. I got a P4 3.0 with a gig of Ram and an ATI X600. I bought an X800 XL to replace the X600. I sold the X600, and at the end of it all I got the PC for under $1,000. This was in 2005; it was able to play UT2k4 on max settings, CS:S on high settings, and Quake 4 and Call of Duty 2 on high settings, all games which I played on multiplayer.

    If you don't know how to build, or you want a legit copy of Windows, and you need a good amount of Ram or a decent monitor, you're not necessarily screwed.

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  • DritzDritz CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Dritz wrote: »
    I can't justify the whole custom PC thing these days when you almost always get a kickass free monitor if you get a pre-built one. RAM for some reason also seems much cheaper when you get it with a pre-built computer but that could just me living in Canada and not having a real good source for RAM that doesn't cost a fortune in shipping (tigerdirect sucks).
    The problem is that these cost effective pre-built computers are not made with gaming in mind. So you are using them for something they were never intended for, and the results are not always pretty. You can always build a gaming machine for about the same money and just reuse your old monitor, or pick up an old one down at the local Goodwill.

    He didn't say it was a gaming PC, although I guess I should have assumed considering where we are. Personally I don't use a computer for gaming at all so a good monitor and RAM is a big plus for me. Speaking of RAM someoone correct me on it seemingly being cheaper on pre-built computers I know it shouldn't be but any source I can find to buy it has it for a pretty expensive price or with high shipping.

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  • EvangirEvangir Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It's cheaper in pre-built computers because you get cheap, generic RAM.

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    "15-in-1" card reader?

    ...are there seriously 15 different formats of memory cards? That's ridiculous.

    I think my card reader advertised itself as 49-in-1, or something like that.

    You can reffer to each of the card types by all of their individual names, and probably hit fifty.

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  • DritzDritz CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Evangir wrote: »
    It's cheaper in pre-built computers because you get cheap, generic RAM.

    Not to expose my ignorance but RAM is pretty much RAM isn't it? I know there is bad RAM out there and maybe cheap, generic RAM has a higher chance of being bad but if everything is alright it's the same as any other (of the same type) RAM.

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  • EvangirEvangir Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Dritz wrote: »
    Evangir wrote: »
    It's cheaper in pre-built computers because you get cheap, generic RAM.

    Not to expose my ignorance but RAM is pretty much RAM isn't it? I know there is bad RAM out there and maybe cheap, generic RAM has a higher chance of being bad but if everything is alright it's the same as any other (of the same type) RAM.

    Generic RAM has a much higher failure rate, and good RAM is cheap as hell anyway.

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  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Evangir wrote: »
    Dritz wrote: »
    Evangir wrote: »
    It's cheaper in pre-built computers because you get cheap, generic RAM.

    Not to expose my ignorance but RAM is pretty much RAM isn't it? I know there is bad RAM out there and maybe cheap, generic RAM has a higher chance of being bad but if everything is alright it's the same as any other (of the same type) RAM.

    Generic RAM has a much higher failure rate, and good RAM is cheap as hell anyway.

    That and it most likely has very wide timings set.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Evander wrote: »
    "15-in-1" card reader?

    ...are there seriously 15 different formats of memory cards? That's ridiculous.

    I think my card reader advertised itself as 49-in-1, or something like that.

    You can reffer to each of the card types by all of their individual names, and probably hit fifty.

    CF
    SD
    XD
    SmartMedia
    and then 46 types of Sony MemorySticks.

    Sounds about right.

    I hate how these BS card readers try to sound all the better than each other by advertising ridiculous numbers of compatible cards. Just tell me how many different slots you have for the generic type, because I really don't need to know that you read SD and MMC cards as two types, because they're going to go in the same slot because they're practically the SAME CARD. You don't have 15 or 21 or 49 slots, you're not a 15 in 1 card reader. At most you're 5 or 6. Perhaps if you are special, then an extra 1 or 2 for micro and mini SD cards so I don't need to carry an adapter with me.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I've always bought pre-made PCs based on whatever deals are going on at the time, and upgraded them later. For the past 2 years or so I've been using a System Max PC. I still haven't heard of them outside of the fact that I've been using one of their computers for a couple years. But it was cheap, and I could move over all the decent parts of my previous PC, and there you go. Lack of decent video and wireless is the only real concern, but then, custom PCs lack them too until you put them in there. Then stuff like harddrives and ram can always be upgraded later.

    Easier to get, less likely to have things go wrong, and maybe cheaper. I've never had an issue with getting pre-builts.

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