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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I asked for mully to bring up the studies on transgendered brains so I could look at it instead of taking your word for it.
If a rodent with functional male genitals is deprived of androgens immediately after birth (either by castration or by the administration of a compound that blocks androgens), male sexual behavior, such as mounting, will be reduced, and more female sexual behavior, such as lordosis (arching of the back when receptive to coitus), will be expressed.
Fantastic! That's a lot of stuff, so I'll read through it in the morning. Unless there is anything pressing you want to summarize from those various studies.
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Okay, Tobasco. So, crazy man who has been proven to have killed 79 people in the space of three days. We know that he's fucking insane, that's why he is locked up in the psych ward in a nice jacket that makes him hug himself. Do you have a problem with giving him antipsychotics so that he's at least somewhat manageable?
Or are you just against it in everyday life? In which case, I agree to a point. They are prescribed to frequently, especially to children, but they aren't always bad. If it wasn't for concerta, I would be having a hell of a time in school.
I am just of the opinion that altering your brain chemicals every day to make you a "better person" tends to do more harm to people than good. It obviously works for some people, but I think it also hurts a lot of people as well.
Uh, you understand that some people have brain chemistry that is out of whack and without some tinkering bad things can happen? Anyway, I should stay out of this probably. Just trust me, competent psychiatric help is not to be undervalued or dismissed. There are good doctors out there.
Okay, Tobasco. So, crazy man who has been proven to have killed 79 people in the space of three days. We know that he's fucking insane, that's why he is locked up in the psych ward in a nice jacket that makes him hug himself. Do you have a problem with giving him antipsychotics so that he's at least somewhat manageable?
Or are you just against it in everyday life? In which case, I agree to a point. They are prescribed to frequently, especially to children, but they aren't always bad. If it wasn't for concerta, I would be having a hell of a time in school.
I am just of the opinion that altering your brain chemicals every day to make you a "better person" tends to do more harm to people than good. It obviously works for some people, but I think it also hurts a lot of people as well.
Uh, you understand that some people have brain chemistry that is out of whack and without some tinkering bad things can happen? Anyway, I should stay out of this probably. Just trust me, competent psychiatric help is not to be undervalued or dismissed. There are good doctors out there.
I legitimately think you cannot argue with his statement.
Psychotherapy and psychiatric drugs are complete bullshit that help with nothing.
Are you a Scientologist
No, I'm an atheist. I believe in science. And there is no science behind psychotherapy. I changed my major from Psychology to Philosophy when I learned how much of it was just lame guesswork with no scientific backing.
People are quite predictable.
Psychology is guesswork yes, but guesswork based on, you know, years and years of studying humanity and its flaws.
True, but I think a lot of what they take as fact is bullshit. The worst beef I have is with psych meds. I've been put on them twice in my life, both times with disastrous results.
BECAUSE WHAT APPLIES TO YOU APPLIES TO EVERYBODY
The way the DSM-IV is written, it should apply to everyone. This is the biggest problem I have with it. Take some psych classes, you'll see exactly what I mean. Messing with brain chemicals under the guise that you know what your doing is just wrong.
If the DSM-V was written so that it applied to everybody it would suggest that the patient should try to keep breathing. Because other than that, fucking nothing applies to everybody.
Do you not fucking understand that everybody is basically biochemically different, with different metabolic rates, and different abilities to absorb different drugs.
The effectiveness of every drug we use is a curve. Effective drugs have the majority of the poipulation in the middle of the curve, but there are still those who are going to be in the outlying sections and not have it work very fucking well for them.
You don't get to write off a medical profession as bullshit when you know fucking nothing about what you are talking about.
I asked for mully to bring up the studies on transgendered brains so I could look at it instead of taking your word for it.
If a rodent with functional male genitals is deprived of androgens immediately after birth (either by castration or by the administration of a compound that blocks androgens), male sexual behavior, such as mounting, will be reduced, and more female sexual behavior, such as lordosis (arching of the back when receptive to coitus), will be expressed.
Fantastic! That's a lot of stuff, so I'll read through it in the morning. Unless there is anything pressing you want to summarize from those various studies.
Nah, it's all pretty interesting.
The most interesting is quoted, I feel - but that's not the technical stuff.
Okay, Tobasco. So, crazy man who has been proven to have killed 79 people in the space of three days. We know that he's fucking insane, that's why he is locked up in the psych ward in a nice jacket that makes him hug himself. Do you have a problem with giving him antipsychotics so that he's at least somewhat manageable?
Or are you just against it in everyday life? In which case, I agree to a point. They are prescribed to frequently, especially to children, but they aren't always bad. If it wasn't for concerta, I would be having a hell of a time in school.
I am just of the opinion that altering your brain chemicals every day to make you a "better person" tends to do more harm to people than good. It obviously works for some people, but I think it also hurts a lot of people as well.
Uh, you understand that some people have brain chemistry that is out of whack and without some tinkering bad things can happen? Anyway, I should stay out of this probably. Just trust me, competent psychiatric help is not to be undervalued or dismissed. There are good doctors out there.
There are some good doctors out there, but altering brain chemicals should be a last ditch maneuver, when no other therapy can work. Anti-depressants are ridiculously easy to get. I didn't even ask for them and I was prescribed them. That's pretty terrible.
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Life is too important to be taken seriously.
-Oscar Wilde
Psychotherapy and psychiatric drugs are complete bullshit that help with nothing.
Are you a Scientologist
No, I'm an atheist. I believe in science. And there is no science behind psychotherapy. I changed my major from Psychology to Philosophy when I learned how much of it was just lame guesswork with no scientific backing.
People are quite predictable.
Psychology is guesswork yes, but guesswork based on, you know, years and years of studying humanity and its flaws.
True, but I think a lot of what they take as fact is bullshit. The worst beef I have is with psych meds. I've been put on them twice in my life, both times with disastrous results.
BECAUSE WHAT APPLIES TO YOU APPLIES TO EVERYBODY
The way the DSM-IV is written, it should apply to everyone. This is the biggest problem I have with it. Take some psych classes, you'll see exactly what I mean. Messing with brain chemicals under the guise that you know what your doing is just wrong.
If the DSM-V was written so that it applied to everybody it would suggest that the patient should try to keep breathing. Because other than that, fucking nothing applies to everybody.
Do you not fucking understand that everybody is basically biochemically different, with different metabolic rates, and different abilities to absorb different drugs.
The effectiveness of every drug we use is a curve. Effective drugs have the majority of the poipulation in the middle of the curve, but there are still those who are going to be in the outlying sections and not have it work very fucking well for them.
You don't get to write off a medical profession as bullshit when you know fucking nothing about what you are talking about.
As someone who was a psych major for 2 years and a patient for many more than that, I can assure you that most psychologists say things like, "Well the DSM here says I should give you Prozac because you lack motivation, so we'll just make you an appointment with the psychiatrist to get you some."
Tabasco on
Life is too important to be taken seriously.
-Oscar Wilde
Okay, Tobasco. So, crazy man who has been proven to have killed 79 people in the space of three days. We know that he's fucking insane, that's why he is locked up in the psych ward in a nice jacket that makes him hug himself. Do you have a problem with giving him antipsychotics so that he's at least somewhat manageable?
Or are you just against it in everyday life? In which case, I agree to a point. They are prescribed to frequently, especially to children, but they aren't always bad. If it wasn't for concerta, I would be having a hell of a time in school.
I am just of the opinion that altering your brain chemicals every day to make you a "better person" tends to do more harm to people than good. It obviously works for some people, but I think it also hurts a lot of people as well.
Uh, you understand that some people have brain chemistry that is out of whack and without some tinkering bad things can happen? Anyway, I should stay out of this probably. Just trust me, competent psychiatric help is not to be undervalued or dismissed. There are good doctors out there.
There are some good doctors out there, but altering brain chemicals should be a last ditch maneuver, when no other therapy can work. Anti-depressants are ridiculously easy to get. I didn't even ask for them and I was prescribed them. That's pretty terrible.
That doesn't mean that everybody is gonna flip out. And like Noom said, it's impossible to apply this shit to everyone. And let's go with another common example, one that I can relate to: ADHD. Does therapy work? Sometimes. Are meds prescribed to help with therapy, or on their own if therapy doesn't work? Yes. Do these have big bad side effects on people who actually need them, because their brain chemistry is different from everyone else's? Very rarely.
The point is, you obviously didn't need the pills. That doesn't make the pills bad, it doesn't mean everyone who prescribes them is bad, it means that the guy who prescribed them for you was wrong.
EDIT: This coming from a kid who's been seeing a psychologist off and on since kindergarten, so about 12 years, and was recently told by the same doctor that I have some form of Asberger's and Tourette's-like symptoms. He apparently diagnosed these when I was younger, and told my mom but not me.
Alright.. so.. lets say for instance that he was clinically diagnosed as a transgender. Normally when someone is diagnosed with a disorder you don't feed that psychosis.. like.. if someone believes they're napoleon, you dont acomidate that fantasy by reinforcing it and letting them run around with a fancy hat, you try to sort out the source of the proble and fix it..
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Shit, I would love to keep this convo going, as it is very interesting; but I have to open my Starbucks at 4:30 am tomorrow, so I am going to sleep. Good stuff though.
Tabasco on
Life is too important to be taken seriously.
-Oscar Wilde
Alright.. so.. lets say for instance that he was clinically diagnosed as a transgender. Normally when someone is diagnosed with a disorder you don't feed that psychosis.. like.. if someone believes they're napoleon, you dont acomidate that fantasy by reinforcing it and letting them run around with a fancy hat, you try to sort out the source of the proble and fix it..
I don't know if you're aware, but they can fold the hair out into a really nice fancy hat now.
First time posting in SE++: I read the forums for almost two years and finally decided to join up and post.
Nothing real special
First time having sex:I was dating this girl for a year. Nothing past third base. On Friday the 13th, Hurricane Charlie was about to hit and we were fooling around as usual when we finally went all the way. So, I have a hurricane to thank for losing my virginity.
As someone who was a psych major for 2 years and a patient for many more than that, I can assure you that most psychologists say things like, "Well the DSM here says I should give you Prozac because you lack motivation, so we'll just make you an appointment with the psychiatrist to get you some."
And as somebody who has taken 4 years of psych I can point out that you are failing to remember what you should have learned in the 100-level statistic course you are required to take as part of your general degree, and that is a single persons individual experiences really mean shit all and have no statistical significance.
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First time with Redeemer: So I was close to passing out on the bed after we did our thing, when Redi says he has a surprise for me and starts shitting on my chest.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited July 2007
Is everyone on MSN? Is that it?
I am sitting here on AIM, with a very nice bloody mary
And no one to talk to.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
As someone who was a psych major for 2 years and a patient for many more than that, I can assure you that most psychologists say things like, "Well the DSM here says I should give you Prozac because you lack motivation, so we'll just make you an appointment with the psychiatrist to get you some."
And as somebody who has taken 4 years of psych I can point out that you are failing to remember what you should have learned in the 100-level statistic course you are required to take as part of your general degree, and that is a single persons individual experiences really mean shit all and have no statistical significance.
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Fantastic! That's a lot of stuff, so I'll read through it in the morning. Unless there is anything pressing you want to summarize from those various studies.
I legitimately think you cannot argue with his statement.
I don't think it's possible.
If the DSM-V was written so that it applied to everybody it would suggest that the patient should try to keep breathing. Because other than that, fucking nothing applies to everybody.
Do you not fucking understand that everybody is basically biochemically different, with different metabolic rates, and different abilities to absorb different drugs.
The effectiveness of every drug we use is a curve. Effective drugs have the majority of the poipulation in the middle of the curve, but there are still those who are going to be in the outlying sections and not have it work very fucking well for them.
You don't get to write off a medical profession as bullshit when you know fucking nothing about what you are talking about.
I used to think girls peed out of thier vaginas when I was 5, but now I know better.
I suppse they could re route the tube to make it more similar to a womans parts.
Actually I don't know the first thing about this procedure and it is giving me the willies.
Damb phantom pain.
Nah, it's all pretty interesting.
The most interesting is quoted, I feel - but that's not the technical stuff.
There are some good doctors out there, but altering brain chemicals should be a last ditch maneuver, when no other therapy can work. Anti-depressants are ridiculously easy to get. I didn't even ask for them and I was prescribed them. That's pretty terrible.
-Oscar Wilde
Ah, I'm such a romantic.
As someone who was a psych major for 2 years and a patient for many more than that, I can assure you that most psychologists say things like, "Well the DSM here says I should give you Prozac because you lack motivation, so we'll just make you an appointment with the psychiatrist to get you some."
-Oscar Wilde
NO
WAY
fact or fiction
I'll take the pile of 3
That doesn't mean that everybody is gonna flip out. And like Noom said, it's impossible to apply this shit to everyone. And let's go with another common example, one that I can relate to: ADHD. Does therapy work? Sometimes. Are meds prescribed to help with therapy, or on their own if therapy doesn't work? Yes. Do these have big bad side effects on people who actually need them, because their brain chemistry is different from everyone else's? Very rarely.
The point is, you obviously didn't need the pills. That doesn't make the pills bad, it doesn't mean everyone who prescribes them is bad, it means that the guy who prescribed them for you was wrong.
EDIT: This coming from a kid who's been seeing a psychologist off and on since kindergarten, so about 12 years, and was recently told by the same doctor that I have some form of Asberger's and Tourette's-like symptoms. He apparently diagnosed these when I was younger, and told my mom but not me.
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I don't know if you're aware, but they can fold the hair out into a really nice fancy hat now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery_male-to-female
Nothing real special
First time having sex:I was dating this girl for a year. Nothing past third base. On Friday the 13th, Hurricane Charlie was about to hit and we were fooling around as usual when we finally went all the way. So, I have a hurricane to thank for losing my virginity.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Ask first!
mully is awesome as usual
so are a couple of other poeple who i was just alking to on msn
also i am high
good night
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
I am sitting here on AIM, with a very nice bloody mary
And no one to talk to.
Though, my current one is.
But
case studies
i need more of you guys' MSNs
seriously i have very few SE++ people on there
[email]kazhiim (at) hotmail.com[/email]
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
trillian is a handy dandy programmy
I had trillian installed at one point and distinctly remember not liking it don't know why though.
I only got it because I have Adium and I only use AIM so I just said "What the hey" and made one.