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So, I'm job-hunting, and I threw my resume up at Monster.com. I've gotten a few companies calling me for specific positions, and a few others who are calling me just to want me to staff for one of their clients in the future (I have pretty marketable skills). Is it considered a faux pas for me to go to more than one of these agencies? Are they expecting me to stick to just them? Or am I fine for basically calling back every one that sounds promising?
Are you sure that the staffing agencies aren't just farming anybody who submits a resume? Sort of reverse-spamming you? They don't have a real job right now, do they?
I think you're fine calling them all back, just like it's fine to interview with multiple companies. Calling them back, asking for more information, and even saying you're interested is not committing anything to them.
In my experience, some staffing agencies will have a clause in their contract that states that you can't be "employed" by another staffing agency. You should probably check with each if this is the case when calling them back. If that's the case with most or all of them, you'll have to pick the one that you think will give you the best shot at getting a good job.
Is a staff agency the same thing as a temp agency? Because right now I'm working at a job through a temp agency...it took them over a month to call back with a job for me, and for the first few months I was working two jobs (the other at a movie theater I got during that month). I don't think you need to feel any particular loyalty, if they can keep you busy long-term, full time, then you can just drop the other ones, and if they can't, they can hardly complain if you earn money somewhere else to keep food on the table.
Is it considered a faux pas for me to go to more than one of these agencies? It is expected that you will likely apply to more than one agency.
Are they expecting me to stick to just them? Or am I fine for basically calling back every one that sounds promising? Until you accept an assignment from one of them, feel free to play the field. However, they will expect you to complete an assignment for the agreed upon term.
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The one that ended up being really awesome called me at like 8:00am one morning and the convo went something like this:
Agency: "Hi, we saw your resume on Monster.com and we were wondering if you would like to come in and have an interview with us!"
Me: "Um... sure. But I'm kind of already interviewing with another."
Agency: "Oh, that's fine! We actually suggest that people use at least three different agencies during their job search!"
They ended up getting me an interview with a company within a week and I was hired by that company a few days later. Hell, the agency even redid my resume for me.
So feel free to shop around. But remember that you should call back at least once a week to remind them that you are still looking. And when you find a job, just make sure to let them know. Some places take you off their "actively searching" list if they don't hear from you in a week. Others keep you on the list until they hear otherwise.
yeah, go for as many as you can. in addition to the above, some companies specialise within one or a few industries, so its good to broaden the pool of possible jobs a bit.
Last time I was looking for work, I spent about 3 months using the "one agency at a time approach". Eventually I got so sick of my current job that I quit, and activated 6 agencies at once. I had a contract for new work signed before my notice period was over.
I strongly recommend not only using more than one, but using as many as is humanly possible. Approach the process like you are a customer, and they are "selling jobs". Make them give you a range so you can choose. Make it clear that if they can't find exactly what you want, you have interviews at three other agencies that day and five more tomorrow.
I did contract work through IT staffing agencies from late 2000 until early 2007 other than a brief direct hire job that went south real quick.
It's definitely ok to be working with multiple staffing agencies. That same agency is usually submitting 2-10 other people (depending on the job and how many people the end company want to talk to) for that same job along with you. You'll also find at times they'll be trying to sell you on the job as much as you are trying to find a job.
After you take a job they'll tell you that you're expected to work the full term of the contract. In reality, you don't have to, but depending on the situation you're usually better off doing so. A short term contract it's usually best to wait out even if you don't like it. At the same time the better recruiters realize that you can't turn down a full time direct hire position which will keep you stably employed for years just to finish out your temporary contract. The general attitude towards this situation that I've had and have seen from recruiters is "Don't actively look for something new until close to the end of the contract, but if someone happens to call you with an offer anyway, go for it." And the ones who don't understand that? Well, fuck them.
Many times they are also open ended, long term, contracts. I've done a few of these. One of them lasted just over 2 years at which point the company decided to end all open ended contracts and go to 1 year contracts and let a ton of people go. The second was around 1 1/2 years and I left because I had been offered a direct hire position. I basically treat these open ended contracts like a normal job. Go in, work as usual, but if things start going downhill I start looking elsewhere. These companies can and will get rid of you at any time that it's a better benefit for them to do so than keep you so treat them the same.
I've found that the smaller firms are usually better in terms of how they treat you on both a personal level and as an employee. They also tend to have fewer jobs as they are smaller and frequently are primarily higher level positions (although it sounds like that may not be a problem for you). There are bigger national chains such as Tek Systems, Apex Systems, etc. These places frequently have a ton of positions covering a wide range of skill and experience levels, which is nice, but I find they frequently also don't give a shit about you. They'll get you in the first job they can for as cheap as they can even if it's a job you'll hate so that they can start billing the company asap. The benefits usually suck, you have to fight tooth and nail for raises on long term contracts, and the recruiters are frequently no better than the stereotypical used car salesman. That's not always the case, I've worked with a couple recruiters at the large chains who are excellent, but I've worked with more who just wanted to toss me in the first phone support job that came along because I had years of phone support and was pretty much guaranteed the job as long as I watered down my last few jobs to sound less technical (yes, they asked me to do that).
Keep in mind that the recruiters will also have varying knowledge to be able to judge your ability to do a job. I've worked with recruiters who were ex-IT people who went to being a recruiter for more money, I've met IT recruiters who were still interested in IT and even took some one off networking and programming classes so that they'd have a clue, and I've worked with recruiters who "specialized" in back end web development positions who didn't know what CGI was when they saw it on my resume.
I've done work for temp agencies in the past, and I always applied to as many as I could. I don't think any reasonable agency is going to expect you to be exclusive to them. I've never heard of that being asked for either.
I'd say submit your info to as many as possible, and then you ought to have multiple assignments being offered to you, and you can pick the best one.
I've done work for temp agencies in the past, and I always applied to as many as I could. I don't think any reasonable agency is going to expect you to be exclusive to them. I've never heard of that being asked for either.
I'd say submit your info to as many as possible, and then you ought to have multiple assignments being offered to you, and you can pick the best one.
One made me sign that I wouldn't go to another agency.
When I was working as a sysadmin I had every headhunter and staffing agency around taking me out to lunch, and they all knew. Nobody ever complained, because they knew that pissing me off meant that they had zero chance of making any money off of me.
Is it considered a faux pas for me to go to more than one of these agencies? It is expected that you will likely apply to more than one agency.
Are they expecting me to stick to just them? Or am I fine for basically calling back every one that sounds promising? Until you accept an assignment from one of them, feel free to play the field. However, they will expect you to complete an assignment for the agreed upon term.
I worked for one too - This is the way it is. And... actually... no thats it. I'm sure they'll make you feel bad about it - but thats the game you play.
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In my experience, some staffing agencies will have a clause in their contract that states that you can't be "employed" by another staffing agency. You should probably check with each if this is the case when calling them back. If that's the case with most or all of them, you'll have to pick the one that you think will give you the best shot at getting a good job.
Is it considered a faux pas for me to go to more than one of these agencies?
It is expected that you will likely apply to more than one agency.
Are they expecting me to stick to just them? Or am I fine for basically calling back every one that sounds promising?
Until you accept an assignment from one of them, feel free to play the field. However, they will expect you to complete an assignment for the agreed upon term.
The one that ended up being really awesome called me at like 8:00am one morning and the convo went something like this:
Agency: "Hi, we saw your resume on Monster.com and we were wondering if you would like to come in and have an interview with us!"
Me: "Um... sure. But I'm kind of already interviewing with another."
Agency: "Oh, that's fine! We actually suggest that people use at least three different agencies during their job search!"
They ended up getting me an interview with a company within a week and I was hired by that company a few days later. Hell, the agency even redid my resume for me.
So feel free to shop around. But remember that you should call back at least once a week to remind them that you are still looking. And when you find a job, just make sure to let them know. Some places take you off their "actively searching" list if they don't hear from you in a week. Others keep you on the list until they hear otherwise.
I strongly recommend not only using more than one, but using as many as is humanly possible. Approach the process like you are a customer, and they are "selling jobs". Make them give you a range so you can choose. Make it clear that if they can't find exactly what you want, you have interviews at three other agencies that day and five more tomorrow.
P.S. I have a fucking fantastic job now.
And as far as I can tell they cannot tell if you do.
It's definitely ok to be working with multiple staffing agencies. That same agency is usually submitting 2-10 other people (depending on the job and how many people the end company want to talk to) for that same job along with you. You'll also find at times they'll be trying to sell you on the job as much as you are trying to find a job.
After you take a job they'll tell you that you're expected to work the full term of the contract. In reality, you don't have to, but depending on the situation you're usually better off doing so. A short term contract it's usually best to wait out even if you don't like it. At the same time the better recruiters realize that you can't turn down a full time direct hire position which will keep you stably employed for years just to finish out your temporary contract. The general attitude towards this situation that I've had and have seen from recruiters is "Don't actively look for something new until close to the end of the contract, but if someone happens to call you with an offer anyway, go for it." And the ones who don't understand that? Well, fuck them.
Many times they are also open ended, long term, contracts. I've done a few of these. One of them lasted just over 2 years at which point the company decided to end all open ended contracts and go to 1 year contracts and let a ton of people go. The second was around 1 1/2 years and I left because I had been offered a direct hire position. I basically treat these open ended contracts like a normal job. Go in, work as usual, but if things start going downhill I start looking elsewhere. These companies can and will get rid of you at any time that it's a better benefit for them to do so than keep you so treat them the same.
I've found that the smaller firms are usually better in terms of how they treat you on both a personal level and as an employee. They also tend to have fewer jobs as they are smaller and frequently are primarily higher level positions (although it sounds like that may not be a problem for you). There are bigger national chains such as Tek Systems, Apex Systems, etc. These places frequently have a ton of positions covering a wide range of skill and experience levels, which is nice, but I find they frequently also don't give a shit about you. They'll get you in the first job they can for as cheap as they can even if it's a job you'll hate so that they can start billing the company asap. The benefits usually suck, you have to fight tooth and nail for raises on long term contracts, and the recruiters are frequently no better than the stereotypical used car salesman. That's not always the case, I've worked with a couple recruiters at the large chains who are excellent, but I've worked with more who just wanted to toss me in the first phone support job that came along because I had years of phone support and was pretty much guaranteed the job as long as I watered down my last few jobs to sound less technical (yes, they asked me to do that).
Keep in mind that the recruiters will also have varying knowledge to be able to judge your ability to do a job. I've worked with recruiters who were ex-IT people who went to being a recruiter for more money, I've met IT recruiters who were still interested in IT and even took some one off networking and programming classes so that they'd have a clue, and I've worked with recruiters who "specialized" in back end web development positions who didn't know what CGI was when they saw it on my resume.
I'd say submit your info to as many as possible, and then you ought to have multiple assignments being offered to you, and you can pick the best one.
One made me sign that I wouldn't go to another agency.
Of course, I did anyway.
Fire you from the work they aren't giving you?
I worked for one too - This is the way it is. And... actually... no thats it. I'm sure they'll make you feel bad about it - but thats the game you play.