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Sunlight TheorySunlight Theory Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
My roommate and I were having a discussion about debt earlier this evening and the question arose as to what happens to someone's debt when they die. I tried researching it and couldn't escape information about our national debt so I figured I would post here and see what people had to say. So here's the question, what happens to your debt when you die? Does it get passed on to your children? What if you don't have children? If anyone could provide a source with information on this it would be great as well.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    My roommate and I were having a discussion about debt earlier this evening and the question arose as to what happens to someone's debt when they die. I tried researching it and couldn't escape information about our national debt so I figured I would post here and see what people had to say. So here's the question, what happens to your debt when you die? Does it get passed on to your children? What if you don't have children? If anyone could provide a source with information on this it would be great as well.
    Next of kin. If you don't have any, then shit.

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  • Sunlight TheorySunlight Theory Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Azio wrote: »
    Next of kin. If you don't have any, then shit.
    That's what I was thinking, my roommate wants to know how they can morally justify that though.

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  • witch_iewitch_ie Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I may be wrong, but I thought it depends on the kind of debt. I was under the impression that federal student loans would be forgiven upon death. That may be a unique situation or I could be wrong. Feel free to correct me if this is the case.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    That's why we have life insurance... so our debt doesn't transfer over to next of kin.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, I don't get that either. How am I responsible for my parents taking on a million dollars of debt buying their stupid properties that they'll never pay off before they croak?

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I owe about $50,000 and have no real job to speak of other than volunteering at the SPCA.

    I fix computers under the table to survive, but I'm in a small town so busy isn't exactly booming. I mostly do barter jobs for people who really don't know anything about technology.

    I'd declare bankruptcy but about half of my debt is from student loans.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I believe that, as far as credit cards go, you have no responsibility to your parents' debt (unless you had access to their credit card). You do have responsibility for your spouse's debt.

    EDIT: Although if you have an inheritance coming from your parents, and their debt is greater than the inheritance, you get nothing because creditors get paid first.

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Your estate is responsible for your debt. If your estate can't pay your creditor has no recourse.

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  • NavocNavoc Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Azio wrote: »
    Next of kin. If you don't have any, then shit.
    That's what I was thinking, my roommate wants to know how they can morally justify that though.

    I'm pretty ignorant about the subject, so I might be talking out of my ass, but I don't think it's so much that the debt is passed onto the next of kin as it is passed onto the estate. If I'm not mistaken, this would mean that you're not obligated to pay the debt of your parents by mere virtue of being their child, but anything they might own or you might inherit can be repossessed to help cover the cost of the debt. Which would seem to be more justifiable than a blanket "you must pay the debt of your parents."

    Though it will vary by state, and I'm pretty sure it actually passes on to the spouse before the estate.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, I don't get that either. How am I responsible for my parents taking on a million dollars of debt buying their stupid properties that they'll never pay off before they croak?
    They'd simply take away those properties, and any other portion of your inheritance until the total value was equal to what they owed. It's only fair.

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  • notagamenotagame Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Navoc wrote: »
    Azio wrote: »
    Next of kin. If you don't have any, then shit.
    That's what I was thinking, my roommate wants to know how they can morally justify that though.

    I'm pretty ignorant about the subject, so I might be talking out of my ass, but I don't think it's so much that the debt is passed onto the next of kin as it is passed onto the estate. If I'm not mistaken, this would mean that you're not obligated to pay the debt of your parents by mere virtue of being their child, but anything they might own or you might inherit can be repossessed to help cover the cost of the debt. Which would seem to be more justifiable than a blanket "you must pay the debt of your parents."

    Though it will vary by state, and I'm pretty sure it actually passes on to the spouse before the estate.

    You can still take a lot of stuff out before the debtors can come in to take it though. Bank accounts and the like you will lose for sure, as will estates, but nobody will know if you go to your parent's house and take most of the jewelry, hard cash, etc.

    Off topic, Navoc, where did you get your sig? Do you know the person who made the painting in your sig?

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Sometimes creditors will try and convince the children of deceased debtors that they are responsible for their parents' deaths. This is generally false. If your parents die and someone comes calling for money, talk to an attorney.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Azio wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't get that either. How am I responsible for my parents taking on a million dollars of debt buying their stupid properties that they'll never pay off before they croak?
    They'd simply take away those properties, and any other portion of your inheritance until the total value was equal to what they owed. It's only fair.
    Oh, well, that's okay then. I don't expect any inheritance anyhow.

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  • NavocNavoc Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    notagame wrote: »
    You can still take a lot of stuff out before the debtors can come in to take it though. Bank accounts and the like you will lose for sure, as will estates, but nobody will know if you go to your parent's house and take most of the jewelry, hard cash, etc.

    Off topic, Navoc, where did you get your sig? Do you know the person who made the painting in your sig?

    I wonder of the legality of something like that. Obviously it's not something you'd ever be charged over, or anything. I'm just curious if technically those objects become property of the creditor (or whomever it would be) upon death, or something. Pretty irrelevant either way, I suppose.

    Also: my sig is from this painting. I don't know the painter personally, if that's what you mean, I just really liked the painting.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, I don't get that either. How am I responsible for my parents taking on a million dollars of debt buying their stupid properties that they'll never pay off before they croak?

    Roughly the same reason that you get to be rich if your rich parents die. I'm not saying that it's logical, but it is somewhat consistent.

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You are not responsible for anyone else'e debt. Just your own.

    The exceptions are if your name appears as a user on that other person's account somewhere, or debts incurrred by a spouse during marrriage.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hachface wrote: »
    Sometimes creditors will try and convince the children of deceased debtors that they are responsible for their parents' deaths. This is generally false. If your parents die and someone comes calling for money, talk to an attorney.
    I got a chuckle out of the freudian slip. Essentially if you're only invovlement with the debt is that you were related to the person that had it, then upon their death it should _not_ be passed on to you.

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yar wrote: »
    ...or debts incurrred by a spouse during marrriage.

    Oh thank God, because my fiancee owes a lot of fucking money.

    I'm wondering if it's possible for her to declare bankruptcy then become a housewife, never having to pay those bastards back.

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You know, creditors. I don't even have a credit card so I have no idea who it would be. Not Sallie Mae, but someone.

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  • drinkinstoutdrinkinstout Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    My car loan came with a clause that essentially forgave it upon my death. Same goes with student loans. As for other loans and houses, I assume that the bank has the option to repo whatever item (if it is physical) was purchased or offer the next of kin the chance to take over the loan... guess some of that comes in with wills.

    As for being responsible for other people's debt, I think you only have to worry about things you cosign on, debts of your spouse (past debts can come into play if things are refinanced or rolled together, etc) or possibly debts your children incur (I believe in some circumstances the courts have made the parents pay for certain things when their children are being declared as dependants or are underage, etc.)

    I think death is part of the risk associated with lending money really - I wonder if age of the lender figures at all into approval / interest rates at all...

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Uh...i'm pretty sure debt isn't heritable. however creditors get first crack at an estate, i believe - there might be something like a homestead exception for the first $X amount of money. this is really state-dependent. there are drastically different marital property/community property laws depending on the state - in some situations you might be liable for your spouse's debt. it's best to see a financial planner or lawyer on the issue.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hachface wrote: »
    Sometimes creditors will try and convince the children of deceased debtors that they are responsible for their parents' deaths. This is generally false. If your parents die and someone comes calling for money, talk to an attorney.
    I got a chuckle out of the freudian slip. Essentially if you're only invovlement with the debt is that you were related to the person that had it, then upon their death it should _not_ be passed on to you.

    :oops:

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  • LibrarianThorneLibrarianThorne Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I was under the impression that federal student loans do not, in fact, end with the debtors' death and that all remaining debt is passed on to next of kin.

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  • drinkinstoutdrinkinstout Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I was under the impression that federal student loans do not, in fact, end with the debtors' death and that all remaining debt is passed on to next of kin.

    I don't know about them in general but mine specifically does not carry over if I die.

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I was under the impression that federal student loans do not, in fact, end with the debtors' death and that all remaining debt is passed on to next of kin.

    Nope. It will, however, get taken out of your estate, so your next of kin will lose that money in a round-about way, but they don't actually take on the debt itself.

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  • WalterWalter Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    DVG wrote: »
    I was under the impression that federal student loans do not, in fact, end with the debtors' death and that all remaining debt is passed on to next of kin.

    Nope. It will, however, get taken out of your estate, so your next of kin will lose that money in a round-about way, but they don't actually take on the debt itself.

    A guy I worked with is taking out loans for nursing school. He told me that they changed the law about a year ago so that student loans are fully passed on to next of kin. Anybody have any solid evidence? That sounds screwed up.

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    here is an article on the subject

    and another one

    Both these seem to imply that the only way you inherit debt is by inheriting property used as collateral on the debt.

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  • witch_iewitch_ie Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    From the federal student aid website:

    "In the event of the borrower's death, or on or after July 23, 1992 the death of the student for whom a parent received a PLUS loan, the obligation of the borrower and any endorser to make any further payments on the loan is discharged.

    To verify a borrower's death, the servicing agency must have either the original death certificate or a certified copy of the death certificate."

    Based on that, I would say that federal student loans are not passed on and may not even be taken out of any kind of estate of the deceased.

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