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Legal type question, any one wise on the laws would help-Drug/suicide related.

ImperialImperial Registered User new member
edited July 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Ok so this is basically what happened. Sister calls me up earlier, says a friend of hers committed suicide because she was hopped up on drugs. Now her wife(yes, lesbian couple)says Narcotics were found in the body and it was "confirmed" i believe that the drugs are what pushed her to do it. My question to you is if anyone knows what else this guy could go down for besides selling drugs. Friends of mine say that there is something but they cannot remember. My sister is going to talk to a few cops our family knows regarding this tomorrow, but wanted to shed a little light for her now if at all possible.

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    edited July 2007
    Imperial wrote: »
    My question to you is if anyone knows what else this guy could go down for besides selling drugs.

    What guy? The guy who sold her the drugs?

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    ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Sorry for your loss.

    Without knowing what possible evidence the prosecutor/DA may have against this guy (which entirely depends on what the police gather/have gathered), it's pretty much impossible to say at this stage.

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    ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    So what exactly are you trying to do here? Are you trying to find a way that you can charge someone with murder for selling a bag of weed or something?

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    ImperialImperial Registered User new member
    edited July 2007
    I do not have that much info on it. Apparently this drug dealer has gone down on distribution charge once or twice before, if so would this not be a third strike? and it was more like heroin/cocaine/crack something like that.

    I appreciate the fast replies, and any replies in that case.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Distribution in and of itself would get him pretty fucked. Beyond that, I'm not certain (and I'd wager it'll vary by state) as to whether her drug use leading to suicide will increase the charges. I'm fairly sure if he was giving her prescription drugs unlicensed, that'd hold some pretty heavy penalties, but I dunno about substances that're illegal in all cases.

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    BokiBoki __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Drug Dealers should be hunted down whenever possible. If you have information about a known drug dealer that can lead to their arrest hand in whatever you know to the police. Drug Dealers make their living by poisoning others, you may be able to get them for third degree murder or maybe negligence or something.

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    ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Thank you, Officer D.A.R.E. Sadly it is the D.A.'s office that picks charges, not the non-recognized family of the victim. There is probably next to nothing that they can actually do except cooperate with police. Also realize that putting the dealer away is not going to be a substitute for actually dealing with the loss and finding a way to keep going into the future.

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    BokiBoki __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Also realize that putting the dealer away is not going to be a substitute for actually dealing with the loss and finding a way to keep going into the future.

    No, but it would sure fucking help.

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    ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Boki wrote: »
    Also realize that putting the dealer away is not going to be a substitute for actually dealing with the loss and finding a way to keep going into the future.

    No, but it would sure fucking help.

    Not for me, it doesn't answer any questions.

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    BokiBoki __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Boki wrote: »
    Also realize that putting the dealer away is not going to be a substitute for actually dealing with the loss and finding a way to keep going into the future.

    No, but it would sure fucking help.

    Not for me, it doesn't answer any questions.

    Not for you because you didn't lose anything. Hell, I bet it would even help if the dealer was shot dead the next day.

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    Eat_FireEat_Fire Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Boki wrote: »
    Drug Dealers should be hunted down whenever possible. If you have information about a known drug dealer that can lead to their arrest hand in whatever you know to the police. Drug Dealers make their living by poisoning others, you may be able to get them for third degree murder or maybe negligence or something.


    As with everything else for sale, if the demand goes away so do the salesman. If you want to get rid of drug dealers the most effective route would be encouraging others not to be a patron of them.

    Let me be very clear here: Imperial, I am not accusing you or sister or her wife of being responsible for the death in this case. I am not aware of anything more than what you wrote in that short paragraph from your post.


    What I can say is, this thread has intrigued me as far as learning more about how extreme the effects of drugs can be to behavior, and how dangerous they can be. Perhaps if the effects of drugs that are dangerous "suicidal behavior, etc." were more common knowledge, then society would be less likely to use them.


    Sorry for hijacking there, I don't have any legal advice here, but it would seem if the drugs were not the cause of death then the dealer could only be given a lesser charge than a direct murder charge.

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    BokiBoki __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Eat_Fire wrote: »
    As with everything else for sale, if the demand goes away so do the salesman. If you want to get rid of drug dealers the most effective route would be encouraging others not to be a patron of them.

    That will never happen so long as there are still people who support freedom and means for others to take illegal drugs, and refuse to realize that humans deserve better than that.

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    SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Suicidal behavior when under the influence of drugs isn't common knowledge?

    Hell, even prescription medicine often has the side effects of increased depression and suicidal thoughts. It's all part and parcel of fucking with your head.

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    kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Er, generally no. It doesn't mean a DA might not charge the dealer with negligence or something, but I have a hard time seeing it stick. (they routinely overcharge in many jurisdictions.) However if they can get him on several counts of possession w/intent to sell and he has guns on him (as is likely) he might still be away for a long time.

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    ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Boki wrote: »
    Boki wrote: »
    Also realize that putting the dealer away is not going to be a substitute for actually dealing with the loss and finding a way to keep going into the future.

    No, but it would sure fucking help.

    Not for me, it doesn't answer any questions.

    Not for you because you didn't lose anything. Hell, I bet it would even help if the dealer was shot dead the next day.

    Yes, because I've never known anyone who died in a drug-related suicide, and you know this from your special cameras or something. From the sound of things I'd say either that you're a sociopath or that you're the one who has never lost anyone to circumstances such as these.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Boki wrote: »
    Eat_Fire wrote: »
    As with everything else for sale, if the demand goes away so do the salesman. If you want to get rid of drug dealers the most effective route would be encouraging others not to be a patron of them.

    That will never happen so long as there are still people who support freedom and means for others to take illegal drugs, and refuse to realize that humans deserve better than that.

    No offense, but you sound like an ignorant asshole.

    I sure hope you're actively campaigning against the two drugs that kill more people per year than all of the rest combined (IIRC).

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Imperial wrote: »
    I do not have that much info on it. Apparently this drug dealer has gone down on distribution charge once or twice before, if so would this not be a third strike? and it was more like heroin/cocaine/crack something like that.

    I appreciate the fast replies, and any replies in that case.

    Ignorant assholes and sociopaths aside, do you live in a state with a third strike or persistent felon law? I think the family might be able to press civil charges, but I don't think criminal charges can be brought for her death unless the dealer forced her to take drugs that led to her death.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    Imperial wrote: »
    I do not have that much info on it. Apparently this drug dealer has gone down on distribution charge once or twice before, if so would this not be a third strike? and it was more like heroin/cocaine/crack something like that.

    I appreciate the fast replies, and any replies in that case.

    Ignorant assholes and sociopaths aside, do you live in a state with a third strike or persistent felon law? I think the family might be able to press civil charges, but I don't think criminal charges can be brought for her death unless the dealer forced her to take drugs that led to her death.

    The problem with civil charges is the expense involved. I wouldn't do that unless they could find a lawyer willing to work for nothing unless they win, since I'd wager it's a bit of a longshot to prove she killed herself as a direct result of the drugs, rather than simply happening to do so while she was high (again, there's likely far more to this, but I'm just speaking based on the small amount of info the OP has shared)

    edit: Likely, the dealer's lawyer would simply cite the fairly common correllation between people who use drugs, and people who are suicidal/depressed, and seek to show that her decision to use drugs and her decision to kill herself both stemmed from that, rather than the drugs being the real catalyst.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    Imperial wrote: »
    I do not have that much info on it. Apparently this drug dealer has gone down on distribution charge once or twice before, if so would this not be a third strike? and it was more like heroin/cocaine/crack something like that.

    I appreciate the fast replies, and any replies in that case.

    Ignorant assholes and sociopaths aside, do you live in a state with a third strike or persistent felon law? I think the family might be able to press civil charges, but I don't think criminal charges can be brought for her death unless the dealer forced her to take drugs that led to her death.

    The problem with civil charges is the expense involved. I wouldn't do that unless they could find a lawyer willing to work for nothing unless they win, since I'd wager it's a bit of a longshot to prove she killed herself as a direct result of the drugs, rather than simply happening to do so while she was high (again, there's likely far more to this, but I'm just speaking based on the small amount of info the OP has shared)

    edit: Likely, the dealer's lawyer would simply cite the fairly common correllation between people who use drugs, and people who are suicidal/depressed, and seek to show that her decision to use drugs and her decision to kill herself both stemmed from that, rather than the drugs being the real catalyst.

    I completely agree, a successful civil trial is a remote possibility, but at least it's based on how far the person bringing the charges wants to take it. A criminal trial is pretty much out of their hands.

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    yotesyotes Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Anecdotal:

    I knew a dude (in The America) who sold heroin to a person who died of an overdose, and dealer-dude was sentenced for some degree of manslaughter, three years minimum.

    That's as a direct effect of the drug, but if your sister's friend just found herself on a bad acid trip and thought it would be best to kill herself, I don't think there's a case to be made for manslaughter or even murder unless you find a very determined prosecutor and a very incompetent public defender.

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    GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So this person is dead for a few hours and you're already looking for a way to put someone behind bars? Talk about jumping to conclusions. Maybe you shouldn't break out your torches and pitchforks just yet and get some facts straight.

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