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The Cell Phone Industry

MuragoMurago Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
I've been employed at Cingular/att for about 2 years now. Its a decent gig for not having a degree yet, but lately i've been wondering about the credibility of the business and its effect on society. Now, I know that communication can sometimes be invaluable, whether its a business deal, or just checking in on your family to give you peace of mind. Its come to my realization, however, that these little pocket phones may have a serious side effect to their users. More and more i find that it becomes a security blanket, but on a much larger scale.

I have had customer who will become apprehensive, emotional, or enraged at the idea (not the event) of not having a phone. I've seen tears, or begging, or shouting when the actual event occurs. And if this were a thing in passing, i wouldn't pay too much attention. But since my start in this industry, i've found that not a day goes by where this type of situation doesn't happen at least oncein my store alone. And even then, its usually multiple occasions in a given day.

Am i making too much of a small thing here, or do any of you feel similiar to how wireless communication governs you're day to day life? I'd like to get some outside opinions on this, as most of my co-workers are only really worried about their money, or don't really care.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I actually feel pretty uncomfortable when I go places without a working cellphone. Maybe it's because I can't drive and ride my bike everywhere, but after several years of being consistently plugged in, the idea of being unable to receive / make calls whenever necessary really unnerves me.

    I mean, it is pretty reassuring to know you're in contact. Knowing you're capable of reaching someone anywhere, anytime, is a nice feeling.

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  • GorakGorak Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I wouldn't worry about it. Whenever you work with the public, you will encounter nutters.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, I feel absolutely useless without my mobile, and carry it literally everywhere I go. The anxiety I get if I don't have it is roughly equal to if I can't find my glasses, and seeing as how both have saved my life in the past I don't mind much.

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  • MuragoMurago Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Let me ask, before you had the phone, were you ok? I mean, you lived life right?

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, but I was like, 11. Didn't really much of a life except Lego and playing Sonic.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    My company provides me with a blackberry. I have email, gmail, google maps, and other useful applications all at my fingertips. It comes in handy, but at the same time, it's not a necessity.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I don't know that I'd freak out if I had to give up my phone but I'd be pretty damn annoyed seeing as how it's my only phone (I have no land line).

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    When I don't need my phone, I don't carry it. This doesn't make me in any way apprehensive or distressed. This qualifies me as a non-nutter.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I definitely feel uneasy without my phone.

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Or maybe... I'm the one who's mad?

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I basically never use mine, and have it off whenever I'm not making a call or specifically expecting someone to call me.

    I've probably had mine for one-and-a-half years, maybe two and I've charged it once.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    You guys are frightening with your dependence on cell phones.

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  • YodaTunaYodaTuna Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I don't have a land line, otherwise, I wouldn't care if I didn't have a cell phone.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    It feels a little weird when I'm working out in the sticks and there's no reception, but I honestly don't mind the break. I was out in the country helping on a field trip a few months back, and was on top of a hill and able to recieve calls for a total of half an hour over five days. You know what happened?

    A FUCKING TELEMARKETER RANG ME :x

    Screw that.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I have a mobile, but I actually use it when I'm away from home (You're required to have a land line if you want ADSL in the UK. OfCom really missed the boat on that one) maybe three or four times a week. I doubt I'd miss it if it was gone.

    Seriously, what the hell do people talk about multiple times a day? Maybe if I had a job that required me to move around a lot, yeah, but a mobile phone is really a luxury.

    EDIT:
    The Cat wrote: »
    A FUCKING TELEMARKETER RANG ME :x

    Don't you have a "Do not call" list over there? I register all my phone numbers with the TPS over here, which means I never get telemarketing calls.

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Never had a cellphone (dinosaur these days I suppose).

    I think if someone really feels genuinely reliant on a device to such an extent they should throw it away. That's crazy man.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    japan wrote: »
    Don't you have a "Do not call" list over there? I register all my phone numbers with the TPS over here, which means I never get telemarketing calls.

    Yeah, they started one a couple of months ago. Telemarketers aren't supposed to call mobiles anyway though, so I told them that and they hung up :P I do need to get the landline on the list though - the only reason I have it is for DSL, same as you.

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  • Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I have a cellphone, but I have no land line. Also the actual place I'm living could change at any time - its nice to have one number people can reach me at that isn't changing every three months.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Derrick wrote: »
    Never had a cellphone (dinosaur these days I suppose).

    I think if someone really feels genuinely reliant on a device to such an extent they should throw it away. That's crazy man.

    I don't think theres necessarily anything wrong with frequent cellphone use - its convenient to be able to organise things on the fly, and its a major boost to personal safety. These people who get upset could have perfectly logical reasons for being so - dying-relative-in-hospital, waiting on the results of an important job interview, etc. I'd have been screwed without a mobile while working for the temp agency, because they always called last-minute when they needed someone. People who compulsively call their friends to talk about nothing are idiots, sure, but you're overgeneralising pretty badly there.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You know, if we're going to have a "bitch about the cell phone industry" thread, then damnit, let's bitch!
    • First, there's the utterly fucked up way our networks are here. The rest of the world has chosen GSM - why haven't we?
    • Then there's lockin. I understand the whole subsidy issue, but I'm willing to give that up so I can tell you to go take a flying piss if you fuck with me.
    • Oh, did I mention the piss-poor service?
    • And why the fuck are we at least two generations of technology behind?

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Don't you have a "Do not call" list over there? I register all my phone numbers with the TPS over here, which means I never get telemarketing calls.

    Yeah, they started one a couple of months ago. Telemarketers aren't supposed to call mobiles anyway though, so I told them that and they hung up :P I do need to get the landline on the list though - the only reason I have it is for DSL, same as you.

    I didn't have a phone plugged into mine when I lived alone, I do now. It used to confuse the hell out of companies like my bank, or my university.

    "I need your phone number,"
    "Well, I do have one, but no phone,"
    "What?"

    I generally do everything online now. Which is proving to be a problem, since I needed to open a new bank account. I've had to call Scottish Power and my current bank to get them to send out copies of my bills and statements, so I can use them as documentary evidence of my address and income, lengthening the whole process by a couple of weeks.

    EDIT:
    And why the fuck are we at least two generations of technology behind?

    Because it takes time for the free market to decide which technology is better. Rest assured that you only get the best two generation old technology.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm apprehensive when I don't have my phone.

    1) I use it as a watch.
    2) I don't have a land line.

    Plus, it's really just the way college kids communicate. Should we get off your lawn?

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  • forbis316forbis316 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I am actually in the process of ditching my land line for cell-phone-only service. The primary reason I am doing this is that, because I seldom use a phone period, it will be cheaper for me. I got a pay-as-you-go phone from Virgin and I'll have to talk more than 80 minutes a month ($.18 a minute) to exceed my land line cost. That isn't going to happen.

    It is nice to have should an emergency situation come up when on the road. But I am in no way dependent on it. I actually kind of regret acquiring a cell phone. I lasted until age 26 without one...

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    good point, I use mine as a watch too. And given my dependance on public transport, I need it to get around with minimum hassle.

    I still tell people I don't have a landline though, because I just don't want to use it for calls. Not like I'm home during business hours anyway.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    japan wrote: »
    And why the fuck are we at least two generations of technology behind?

    Because it takes time for the free market to decide which technology is better. Rest assured that you only get the best two generation old technology.

    I would rather that the US free market decide what we get rather than the South Korean market decide for us. And even then, when great phones are released in the US, you can rarely get them with a 2-year plan. You have to dish out way more to buy it unlocked.

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Never had a cellphone (dinosaur these days I suppose).

    I think if someone really feels genuinely reliant on a device to such an extent they should throw it away. That's crazy man.

    I don't think theres necessarily anything wrong with frequent cellphone use - its convenient to be able to organise things on the fly, and its a major boost to personal safety. These people who get upset could have perfectly logical reasons for being so - dying-relative-in-hospital, waiting on the results of an important job interview, etc. I'd have been screwed without a mobile while working for the temp agency, because they always called last-minute when they needed someone. People who compulsively call their friends to talk about nothing are idiots, sure, but you're overgeneralising pretty badly there.


    I think considering it necessary to live and becoming seriously agitated with not having it for a few days is not healthy. That's classic dependence. I mean sure, security blankets are cool and all, but at least be cool with admitting to yourself that you're using it as such. *shrug*

    That would bother me.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    japan wrote: »
    And why the fuck are we at least two generations of technology behind?

    Because it takes time for the free market to decide which technology is better. Rest assured that you only get the best two generation old technology.

    I would rather that the US free market decide what we get rather than the South Korean market decide for us. And even then, when great phones are released in the US, you can rarely get them with a 2-year plan. You have to dish out way more to buy it unlocked.

    I was commenting on the inability of a completely free market to ever standardise on anything. The broadcast technology behind a mobile phone network is not something that's likely to ever affect the average consumer, so as long as someone picks something, it isn't important what. It's the reason I can buy a £20 handset that works with any provider instead of having a choice of £120 handsets that only work with one.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Derrick wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Never had a cellphone (dinosaur these days I suppose).

    I think if someone really feels genuinely reliant on a device to such an extent they should throw it away. That's crazy man.

    I don't think theres necessarily anything wrong with frequent cellphone use - its convenient to be able to organise things on the fly, and its a major boost to personal safety. These people who get upset could have perfectly logical reasons for being so - dying-relative-in-hospital, waiting on the results of an important job interview, etc. I'd have been screwed without a mobile while working for the temp agency, because they always called last-minute when they needed someone. People who compulsively call their friends to talk about nothing are idiots, sure, but you're overgeneralising pretty badly there.


    I think considering it necessary to live and becoming seriously agitated with not having it for a few days is not healthy. That's classic dependence. I mean sure, security blankets are cool and all, but at least be cool with admitting to yourself that you're using it as such. *shrug*

    That would bother me.

    You're really being unneccesarily disparaging here. Part of the reason its become more and more important to have a cellphone is that everyone else expects you to. People get in trouble from superiors, clients, relatives, friends, for not being sufficiently available. If you want to rail against that, go ahead - I think a lot of people fail to set appropriate boundaries in that department - but this snide bullshit about 'safety blankets' is really stupid. There's nothing wrong with being safe :|

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  • LadyMLadyM Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I have a cell phone instead of a landline. A pay-as-you-go plan. Nope, no anxiety if I don't have my phone with me. I forget it at home a lot of days, to tell the truth.

    What pisses me off about cell phone companies in general is the huge fee they charge you FOR DROPPING THEIR PRODUCT if you have a yearly plan. Seems stupid.

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  • MuragoMurago Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I would rather that the US free market decide what we get rather than the South Korean market decide for us. And even then, when great phones are released in the US, you can rarely get them with a 2-year plan. You have to dish out way more to buy it unlocked.[/QUOTE]

    I was commenting on the inability of a completely free market to ever standardise on anything. The broadcast technology behind a mobile phone network is not something that's likely to ever affect the average consumer, so as long as someone picks something, it isn't important what. It's the reason I can buy a £20 handset that works with any provider instead of having a choice of £120 handsets that only work with one.[/QUOTE]

    America is very much behind the rest of the world in this sense. I know that in parts of the world, you can buy a disposable cell phone from a vending machine and it will have amazing reception. No contracts, no obligation, and usually you get your hands a neat little product. The problem here is that the industry (name your provider, its pretty much the same) has put a metaphoric blindfold over the consumer since the 90's.

    "Here, we'll GIVE you this phone at no/low cost if you sign up with us!" Honestly, it is A MUCH BETTER DEAL to pay 100-200 dollars for a phone that is unlocked and CHOOSE you're service provider w/o signing a contract. If you cancel your service in contract, you're going to be penalized apx $200 anyway.

    The other problem though, is lack of GSM service providers. Sure, you can get an unlocked phone, but typically they are only going to work with one type of technology, unless you really shell out the cash. So even if i get my unlocked phone, and i'm T-Mobile. Once i change my mind to go with Verizon, i need a new phone.

    Pretty much everywhere else in the world is GSM, so the idea of just buying an unlocked phone at a higher price makes more sense.

    Also, i'm picking up what you're puttin' down Cat, but what i think i'm getting at is that the technology can get a pretty tight grip on its user; even more so than the internet it seems! (i know that's a pretty big statement to make). I wonder how we lived before this technology came around...*ponders*

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    LadyM wrote: »
    I have a cell phone instead of a landline. A pay-as-you-go plan. Nope, no anxiety if I don't have my phone with me. I forget it at home a lot of days, to tell the truth.

    What pisses me off about cell phone companies in general is the huge fee they charge you FOR DROPPING THEIR PRODUCT if you have a yearly plan. Seems stupid.

    I like to think I have the best of both worlds. A Pay-as-you-go mobile where the cost of my calls are charged by direct debit at the end of every month. I don't have to "top up" my credit at an ATM or by buying vouchers (though I still can if I want to), If I don't use it, I don't pay. If I get a SIM card from another provider and use that instead, I suffer no penalty (handy for overseas travel).

    Given such a thing exists, I'm not entirely sure why people sign up for plans that cost money if you don't use the phone, and prevent you from switching providers.

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  • siliconenhancedsiliconenhanced __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I wasn't a big fan of pay as you go, since it seemed that everytime you turned the damn thing on you were eating "units". I don't know if mine was just one of the robbery type services ($20 for 120 units). However, it started charging you "units" from the second ring, even if your person didn't pick up, and God help you if they happened to have a long voice mail message.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I wasn't a big fan of pay as you go, since it seemed that everytime you turned the damn thing on you were eating "units". I don't know if mine was just one of the robbery type services ($20 for 120 units). However, it started charging you "units" from the second ring, even if your person didn't pick up, and God help you if they happened to have a long voice mail message.

    What the hell kind of pay-as-you-go deals do you get in the States? I get charged for making calls and sending texts. That's it. Receiving calls, texts and retrieving Voicemail are free.

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  • Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The best deals i find are the free nights and weekends.

    Thats the time when I use my phone the most anyways. Also free texting is good, thats the main way I communicate with my parents. Screw long distance bills.

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  • AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    You're really being unneccesarily disparaging here. Part of the reason its become more and more important to have a cellphone is that everyone else expects you to. People get in trouble from superiors, clients, relatives, friends, for not being sufficiently available. If you want to rail against that, go ahead - I think a lot of people fail to set appropriate boundaries in that department - but this snide bullshit about 'safety blankets' is really stupid. There's nothing wrong with being safe :|

    People tend to like to get smugly hung up on new things we generally can't function without, while conveniently forgetting that what you can't function without is generally dictated by how much of society you want to participate in.

    Yar. It's like that "what would you do if it all stopped working" thread. Modern technology is crucial to a modern lifestyle. People — well, most people — aren't going to fall over and die without a cell phone, but it does mean changing the way you interface with society. You wouldn't say that a soldier is overly reliant on rifles, or a commuter on public transportation, or a hunter/gatherer on spears, because that's crazy. He'll find another way to feed himself, but if you take away his spear, he'll be upset, and you wouldn't say "It's just a spear ya big baby, haven't you ever heard of rocks? Kids these days."

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Never had a cellphone (dinosaur these days I suppose).

    I think if someone really feels genuinely reliant on a device to such an extent they should throw it away. That's crazy man.

    I don't think theres necessarily anything wrong with frequent cellphone use - its convenient to be able to organise things on the fly, and its a major boost to personal safety. These people who get upset could have perfectly logical reasons for being so - dying-relative-in-hospital, waiting on the results of an important job interview, etc. I'd have been screwed without a mobile while working for the temp agency, because they always called last-minute when they needed someone. People who compulsively call their friends to talk about nothing are idiots, sure, but you're overgeneralising pretty badly there.


    I think considering it necessary to live and becoming seriously agitated with not having it for a few days is not healthy. That's classic dependence. I mean sure, security blankets are cool and all, but at least be cool with admitting to yourself that you're using it as such. *shrug*

    That would bother me.

    You're really being unneccesarily disparaging here. Part of the reason its become more and more important to have a cellphone is that everyone else expects you to. People get in trouble from superiors, clients, relatives, friends, for not being sufficiently available. If you want to rail against that, go ahead - I think a lot of people fail to set appropriate boundaries in that department - but this snide bullshit about 'safety blankets' is really stupid. There's nothing wrong with being safe :|


    There's really no need to be dickish about it. Fine, you couldn't live without your phone. Your Earth would be shattered.

    I'm getting too old for these boards.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Derrick wrote: »
    There's really no need to be dickish about it. Fine, you couldn't live without your phone. Your Earth would be shattered.

    I'm getting too old for these boards.

    ...if you'd bothered reading any of my other posts, you'd have realised I'm not one of those people. Asshole.

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  • siliconenhancedsiliconenhanced __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    japan wrote: »
    I wasn't a big fan of pay as you go, since it seemed that everytime you turned the damn thing on you were eating "units". I don't know if mine was just one of the robbery type services ($20 for 120 units). However, it started charging you "units" from the second ring, even if your person didn't pick up, and God help you if they happened to have a long voice mail message.

    What the hell kind of pay-as-you-go deals do you get in the States? I get charged for making calls and sending texts. That's it. Receiving calls, texts and retrieving Voicemail are free.

    ALL of that was charged under the plan I had. Unless you only use it for emergencies or something, pay as you go really isn't feasible.

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