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milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Artist's Corner
Sorry guys. More comics D:

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I'm at work atm, so I can't make any changes right away, but I was thinking desaturate the colors a little bit, because it's too contrasty, and get rid of the stupid looking gradient in the third panel.

And btw if it still looks too much like a PA ripoff you may as well tell me :?

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  • core tacticcore tactic Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So are they possesed or what?

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  • DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2007
    Why do they have glowing eyes? Is the comic set on the planet Arrakis?

    The characters' expressions don't communicate at all. The round glowing eyes aren't helping.

    I had to look at it several times before I realized that the third panel is supposed to be Optimus and the blond character burying the other guy. Other than that little curl of hair, he doesn't have a recognizable silhouette. It just feels like you were too lazy to draw them.

    The mint green background in the first two panels is really bad. Are they supposed to be in a hospital?

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I don't like how the characters are set low in the first panel, then they're bumped up a bit on the second. Its like they're walking on a slope. Also Why are they so close to the edge of the panel??? You're not framing them well.

    EDIT:

    Transformers sucked!

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, okay, I'll put in their dumb stupid eyeballs :(

    And yeah, I didn't like Transformers either. But I didn't write this comic.

    So the silhouette doesn't work? What if I blew it up a little, so it was tres bigger?

    And finally I'll do another version in a couple hours when I get off work that fixes the character placement, the eyes, everything. I'm thinking in black and white so that you can't see how bad my coloring is.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Also be mindful of hands-in-pocket syndrome, where you stray away from drawing hands by having all of your characters play pocket pool.

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  • core tacticcore tactic Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Also be mindful of hands-in-pocket syndrome, where you stray away from drawing hands by having all of your characters play pocket pool.
    Is it okay if your characters are all chronic masturbators? 'Cus I think that's the route I'm going if I can't get the hands right for mine.

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So hopefully this new version will address most of the issues with the first one.

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    EDIT: and I kept it as a silhouette in the third panel not because I'm lazy but because I wanted to be stylish.

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  • NakedZerglingNakedZergling A more apocalyptic post apocalypse Portland OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    panel 2 shouldn't have him looking at US. have him look after the other guy in disgust, and have his face convay more a silent rage.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    I have got to admit I'm impressed with your latest fairing.

    Not to sound like a pessimist, but did you do the B&W piece all by yourself? There is such a jump in style and quality that I only question this because it is as though you suddenly flipped a switched and "got it".

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Panel 2 I couldn't figure out how to have both of the characters' faces in at the same time while keeping the view so close-up. Suggestions appreciated.

    And yes, I did it myself :|

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, the 2nd attempt is much better. I don't see a problem with the 2nd panel - I read it as intended immediately.

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  • bread of wonderbread of wonder Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Do those eyebrows bother anyone else? Because they bother me. I don't know, my eyes are just drawn to those features immediately, and can't seem to focus on anything else. Maybe it's just because they're outlined so heavily.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    He doesn't look angry in the second panel, he looks kind of inquisitive. "Is it a GM commercial?" not "I hate you so much my anger could blow up the sun"

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
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    Hopefully this addresses both the annoyingly thick eyebrows, and the ambiguous expression in panel 2.

    Anything else? Or am I done this strip?

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  • NakedZerglingNakedZergling A more apocalyptic post apocalypse Portland OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    i thought the eyebrows were actually part of their hair.
    i still think in panel 2 just shift the pupils so they are looking left. in panel 1 you have established that the guy is to the left, so if he's looking after him in anger we understand the message.
    by having him look at us it makes me thing like he's looking to us for approval to kill the other dude.

    like this? i dunno maybe i'm alone on this one.
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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    In the last panel, I'd add a mangled hand peeking from out the ground or something.

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  • MaydayMayday Cutting edge goblin tech Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    i thought the eyebrows were actually part of their hair.

    Same here. Might want to think about it.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    For the second panel, I would stray as far away from "Family Guy Animation" techniques as much as possible. The problem is that your eyes aren't emoting, and they aren't emoting because they remain the same shape. You've just shown us 3 different emotions that are suppose to be drastically different, yet the eye shape has remained the same on all of them.

    Your edit to panel 2 just makes it look mucky and scribbled on, like you haven't quite figured out what's what with it.

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
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  • NakedZerglingNakedZergling A more apocalyptic post apocalypse Portland OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    what about making the hand negative space done black on the white hill?
    might read more like a hand and not a tree in the distance

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  • Canada is 1337Canada is 1337 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Why does he suddenly get so pissed after the GM ad comment? He looks perfectly happy in the first panel, when he seems to already know that his friend hated the movie (This is assuming "Bitchtits" is supposed to be an insult).

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  • NakedZerglingNakedZergling A more apocalyptic post apocalypse Portland OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    no the first guy is saying he liked it. bitchtits is him sayinh it was awesome.

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  • JWashkeJWashke Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Bitchtits sounds like an insult to me. Also with the huh there I read it as a question. So Transformers was the bitchtits huh? then the other guy confirms and says yeah it was just a two hour GM ad.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Heh, I kept reading it as "bitching". I'm assuming it was meant as a positive comment, but yeah, "bitchtits" sounds a bit more like a disparaging remark than a compliment...

    Considering how everyone's piling in to make suggestions, you sure are churning out these WIP-shots quick! Wow!

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Heh, this comic was written by my friend, and "bitchtits" does indeed mean awesome. In his personal language.

    And maybe instead of having a white hand poking up out of the white ground, I should do a black corpse silhouette lying on the white ground?

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think you're overthinking this whole thing. It's good to take people's advice on stuff, but there comes a point when you have to take a step back and rely on your own judgement. It seems like you're overeager to put everyone's suggestions in the strip incrementally and it's making it look a bit of a mess.

    Though I should say this: if you have to take a moment to add an asterisk and explain a term your friend made up that the meaning of which can't be ascertained within the context, that term might not be ready for public consumption. Hell, you could even get a second strip out of it explaining 'bitchtits':

    Gabe: Man, that movie was bitchtits, wasn't it?
    Tycho: Bitchtits? The fuck?!
    Gabe: You know, bitchtits. Like, it was awesome.
    Tycho: I'm sorry. Language is not a right, it's a privilege. And you just lost it. Hand in your vocal cords.
    Gabe: Joke's on you, I've been talking out my ass this whole time.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    multimoog wrote: »
    Gabe: Man, that movie was bitchtits, wasn't it?
    Tycho: Bitchtits? The fuck?!
    Gabe: You know, bitchtits. Like, it was awesome.
    Tycho: I'm sorry. Language is not a right, it's a privilege. And you just lost it. Hand in your vocal cords.
    Gabe: Joke's on you, I've been talking out my ass this whole time.


    Ahahahahah!!! Oh, I laugh far too often at the things said in these boards. You guys are crazy, and I actually learn a lot of English with you.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Fer reals, good show moog

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    That is indeed :^:-worthy.

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  • EnefEnef Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Moog should ask Gabe to draw that and upload it to the site. Then the world will know of the awesomeness of BITCHTITS.


    Also, the guy didn't make it up, the first time i heard it was fightclub when describing Meatloafs drug induced breasts.

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Eh, he didn't make it up then. He's just one of the only people I know who ever uses it to mean awesome.

    Is the comic messy now? Maybe the second panel could be cleaned up. The shading on the guy's face. And the third panel, does the silhoette make it too busy?

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  • u63ru63r Jon "Bad Wasabi" Wood Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Have him gritting his teeth a little.

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  • Mr. H.G. BlobMr. H.G. Blob Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pleeeassse change the eyebrows.

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  • milknpeachesmilknpeaches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    how so? the size of them, or the way they're drawn?

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
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    Eyebrows are very important for conveying emotions. The way you draw them makes it seem as if they'd have a hard time moving. Take your second panel, for exmple: If the guy had to frown, the eye brows would colide... if you didn't want the eyebrows to colide, you'd have to play around with their shape when drawn in a frown, but then you'd be breaking how you draw the character.

    It's like you're shooting yourself in the foot with those brows.

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    how so? the size of them, or the way they're drawn?

    Toaster makes some good suggestions, but very simply put: draw eyebrows the way Gabe draws them.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    multimoog wrote: »
    how so? the size of them, or the way they're drawn?

    Toaster makes some good suggestions, but very simply put: draw eyebrows the way Gabe draws them.

    :x

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