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Well I am in the market for a new pistol. I own a Ruger .22 and it shoots just great at the range. Now I am looking for something with a little more umph. I have been to many gunstores over the past few weeks and held a lot of guns, but really not sure what to get and why. What are things to look for or rather, what are options some pistols have that don't? Most pistols all seem the same to me, so I am not sure what to look for in each of the different brands like Sig, Taurus etc.
This gun will mainly be target practice fun/home defense/maybe some type of hunting but I doubt it.
Revolvers and semi's all welcome.
Edit - My price range is 500 tops. Forgot to mention that.
This gun will mainly be target practice fun/home defense/maybe some type of hunting but I doubt it.
Revolvers and semi's all welcome.
Edit - My price range is 500 tops. Forgot to mention that.
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A gun that can shoot 357 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Python) allows you to load .38 rounds for cheap shooting, but also 357 magnum rounds for extra punch.
Revolvers tend to be more heavy, so are harder to hold up at armslength, but mass of weapon eats up more of the recoil. An exposed hammer does make de-cocking easier.
FYI: MCSOCOM are issued a modified Kimber 1911 .45.
I shot one at a range a couple months ago and oh god it felt so good. Such power. But loading the last couple bullets into the clip is hard as fuck.
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Seriously though, The lineup of glocks suit all different calibres and hand sizes.
Since you've been firing a .22 and you want to go bigger, 9mm isnt too big but its got enough power that it will teach you how to control the recoil and so on. .22s are fun but they handle like bb guns
The 17 is the basic 9mm glock.
The 19 is a 9mm glock but its smaller.
My father used the 19 for almost all of his career in the NYPD (22 years. He started with service revolvers and finished with the Glock). It NEVER malfunctioned on him when he went to the range and he shoots tight groups with it, he kills me when we go to the range.
Funny fact, he Also never had it serviced when he was in NY. Only when we came to FL and went to a gun show and had a Glock gunsmith take it apart did he realize that... It was choc full of nasty shit. Over 15 years worth and still it never malfunctioned on him.
Look around for what suits you best though.
Now I have held glocks (was a while ago) and they seem to feel a bit off. Though I don't have large hands, I think I held the 19 and it felt too small. I heard glocks seem to feel better once you hold them enough, any truth or experience on that?
You might find a Sig 226 or 220 in your price range, handle those and see how you like them. Ruger's P90 and 95 are nice as well. For casual shooting, 9mm will be a good deal cheaper than .45 (or anything else).
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No reason they can't be both. You'll have to explain to me how a Sig is a bitch pistol, though.
(Hint: Us 1911 guys are required by law to make fun of Glocks. It's all in good fun, until someone takes it seriously.)
Edit: Yeah, the 92FS would be a decent choice as well. I hear good things about the CZ-75B, too. There really aren't many bad choices you can make. Like I said above, just go with whatever fits your hand the best. Bonus if the gun store has a range attached where you can test fire things.
Smith and Weston makes a good variety of .40 Caliber handguns that pack decent punch with less recoil then a .45
The Beretta M92FS is a popular choice, but do make sure you get the metal version. I do not like 9mm personally, but it does have a rugged frame.
I swear by my Colt Government Series 1911 A3. I modified the grip safety, installed a new slide with a 3 dot sight and forward cocking grooves, a Ring hammer, and a weighted grip to reduce recoil.
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If you are looking for something you can throw in the mud, jump on, then rack it and fire it the Beretta 92 series is a good choice. I haven't used the composite models, but I'm not big on the use of anything but steel on a firearms frame.
Essentially they are. Just about any new, modern manufactured firearm that retails for about $250ish or more will serve your purposes just fine. Finding one that appeals to you aesthetically and ergonomically will probably be the most important thing to look for.
But, one thing that's objectively undeniable is that some types of ammo are less expensive than others. If you plan on doing lots of plinking you will probably be better served by getting something chambered in 9mm or .357 Magnum (which can then shoot .38 special).
Not all pistols are the same.
The guy who said that is dumb, dont listen to him.
For 500 bucks, try out a glock. They go in the 450 range. They are accurate, reliable, easy to maintain, lightweight, and nice.
If the Glock19 felt too small to you, try the Glock17. Its the exact same gun, just larger.
Also, you might hear about "zomg glocks blow up" They dont.
If you use a glock .40 or .45 caliber, with an overpowered round like a crappy home reload, you may cause a small explosion. Thats only if you are an idiot with crappy ammunition though. If you use either reloads that are done within normal standards, or factory ammunition, you will be fine.
Looks like someone's been suckered by the marketing hype.
You think those positive characteristics don't apply to firearms made by Taurus, S&W, Colt, Kimber, HK, CZ, Sig, Kel Tec, Para Ordnance, SA, etc.etc. etc. in the 250-500 price range? If so I await your well reasoned and well researched article explaining why.
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They have Sig P225 9mm used, looks to be factory refurbed, for $350. It also comes with 2 mags and a leather holster. Now I noticed at least from online new, Sigs costed a huge amount more then others, why is that?
Also, how good is this deal? Better off with used or new?
I would assume that the license would be applicable to owning a pistol, rather than just buying, but I'm not from Michigan. Either way, what's the harm in obtaining one to be on the safe side?
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Looks like Michigan requires a permit before you can own one:
I would call your local police department and ask them. It doesn't look like you need the permit before you inherit the gun, though, just make sure you get it eventually.
But when you decide to step up and become a real man, buy a 1911.
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If it's factory refurbed, that's a fine deal. The P225s has been used by cops of different countries for years and years. Two things to consider: first, it's a single stack gun, meaning it won't hold as many shots in the magazine as some other guns (8 vs. 14 or so). It does make the grip slimmer, though. Second, check where the magazine release is; if it's a button right behind the trigger, it's a US model. If it's on the bottom of the gun, it's a Euro model. No differences between the two other than that, but I prefer the US magazine release.
For general plinking I think it would be a perfect gun for you. They're quite accurate, and dead reliable.
Edit: Don't let refurbished scare you. Sig only replaces normal wear pieces (springs, mostly), if there's any major wear they just get tossed. The most you'll see is some holster wear.
Listen here, sport, don't come in here acting like some pompous jerk accusing others of falling for marketing hype.
My reasoning for why there is a difference? Ive been shooting about 150 rounds a week every week for the past 6 years or so. I've done basic pistol target shooting, rifle shooting, and IDPA competitions alongside grandmasters. I know a thing or 2 about shooting.
Now, you go find yourself a Double action S&W 4586 and put 100 rounds through it. Come back and tell me that its as accurate, reliable, lightweight, or even nice, as a Glock. A better example would be a 1911, but thats out of the 500 range.
Yes buddy, there is a huge difference. SIGs are way heavier than glocks and HKs. I've never shot a S&W non-revolver that I liked, but it hasnt been many. Most of taurus's stuff are S&W clones. Kimbers are expensive as crap.
Edit: As per the sig you found, yeah, that sounds like a good deal. I personally wouldnt want 8 rounds of 9mm for personal carry/protection, but I dont think thats what you're looking for. Generally for self defense, if you are gonna have less than 10 rounds, you're gonna want a .45. Most 9mms come in 14+ round magazines. But yeah, for fun at the range? That sounds like a great deal.
Sig has a very solid reputation. As long as the way it feels when held and fired agree with you, it's a good deal. Note that this is very subjective so if at all possible renting a P225 from a range and firing it is highly recommended before you commit to a purchase. How a gun feels when fired can sometimes be quite different from what you expect, ie Glock 19s seem to scrape my fingers even though Glock 17s are just fine.
As for the price, I think it's partially due to Sig using more metal compared to Glock and partially due to Sig needing to go through an extra hoop due to Switzerland's laws regarding export of weapons (basically they need branches in other countries to do more legwork and manufacturing after engineers in Switzerland design the stuff).
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Anyway, the P225 is an excellent weapon. For $350, even if it isn't refurbished, it's a pretty good price. I'd say you pretty much couldn't go wrong there.
Looks like a US model, well at least the one I was holding, since the button was behind the trigger. I ASSUME its a refurbed, because they had at least three on the floor and probably more and the back and plus they had an ad in their little flyer and nothing mentioning "while supplies last". I asked two people there, one woman it was like her second day and the second guy believes its a refurbed, but I am not 100% sure. I can't imagine it could be anything else, since it was a police model.
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Ah yes, because if the OP were to use a 4586 in a self defense situation he'd be practically guaranteed to die. Those pistols are completely incapable of being fired in self defense. Or if he happened to like the way it fit his hand and he found it aesthetically pleasing, nevertheless he'd be completely unable to enjoy shooting it. And of course the weight difference between the two is massive, which BTW is an especially important characteristic for a pistol he's going to plink with and leave on the bedside table at night. And really, wouldn't a heavier pistol be better for plinking, because it will absorb more recoil?
Your lack of evidence about reliability is noted. I'm sure Glock has never put out a bad pistol.
But that doesn't mean that glocks are bad pistols and the OP shouldn't buy them! If he likes glock he should get a glock. If he likes classic S&W autos he should get one of those. If he likes Taurus 24/7s, those are fine, too. And on and on through all the modern manufactured firearms that are available to the US consumer. As long as he likes them, just about any of those pistols will serve his purposes quite well. And $350 for a full size sig is good, especially with the extras.
Not to pick nits, but the P226 is only 2 oz heavier than the G19, and the P220 is 7 ounces lighter than the G21.
On another note, I am looking at G20s. I have a bunch of 10mm brass sitting in the closet and no gun to reload it for. :x My only complaint is the horrid, horrid trigger on the few I've fired.
Cool. The price matches what I've seen for refurbed, so I assume it is as well. I say buy, if you like how it feels.
That might be dangerous unless you get an aftermarket barrel.
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html
However, dude, seriously. The 4586? It really is a piece of crap. My dad used one for 20 years with his police department. I shot it several times at the range, as did he. Lemme tell ya something, 10lb trigger pulls are not fun to shoot. Even when it did shoot, there were often issues with failure to feed, and stovepiping.
And yeah, all the kBs I've heard of came from reloaded 10mm, 357sig, or .40s
Also, fats, how the heck is the p220 heavier than the 21? Im not saying you are wrong, but, could that weight be loaded weight? As the G21 carries about 5 more rounds of .45 in its mag
One that's caught my interest is the Sig Pro SP 2022, Can be chambered for 9mm, 357, and S&W 45.
If the gun is going to more be for target practices, as people have said, 9mm is gonna be a money saver.
Other than that, My only suggestion is find one that feels right in your hand, weight wise and all that jazz.
you NEED a .38 special minimum, or a .40 S&W or .45 ACP. FiveSevens work well but you need to be a crack shot with them (they are basically .22s)
Um, a 9mm JHP is more deadly than a .38 special.
a 9mm will infact do the job. It has been doing the job for several years. Ever hear of the MP5? That subgun that swat teams use all the time*? Its a 9mm.
A .45 or a 40 will hurt more, but you are sacrificing the ammount of ammunition you can carry. Some people would rather have 7 .45s than 17 9mm. I personally prefer the latter.
Also, to the guy who said "If you need more than 8 shots of .22 for self defense, you need more range time"
There have been documented cases of people getting shot about 3 times in the head, at point blank range, with a .22, and then going on TV to talk about it.
5.7s do not work. They are good for little more than shooting rats. With the right ammo, they can go through a ton of kevlar, but to my understanding, basically zip right through flesh before they can tumble, not creating much in the way of a cavity.
*Most big SWAT teams are switching out to .223s and M4s now. The point is that the 9mm has worked for many of years, all the way back to the Iranian Embassy in England.
9mm is a fine round for self defense. Many loads (+p, +p+) have more than enough velocity to create the energy needed to penetrate to the CNS. Modern bullet technologies allow for the 9mm round to expand enough to create a sufficient wound cavity. While it may not be as terminally efficient as a .40 S&W or .45 ACP (Sorry, the .38 special loses, bigtime), the benifit of shooting 9mm is that 1)most 9mm pistols hold more rounds, and 2) there is significantly less recoil, allowing for quicker follow-up shots. The .40 S&W in particular is known for its violent, "snappy" recoil. Most people agree that the .45 ACP is a little easier to control than the .40S&W as its recoil is somewhat less violent and more of a "push".
As for .45 vs 9, the choice is really up to the shooter. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Personally, I like to shoot .45, but I own pistols in both calibers.
Just remember - a 9mm may expand, but a .45 will never shrink! ;-)
FWIW, the 5.7 has way too high a velocity for self defense. It does not create a sufficient wound cavity at the distances typically encountered in self defense (~10-15 feet).
Yeah, that's loaded weight, so I figure they weigh about the same when unloaded. Aluminum is pretty light.
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