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I'd like some feedback on my webcomic

chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
edited August 2007 in Artist's Corner
This may be a bad time because there seems to be a lot of these critique threads floating around right now, but I am just starting a webcomic and would like some feedback. Let me know what you think and what needs improvement.

Right now there are only 3 strips:
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Btw, slightly off-topic question: are a lot of the regulars here authors of webcomics themselves? Because I saw that in some of these other critique threads, a lot of people came out to give good advice.

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  • AumniAumni Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The art isn't HORRIBLE but the poses and such are dull. The first comic took me some time to realize he was sitting at a piano, the joke is there but it needs to be livened up. That scene where sasukeanimeguy stabs the hunched dude could use some better poses and a better perspective. The guy getting stabbed doesn't look like he got stabbed, and the guy stabbing isn't putting any UMPH into it.

    Comic 2 and 3 have a fuckton of reading, the first panel of comic 3 is basically a paragraph with a doodle next to it. The font and the speech bubbles(when there) are an eyesore. Again in comic 2 the stab scene's bubble woulda worked much better with jagged edges showing excitement or shouting or anger. Explore some more fonts and look at comics and see how they do their speech bubbles. I did chuckle on comic 3 a little bit, the humor needs a little more development and timing.

    Keep at it man!


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  • anableanable North TexasRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Aummi is right about the poses. They are a bit bland. Also, the text etc advise is spot on. In comic 2, you could really cut out all of the this-is-an-art-appreciation-tv-show thing and just have two people with different views talk about art and then stab each other. That's the joke right? Cut the rest out. In comic three it took me three reads before I realized that the guy was sitting at a Poker table. I guess the Pocket Rockets comment should have made it clear but the Linux shirt threw me off.

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The first thing I noticed in the first one, was that the work bubbles have thicker lines than the characters themselves. And I didn't get the joke.

    The second one had way too much writing, so I didn't read it.

    The third one has even more writing than the second one! Goddam thats a shitload of text!


    You should be able to convey a joke in a comic strip with about 1/20th of the words you currently have.

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  • SavedSaved Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The art is really... inconsistent.

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  • CatnipCatCatnipCat Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, the first one is really Family Guy-like, and the others are kinda standard cartoony figures.

    The jokes are not as horrible as most webcomics posted here, but the speech ballons are really annoying. The words are too close to the ballon in most instances, which creates a lot of tension and makes it hard to read.

    And yeah, there is a lot of words in the second two. Those could have probably been condensed down into something more concise that gets the point across with less words.

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  • VirumVirum Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The first thing I noticed in the first one, was that the work bubbles have thicker lines than the characters themselves. And I didn't get the joke.
    It's Ludwig van Beethoven.

    He wrote a song called Für Elise. (For Elise) You've probably heard it...

    Get it now? It's still not that funny, though. Maybe if it were better implemented... I dunno.

    OP: I find the art dull, and the rendered face in the last one is way out of place.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Wow, Beethoven was buff!

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  • core tacticcore tactic Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, one day soon, I'll make a comic or two, and then a topic. And there'll be like no penis jokes or whatever and with good art and then everyone will be dissapointed 'cus they can't make fun of me.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, one day soon, I'll make a comic or two, and then a topic. And there'll be like no penis jokes or whatever and with good art and then everyone will be dissapointed 'cus they can't make fun of me.

    You should make it about two guys who sit on a couch and play Halo.

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  • chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I see what you mean about the poses. I guess there isn't much I can do about that except practice drawing people more.

    In #1 I was originally going to draw the propped up lid of a grand piano, but found that it obstructed the faces too much. Now that I think back, I think something like this would have worked better, yes?

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    I realize that my art style is inconsistent. I haven't really developed my own style yet, so I just copied whatever style I thought fitted the subject. For example, for #1 I was thinking of Beethoven as a Quagmire-like character, hence the family guy style. Is this a bad thing? Should I try to streamline all my comics to have the same look?

    On speech bubbles: so make the borders less thick and have more white space buffering the text and the border? Anything else I should work on?

    Aumni: Can you tell me exactly what's wrong with the font I have (so that I know what to look for in a replacement)? I don't know a lot about fonts, only that you should use one without serifs for a comic, and to avoid comic sans serif because apparently that is a terrible faux pas. I picked one that I thought didn't look retarded and was easy to read, but... it's no good?

    earthworm and catnip: most of my strips won't be so wordy. I feel I should explain myself regarding #3, though, and you can feel free to tell me why I'm wrong: each panel is kind of a joke in itself, making fun of each of those characters. Now, I don't have a lot of recurring characters; that means that in each strip characters are basically being introduced for the first time, and the reader has to get a feel for their personality from that one encounter. In many of the strips I have planned, this won't matter because the humor will be more plot-based, but in this particular strip, the entire joke is their personalities. It's true that I could get the gist of the point across with a sentence or too, but I think that the speech as I have it contains more character.

    Thanks for the replies so far! I'll try to keep these in mind for the next one.

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  • rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Honestly, style is a difficult thing to get a handle on. Often it is not something people deliberately pick. I do not think Gabe developed the art style he did through any real conscious decision. If you get better at drawing in general, your drawings will take on a look of their own. Regardless of whether you are aiming for realism or cartoons, your drawings will look like your drawings. Of course, I suppose it is possible to 'coach' in a certain technique or style, but that will usually weaken someones offering overall because in order to coach in something like that they have to be referencing something else. Making their work unoriginal and boring.

    Only the best of the best can really command 'style' in whichever direction they want. For the majority, 'style' is just a crutch. I would worry less about the style and just draw shit the way you feel like drawing it. And do as good a job as you can at drawing it that way. Practice, get better. And you will get better if you practice. Regardless of what 'style' you draw in.

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  • JaredJared Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think the 3rd one just threw me off because I couldn't understand why the guy buying the iphone was infinitely more "real" than all the other characters. Is there a philosophic statement being made?

    Seriously though, do what you want with style....but I'd say keep it consistent within the frame of one piece(comic) unless the joke IS the contrast of style (Warlock from those super-old New Mutants comics comes to mind).
    Oh and remember that drawing things as they look in reality is also a "style". As long as you can make things look the way you want and the reader understands/accepts the premise, it'll work. Of course, I'm someone who doesn't really believe in elbows and noses, so take my words with a grain of salt. Just draw what's best for communicating your idea and style will come out of it.
    -jared

    PS: It just occurred to me that the last iPhone panel might be in reference to some commercial you Colonials have going for you in America. If that's the case, the drastic style shift is appropriate and I'm out of touch. We don't get too many US adverts here.

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  • core tacticcore tactic Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Rolo wrote: »
    Man, one day soon, I'll make a comic or two, and then a topic. And there'll be like no penis jokes or whatever and with good art and then everyone will be dissapointed 'cus they can't make fun of me.

    You should make it about two guys who sit on a couch and play Halo.

    Hey you're right! That would be amazing.

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  • chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    cake & jared: right, I get that and I'm not really worried; I'm sure I'll have my own style eventually. I was just explaining why there is such a range in those 3 comics. In #2, since I was parodying Naruturd, I made the drawings like they do on the show. Thanks for your comments and encouragement!

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  • AgoodzAgoodz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Re: Comic # 3-

    do you have stairs in your house

    edit: oh, and # 1 looks like family guy

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    You wouldn't seem like such a turd if you just said "Hey, do you frequent Something Awful?"

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  • AgoodzAgoodz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You wouldn't seem like such a turd if you just said "Hey, do you frequent Something Awful?"

    hahah

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  • chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Here is the latest one. I've tried to incorporate some of the advice in this thread. I also read what people were saying about varying line weights in the hijinks ensue thread, and so I played with that, but I think I may have overdone it a little. Welp, tell me what you think!
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    Agoodz: yes, I frequent the awful forums. Did you catch the thread where that one came from?

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  • JWashkeJWashke Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Well the art definitely looks better, but I think the joke is terrible. I think it could be better if you used some fancy made up medical term to hint at it then she asks whats that or something like that but I dunno.

    And the doctor looks like he has a banana on his face in the last frame.

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  • FibretipFibretip Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    well the line weight does look better, still needs work obviously but it's a good try.
    the joke is meh, but my real trouble with the strip is "unzip"

    "zip" is an onomatopoeic word to begin with, whichever way you pull a zip it goes ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip. *unzip* just looked clunky and weird. it's not like we're going to think that his remedy for her lack of cock is doing his pants up... i think *zip would suffice

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  • TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think the fact that he used "unzip" is the funniest thing about the whole strip.

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  • core tacticcore tactic Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Why, that won't help her nymphomania, that'll just inflame it more!

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  • chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Well, it's encouraging to know it looks better, at least. I'll play with it some more.

    Fibre: I guess you're right. That's exactly the reason I used unzip, so people wouldn't think he was zipping up his pants, but I guess I should give people more credit.

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    To be fair, she kinda looks like an angry man in a wig. I'd be zipping my pants up too.

    Art is improving though, keep it up!

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  • Captain HeavysteinCaptain Heavystein Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    chiyosdad wrote: »
    Here is the latest one. I've tried to incorporate some of the advice in this thread. I also read what people were saying about varying line weights in the hijinks ensue thread, and so I played with that, but I think I may have overdone it a little. Welp, tell me what you think!
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    Agoodz: yes, I frequent the awful forums. Did you catch the thread where that one came from?

    It loses some funny with the un-subtle statement of "intake of cock"

    Might I suggest a more humour-angled phrasing for these things, such as "you're lacking some very important nutrients" followed by something like "I need you to open wide". In fact, there are a thousand possibilities for a framework like this. Go for interesting approaches.

    If the gag is displayed in the picture, there is no need to reenforce it in the verbage. The two should compliment one another, but still present their own qualities of the message. That is the glory of comics.

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  • ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The visuals look MUCH better with line weight variation, so kudos on that. Tossing in some light colors or shading will improve this further.

    The joke is ok I guess, at least for this thread since it comes as an anti-response to the whole "why not just make a joke about cocks?" It would honestly be a lot better IMO with just the first 2 panels. That is the joke. The third panel draws it out and drains vital funny. Personally, I'd ditch the last panel, replace his second speech bubble with something like "Hmm..." or "Yup." hell you could even remove her first speech bubble. The simplicity speaks for itself better than verbally explaining everything.

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  • CamCam Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
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    See, now it's like practically PBF-worthy.

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Have to admit it thats tons funnier. Never beat your audience over the head with a joke.

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  • FibretipFibretip Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    or you could leave the third panel as it is... and give a silly twist in a fourth panel....
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  • JWashkeJWashke Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Now That one had me laughing out loud.

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  • chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fibretip wrote: »
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    Haha damn, that is a lot funnier.


    I see what you mean about the third panel drawing it out. I'll keep this in mind for the next one.

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  • hijinksensuehijinksensue Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I echo most of the sentiments on this page:
    1) Drawing style and line wright are MUCH improved
    2) The Joke needs work (or to be replaced with something funny). It seems like you taped the punch line to a piano and dropped it on my head from 30 stories high.
    3) The doc in the final panel looks like a woman.
    4) "SHE'S CODING! NURSE! 20 CC's OF COCK, STAT!"

    5) woman: Doctor, whats wrong with me?
    doc: You have Cancer. And your Cancer has AIDS.
    Woman: Am I going to die?
    Doctor: Yes.
    (Woman Dies)
    (Doc mounts her corpsified remains)
    ( 3 weeks later the woman's corpse calls the doctor)
    Corpse: Jeffrey.... I'm late....

    Get it? Late? She's dead!
    That's gross. You're gross.

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  • CamCam Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    :lol::lol::lol:

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  • chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    How's this? Pacing better?

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  • r-jasperr-jasper Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    her hair is different colours...

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  • anableanable North TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    chiyosdad wrote: »
    How's this? Pacing better?

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    That's fucking hilarious. I don't like the title of the comic, but I love the joke. In fact, I think you should take out your titles all together.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    hehe

    gimpy

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Pacing is better, art is a little weird in that first panel. The grey on the background makes it look flat, like the road is next to a grey wall with trees and houses painted on it. If anything, make the road grey (helps us know it's a road) and the background white, which will let it fade out more.

    Also keep her hair consistent in shade between the two panels. It confuses the reader into thinking there's a third character.

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  • chiyosdadchiyosdad Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Yes, that makes sense. I got tired since I'd been working on the shading for so long, so by then I just said fuck it and greyed all of the background out.

    I'll keep in mind the stuff about consistent shading. My thoughts were that it's a closer shot in the second panel, so that you should be able to see more detail in the shading.

    lilchingch0ng: I'm... not sure if that's a compliment or an insult...

    anable: Yay someone likes it!

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited August 2007
    I don't understand what the title has to do with the joke. It actually ruins the joke since I'm still thinking about the title more than the comic itself.

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