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I need my life back on track

Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
So I've been fucking up my life pretty badly for the last few years. There's a few big problems that I just don't know how to deal with anymore.

First off in May 2006 I got kicked out of school in Chicago IL and had to move back home to bumbfuck IL. This of course left me with debt that I sooner or later have to deal with. Around $7000 of my own debt, and $70000 of loans that my parents took out for me to go to school. So basically I have a hell of a lot of debt, which limits my options a bit.

When I got back home I started going to a community college, but the idea of starting over after 3 years (my credits wouldn't transfer) coupled with my dad's migraines and my inability to pay for school without going further in debt made me decide to leave school to look for work. This is when I discovered my biggest problem.

No matter how many places I apply at, no matter how well I do on the interview, I can't seem to find work. After 9-10 months of looking (with a 3 month break for going into and getting let go of the Air Force) I'm still unemployed. I'm getting to the point where I don't think I'll ever be able to find work.

And I don't know exactly why I'm having such a hard time. I've never gotten fired from a job. I've never been arrested. I don't do drugs. I've only had 3 interviews in the past year, so obviously it's something to do with my applications or work history that's doing it. And it's not like I'm only apply at a few jobs, I've handed in hundred of applications at all different types of places. Fast food, office jobs, retail, movie theaters, call centers, walmart. Pretty much anyplace I can. About the only thing I haven't tried is temp agencies, but I'm worried that they won't be able to do anything with me either.

The only thing I can think of that's doing this is my work history. I've had 5 jobs since 2001 and the longest I've been at any one of them is 8 months. The last 2 jobs I was at for only a couple of months. And there are multiple gaps in my work history. But at the time I wasn't trying to support myself. I was "focusing" on school (which turned out to be untrue. I was too busy having fun and eventually getting kicked out).

Anyway, so basically my problem comes down to this; I can't find work because of my spotty work history. I'm running out of places to apply at that are in the area (small town surrounded by other small towns). I can't move to go somewhere where I might have a better chance at finding work because of not having any money at all and not knowing if I'd be able to find work once there.

I need some sort of help.

No I don't.
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  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I, honestly, can't really empathize, as I'm still in high school and haven't had to deal with many of these problems yet. The things you're talking about are still down the road a little ways for me. However, I'll say this: Have you tried approaching interviews differently? Maybe you're emphasizing the wrong virtues. Try playing up things you haven't been mentioning, and laying off things that you've been extolling. You may not be telling the interviewers what they want to hear. Naturally, there are bounds: You should still talk about what a hard worker you are, or how flexible your schedule is, or whatever, but when it comes to "extracurriculars", for lack of a better word, try shifting the pitch a bit. At every place, try something different. You may not be representing yourself to your fullest extent.

    Also, just to let you know, it's spelled "debt". Don't mean to be a dick, and I don't want to be infracted for saying so, just thought it might be something you want to know.

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I, honestly, can't really empathize, as I'm still in high school and haven't had to deal with many of these problems yet. The things you're talking about are still down the road a little ways for me. However, I'll say this: Have you tried approaching interviews differently? Maybe you're emphasizing the wrong virtues. Try playing up things you haven't been mentioning, and laying off things that you've been extolling. You may not be telling the interviewers what they want to hear. Naturally, there are bounds: You should still talk about what a hard worker you are, or how flexible your schedule is, or whatever, but when it comes to "extracurriculars", for lack of a better word, try shifting the pitch a bit. At every place, try something different. You may not be representing yourself to your fullest extent.

    Also, just to let you know, it's spelled "debt". Don't mean to be a dick, and I don't want to be infracted for saying so, just thought it might be something you want to know.

    No worries about the spelling. It's never been my strong suite.

    As far as the interviews go, as I've said, I've only had 3 since I started looking for work. And for every one I've found out that I didn't get the job because someone more qualified interviewed for the position.
    My real problem is that I can't seem to get to the interview phase. Out of those 3 interviews only one was from them calling me. The other 3 were from job fairs.

    Not saying that I won't keep your advice in mind though.

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  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    If you are having trouble finding a job, try the local golf course. Golf courses are always looking for people during the summer months to work on the grounds crew, as the more grunts they hire the more free time the higher ups on the greens crew have to improve the course and repair stuff.

    I worked on a golf course for two years and I must say, its hard work and early mornings but at least its something.. plus, it will get you in shape. Also, most courses offer free golf for their employees and sometimes family members, which is a nice bonus.

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  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Alright, well, to be frank, I'm probably not the most equipped to help you out.

    Regardless, good luck, and remember that if you can't get a job where you are, there are plenty of towns with shallow labor pools, and some that are maybe nearby. I understand that, due to the debt, moving isn't exactly an option, but if things get bad enough you should consider the pros and cons of a lengthy commute.

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Right now my radius of looking is about 50 miles. Anything bigger than that and it'd be 2-3 months till my car would go after getting the job.

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  • aesiraesir __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Yea, thats pretty absurd. You should have gotten some sort of job by now. Crappy restaraunt jobs are not hard to come by...

    Talk to your parents and have them talk to all their friends who work somewhere where they could put in a good word for you, or could even hire you themselves. Thats definitely the easiest way to get a job. My parents always knew tons of people when I was younger who could give me restaraunt work or various other things from manual labor to factory work. Beg your friends too.

    Other idea. Develop a skill. You've had 9 months, and if you'd spent all that time learning a skill, you'd get a job. Personally, I'm a 3d artist, and can get lots of freelance work that way, but for someone with no artistic apptitude, perhaps you could teach yourself web design and then start whoring yourself out on the net. Frankly this is kind of a long term approach, but I dont know what else to tell you if its impossible for you to get a minimum wage job. Developing an employable skill will serve you well. Find out what interests you and can be self taught. Not shit like accounting or management or any bullshit you need college for. I'm talking arts and crafts.

    Craigslist has a couple thousand listings a day for jobs and part time gigs where I live. Probably not so much where you are. Still look. There are lots of remote jobs if you have a skill that can be done from anywhere, so don't just search in your city if you have a skill set.

    Get some social skills and learn how to my schmoozy. Chat people up and make them give you a job. You say you've handed in hundreds of applications? Well shit, it sounds like you're pretty fucking desperate considering your parents situation in the other thread. This time, apply, and then follow up a couple days later and start talking to people. Have conversations. Even do this as you apply. Invite them to lunch and talk about the bussiness they're in. Show an interest. Doing this type of shit can be really hard, but it sounds like you need to actually put some work into getting some money, so schmoooze. Dont just turn in an application. Ask to talk to whoever is in charge and talk about the establishment. Ask questions. Act as though you have tons of options and are just looking for the best place for you. Have fun with it and people everyone if your bumbfuck town.


    Beg.

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  • Dulcius_ex_asperisDulcius_ex_asperis Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    As far as the interviews go, as I've said, I've only had 3 since I started looking for work. And for every one I've found out that I didn't get the job because someone more qualified interviewed for the position.
    My real problem is that I can't seem to get to the interview phase. Out of those 3 interviews only one was from them calling me. The other 3 were from job fairs.

    Have you tried calling them?

    The best way to get hired somewhere is to call them back.

    Do you have a resume? I'll look at it for you, if you want. That sounds weird, but I am looking into a career in copy-editing and I would be glad to help you spice up your work info. There are ways to make it sound better, you know? I just finished a class in Business and Professional Writing and it taught me some crazy things...I had no idea such small things were so important.

    Turn in a resume to everyone. No matter if it seems like you're just applying to McDonald's or somewhere crappy, and they won't need a resume. They'll appreciate the added professionalism.

    Also, you can never dress too professionally. Wear slacks, a button down, a nice tie (if you're a guy). You know, work it.

    And yeah, schmoozing is never bad (unless you're terribly uncomfortable doing it...then, don't).

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Do you mind me asking why/how you got kicked out of college and the Air Force? If those are listed on your resume, I would imagine that alot of employers are going to immediately write you off as irresponsible. If there were outside circumstances (maybe a family illness that you had to attend to or whatever) those black marks might be mitigated somewhat.

    You could also consider leaving them off your resume altogether, but it sounds like you don't have much else to put on there.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    How are you going about looking for work?

    Are you treating it like a job and spending full time job like hours on it? If you aren't, you should be. Are you getting out of the house? Thats always helpful for treating it like a job IMO. Go to a library or a job search centre.

    Are you following up with the places you apply, and doing your best to convey the message that you specifically want to work for them? It doesn't have to be true but showing even the appearance of interest and desire to work for that specific employer will help.

    Try the temp agencies. They're a good way to get into the workforce and get working. It would help to know what your skills are though, and what kind of work you want to do.

    As for gaps on your resumes, there are ways to get around that. Don't do a strict chronological resume, do one that focuses on your strengths and skills.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The first red flag I see is the gaps in your work history. Also the fact that you haven't been at a job longer than 8 months. Those two are major strikes against you in the workforce, even if its unskilled labor or some crap job. Even to hire someone at McDonald's it costs quite a bit of money for the employer. They aren't going to waste their time and especially not their money. This puts you in an even tighter spot.

    Do not fudge any aspects of your resume or work history just to get a job. I've done it once and while it did not backfire for me *this time*, it almost always assuredly will. I regret doing it and I will never do it again. Pretty much the only advice I can offer, and I know this really doesn't help, is to not give up. You need to land a job and stick with it. I would suggest a position at a University. My uni always has pages and pages of listings for jobs. Most jobs don't pay less than $8-9 and some are $11-13. Positions range from groundskeepers to data entry to student aid. They've got jobs out the ass. Also if you're near a community college check there as well. My CC always had a big job board packed with listings.

    Worst comes to worse, try a temp agency. I despise temping with a seething fury, and if it were up to me the guy who created temp agencies would be drug into the street and shot in the face. But, alas, this isn't my world, thankfully. A temp agency might be just what you need to get you back on your feet, but I would not stay one minute longer than necessary.

    And did I read that right? $70,000 in student loans? If I may ask, what school did you attend?

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! DownriverRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm not sure why nothing else is working for you, but since it isn't, you should definitely look into the temp agencies. Yes, the work usually sucks, and it's temporary. But it's better than nothing, and temp agencies are sometimes more lenient than regular employers (since it is just a temp position). If you do well at the jobs they assign you though, you will often times get better jobs, or employers will want to hire you permanently based on your performance.

    Also, stop spending so much time on the internet. If you have a stable job and life and you can work lots of internet time in without really affecting that, okay whatever, that's fine. But considering that you've been kicked out of college and aren't in school now, you're living with your parents, and have been unemployed for almost a full year, I'd say there are better ways you could be spending your time. How much time per day do you spend looking for a job? As a rule, if you don't have a job, you should spend the amount of time per day you would have spent working to look for a new job. Until you have a permanent job, finding a job should be your job. If you aren't spending at least several hours a day working on finding a job, you aren't trying hard enough. And considering how much you post here, I can almost guarantee that you haven't been trying hard enough.

    Look, I'm not trying to dump on you here, but at some point you just have to face reality. It should not be this hard to find work. McDonald's or Taco Bell or places like that will hire just about anyone with a valid ID and a pulse. Even if you have the worst work history in the world, you should be able to get work in fast food or retail. Are you dressing up nice with a shirt and tie (and this includes when you hand in applications, not just the interview - if you hand in a job application looking like a slob, they'll probably throw it in the trash without a second thought)? Are you calling these places back after a few days? Are you showing them that you really want to work there, even if you don't really want to work there?

    Basically, it sounds like you just need to step up your efforts. However much you think you're doing now, you need to do more. Don't be too proud to do certain jobs - for example, mowing lawns can earn you some good money. Just remember that anything is better than going ten months without a paycheck.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Good god, 70k of debt? Is there any way to get back into whatever school you were in? I would hate to have that much debt and nothing to show for it. I was kicked out of college for low grades and had to re-apply to get back in, but I did manage to bring my grades up and graduate.

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  • ArdorArdor Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Are you able to use any of those credits you achieved? If you can find a school which would allow you to transfer at least some of those credits, you could look at trying to complete school, which I think may also allow you to defer interest, depending on the loans.

    The degree can probably help overlook your past work history of not having held a job for any periods longer than 8 months.

    I would urge you to consider contacting temp agencies. Around here, typical job stints are 1-3 months. After that, the place either hires you on full time or they find you a new place to try. You can use this as a chance to get some money while figuring out what you are going to do, if anything, about the 3 years of credits.

    For what it's worth, I have found that depending on the type of work you do or want to do, it's easier to get into a company via a temp agency or contractor agency. I was a contractor for the company I now work for, 2 years before they hired me on. I was self-employed. However, many companies, as has been mentioned above, incur noticeable costs upon hiring someone. Using temps or contractors is easier to get through some budget processes, giving you the easier option of getting jobs through that.

    For what it's worth, I would also be willing to look at your resume. If you'd like to tell us what town you live in, some of us, myself included, can probably help you look for some options coupled with know what's on your resume.

    One other thing, you might consider letting us know whether you'd be willing to finish school if you can reclaim some/most/all of those credits you've already earned. Folks can also probably help you with some information on finding various routes to getting more school loans and such.

    Above all, I wish you good luck. If you'd like any possible help on a resume or finding temp/contractor places, I can try to help you if you want to pm me.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    Do you mind me asking why/how you got kicked out of college and the Air Force? If those are listed on your resume, I would imagine that alot of employers are going to immediately write you off as irresponsible. If there were outside circumstances (maybe a family illness that you had to attend to or whatever) those black marks might be mitigated somewhat.

    You could also consider leaving them off your resume altogether, but it sounds like you don't have much else to put on there.

    I want to know this, too, at least in general terms. Something like this could be what's holding employers back if it's a serious enough case, especially if it involves violence.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Going back and looking at this again, I have to say, he definitely should not be using a chronological format for his resume, since it will show off the gaps in work rather badly.


    I'm also wondering what, if any, references the OP has.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Is this ANY job you can't get work doing? Or just a certain field?

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The "hundreds" of applications is a little bit of an exaggeration actually. It's more along the lines of 40-50.

    As far as my Air Force experience, I got an entry level separation because of suffering horrible panic attacks. It had nothing to do with my commitment to it or my willingness to do what they asked me. I just couldn't handle that amount of stress and that caused them to let me go. It wasn't a dishonorable or honorable discharge. It's an uncharacterized discharge.

    As for college, I got kicked out because my academic completion rate was too low. I didn't take the school seriously and I am now paying for that mistake. The school was the Illinois Institute of Art Schaumburg, and the amount of my debt is again because of my mistake of not taking it seriously. However no prospective employer would know that I got kicked out of college (actually, I was told that I wouldn't be able to attend the quarter after my current one and I decided to quit before completing the quarter. Funnily enough a few months ago I got a letter from the school asking me to come back... at a higher locked in tuition). I could honestly say that I quit school to enter the work force.

    Neither of these involve violence. I have thought about finishing out school, but I am very wary of incurring more debt. The $7000 that I have on my own wouldn't stop me from getting loans to finish out, but the $70000 that my parents have wouldn't be deferred if I went back. Considering their financial situation I don't know if I could go back to school and have them deal with the payments on their own. It seems like it might be the wrong thing to do.

    Also, seeing how I've basically given up on artistic persuits over the last year, I don't know if I'm at the right level to go back and try to finish up. If nothing else I'd have to spend 3-4 months trying to get myself back to the level I was before.

    As far as references, I only have my friends. I've worked with a few of them before, but that was years ago and wasn't in the same fields they are in now.

    I'll post my job history in a little bit. This post is getting a little long.

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  • Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I don't know how things work in the U.S. but over here doing volunteer work at <whatever interests you> can be a nice addition to your resume, especially if it's something that requires or develops a particular skill, so you might consider that while you're looking for a job.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The "hundreds" of applications is a little bit of an exaggeration actually. It's more along the lines of 40-50.

    As far as my Air Force experience, I got an entry level separation because of suffering horrible panic attacks. It had nothing to do with my commitment to it or my willingness to do what they asked me. I just couldn't handle that amount of stress and that caused them to let me go. It wasn't a dishonorable or honorable discharge. It's an uncharacterized discharge.

    As for college, I got kicked out because my academic completion rate was too low. I didn't take the school seriously and I am now paying for that mistake. The school was the Illinois Institute of Art Schaumburg, and the amount of my debt is again because of my mistake of not taking it seriously. However no prospective employer would know that I got kicked out of college (actually, I was told that I wouldn't be able to attend the quarter after my current one and I decided to quit before completing the quarter. Funnily enough a few months ago I got a letter from the school asking me to come back... at a higher locked in tuition). I could honestly say that I quit school to enter the work force.

    Neither of these involve violence. I have thought about finishing out school, but I am very wary of incurring more debt. The $7000 that I have on my own wouldn't stop me from getting loans to finish out, but the $70000 that my parents have wouldn't be deferred if I went back. Considering their financial situation I don't know if I could go back to school and have them deal with the payments on their own. It seems like it might be the wrong thing to do.

    Also, seeing how I've basically given up on artistic persuits over the last year, I don't know if I'm at the right level to go back and try to finish up. If nothing else I'd have to spend 3-4 months trying to get myself back to the level I was before.

    As far as references, I only have my friends. I've worked with a few of them before, but that was years ago and wasn't in the same fields they are in now.

    I'll post my job history in a little bit. This post is getting a little long.

    You don't have any work references? Even from those jobs you didn't have long? Not one of them will say "DoR is a nice kid, but it wasn't a good fit."?

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Here's my work history:

    US Air Force
    May 2007-June 2007

    Loews Streets of Woodfield
    Cashier
    September 2005-October 2005
    Duties: Selling tickets, Concessions, Cleaning
    Reason for leaving: Moved out of the Area
    Real reason for leaving: My grandmother died and I decided to take a quarter off of school to go back home and help my mom deal with it.

    Target
    Overnight Stocker
    March 2005-May 2005
    Duties: Stocking Shelves, Unloading Trucks
    Reason for leaving: Hours interfered with college schedule
    Real reason for leaving: I couldn't handle having an overnight job while going to school during the day

    Sonic Drive-In
    Cook
    May 2002-Sept 2002
    Duties: Cooking, Cleaning
    Reason for leaving: Summer job during High school
    Real reason for leaving: My boss was going to get fired. A lot of the employees were worried that they would as well. I decided I didn't want to stay if a new store manager came in, so I quit so I could focus more on my high school classes.

    Hardee's
    Cashier
    March 2002-May 2002
    Duties: Cooking, Cleaning, Serving customers
    Reason for leaving: Found a better paying job
    Real reason for leaving: One of my friends worked at Sonic so it was not only a better place to work, but it also payed $.25 more per hour.

    Boyd Memorial Hospital
    Receptionist
    March 2001-October 2001
    Duties: Registering Patients, Filling out paperwork, Switchboard operator
    Reason for leaving: Summer job during Highschool
    Real reason for leaving: I was obsessed with a girl and after she turned me down I got depressed. I quit my job mainly because of this.

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The "hundreds" of applications is a little bit of an exaggeration actually. It's more along the lines of 40-50.

    As far as my Air Force experience, I got an entry level separation because of suffering horrible panic attacks. It had nothing to do with my commitment to it or my willingness to do what they asked me. I just couldn't handle that amount of stress and that caused them to let me go. It wasn't a dishonorable or honorable discharge. It's an uncharacterized discharge.

    As for college, I got kicked out because my academic completion rate was too low. I didn't take the school seriously and I am now paying for that mistake. The school was the Illinois Institute of Art Schaumburg, and the amount of my debt is again because of my mistake of not taking it seriously. However no prospective employer would know that I got kicked out of college (actually, I was told that I wouldn't be able to attend the quarter after my current one and I decided to quit before completing the quarter. Funnily enough a few months ago I got a letter from the school asking me to come back... at a higher locked in tuition). I could honestly say that I quit school to enter the work force.

    Neither of these involve violence. I have thought about finishing out school, but I am very wary of incurring more debt. The $7000 that I have on my own wouldn't stop me from getting loans to finish out, but the $70000 that my parents have wouldn't be deferred if I went back. Considering their financial situation I don't know if I could go back to school and have them deal with the payments on their own. It seems like it might be the wrong thing to do.

    Also, seeing how I've basically given up on artistic persuits over the last year, I don't know if I'm at the right level to go back and try to finish up. If nothing else I'd have to spend 3-4 months trying to get myself back to the level I was before.

    As far as references, I only have my friends. I've worked with a few of them before, but that was years ago and wasn't in the same fields they are in now.

    I'll post my job history in a little bit. This post is getting a little long.

    You don't have any work references? Even from those jobs you didn't have long? Not one of them will say "DoR is a nice kid, but it wasn't a good fit."?

    I could probably get a reference from someone at the hospital. As far as any of the more recent jobs, well, I wasn't at any one of them long enough for someone to want to give me a reference. Also, at this point most of those places are under new management.

    I really wish I could start fresh on this. Whenever I get a job I'm going to make damn sure that from then on my work history is solid and without any gaps.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    ok, right away, replace "found a better paying job" with something about raises not being timely or "economic need" or something. You don't want to sound to mercenary. I would omit any job you held for less then a month, and I would omit the airforce if you don't have benefits. Save it for the interview, where you can gild dropping out during airforce boot a little.

    Even on these little services jobs, you can stress things like key responsibility - if you had to open or close any of those places, your boss obviously felt you were trustworthy and prompt. If you were ever trusted with the combination to a safe or making/walking deposits, that's something to get on there.

    Also, do you do ANYTHING on the side? fix computers, mow lawns, anything like that? Because you can list any sort of small business you own as well, even if it's very thin, and it will provide some continuity and make you look a little more ambitious.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You know, you don't actually need to put the reasons you left a job on your resume.

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Corvus wrote: »
    You know, you don't actually need to put the reasons you left a job on your resume.

    But on most minimum wage job applications you do.

    That's not my resume.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    yeah I was assuming he was putting them on the application part where it asks, on the actual resume make them ask you.

    DoR why don't you aim a little higher then minimum wage? Work some construction or something for a year and pay some of that money back. Then whatever people think when they look at your resume, they will know you have some grit and will actually work while at work.

    I don't know about ill, but out where I live you can get a job in the oil industry if you can pass a drug test, and it's hard work but its a license to steal payrate wise.

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  • HorusHorus Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    If you feel comfortable post the resume you sent out to the places you applied and maybe we can help. I talk those courses in resume writing and have friends who are professionals doing resume critiques.

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think you could flesh out your experience section a bit more. Can you add any more detail to the computers bit? Any particular brands of hardware? Have you built complete computers? With all of your retail experience, is there anything from that you could add to your resume? What about your media production skills? What projects have you completed with those skills?

    Right now, your resume portrays you as someone who isn't very reliable. You didn't complete college, you've never lasted more than seven months at any of your previous places of employment, and, to top it off, you didn't complete your Air Force training. The last one isn't your fault, but after reading through your resume, I'm not surprised that employers (apparently) haven't wanted to see the reasoning behind your departure from the military.

    You need to show employers that you can be reliable. Create and finish a complex media project, or volunteer at some non-profit organization, anything to show that you can follow through on things. The latter may be your best bet as you'd gain references, too.

    Just some ideas.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You're just sending that out to everyone?

    You should be customizing your resume based upon what the job is, only including relevant job experience, and being detailed as to what, exactly, you were doing for those jobs.

    I mean, really, the technical resume I have only includes 3 jobs, but at 10-point font with wide margins, fills a page. It's got tons of description for what I was doing.

    That job history section you have doesn't tell anyone anything other than "I had some jobs." The skills section is a bit better, but try to go into more detail, with basic/intermediate/advanced descriptions for the skills.

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  • Mr. PokeylopeMr. Pokeylope Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The biggest problem with your work history is the amount of jobs where you only worked a couple of months and than quit. That would be a red flag and tell the potential employer that they would just be wasting their time in hiring you.

    Definetly cut out any job that you only had for a month. You'll have to explain your lack of a work history and probably not finishing school in the interview.

    You really should try temp agencies. The general labor temp agencies are basically looking for warm bodies. The ones I deal with through my work have a large turner over and are constantly cycling new people. From talking with the temps I've learned that if you show the ability to keep a job they will keep finding you more work. It almost definetly won't be fun work but it will be a pay check.

    As for the resume like Thanatos said add some descriptions to what you were doing at the jobs you had. I would suggest adding an objective and changing the order of the sections on your resume to objective, skills, work experience and then education. Your biggest selling point seems to be your skills and you would want that to be the first thing that a potential employer sees. I think that with your current resume many people aren't even bothering to look at the second page.

    Try to keep positive and don't give up, it will happen for you eventually.

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    This is starting to look more and more like something I'm not going to be able to fix. I can't do volunteer work. I don't have the money to drive to and from places besides going and looking for jobs.

    The reason I don't have any work references is because I have a rather bland personality and never really stick out at any places I work. I just do my job, do it right, and that's it. I'm not an extraordinary employee, but I'm also not a poor worker.

    I understand that I need more on my resume, but really it's just not there. I have very little professional experience at anything. All but one of my jobs were basically me moving one thing from one place to another and possibly taking money from someone.

    I mean the only skills I've obtained at my jobs are "simple cooking", cleaning, and money handling. All my media production experience is rather worthless in Roodhouse IL and surrounding areas, so working up those seems stupid to me. I'm rather good with computers, seeing how I've built numerous machines over the years. I'm rather good with Windows seeing how that's the operating system I've used for over 15 years. I'm not good at networking seeing how I've never had any experience with a large network. I just don't know how to build this stuff up into something that anyone would look at and go "yeah, lets take the risk on hiring this guy. It might pay off".

    (I'm venting a little bit. When I read things like "That would be a red flag and tell the potential employer that they would just be wasting their time in hiring you." I tend to initially take it personally, even if I do know what you mean.)

    Does it make any sense at all that I don't have a good work history because I tended to focus on school and family? And that I didn't finish school because of the expense of it, not a lack of motivation? It doesn't have anything to do with my actual work ethic.

    All I want to do at the moment is find a simple fast food or retail type job within 30-40 miles of me so I can build up my job experience. I'd stay there as long as it would take for me to find a more age-appropriate job. I can't, however, work at a minimum wage job if it's going to be 50+ miles away. My car can't handle it, and I wouldn't be able to get it fixed at that wage. Damnit, this is very frustrating.

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  • JunpeiJunpei Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'd really recommend Temp Agencies, and with the flaws you've listed you'd be much better off finding a construction based agency and working through them for a minimum 9 months, but preferably 15.

    It's not an unsolvable problem, but it's not going to look bright in the short term at all. I've had the same problem myself, moving from job to job within 1-2 months. It's a very bad thing and the only solution I found was to do something similar to the above.

    I wiped my employment slate clean and join a lift firm (elevators, escalators) and worked there for 15 months or so, a bit longer. It's good pay but the benefits it does to your resume and potential job searching in the future is unbelievable. You won't believe how many offices and/or technical vocations really enjoy knowing that you had a job where you got down and dirty, worked to deadlines, had responsibility and good work ethic. A construction or trade job does all of these things for you, even if your official job title was "Brick Carrier".

    So, if I was in your boots, wondering what I should be doing, my plan of attack would be something like

    a) Throw away CV. I hate to say this, and it's going to rile you up, but your CV there isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Don't take it personally, understand that a prospective employer only sees you as a bunch of numbers until you are interviewed or hired.

    b) Sign up with an agency, or better yet, several agencies. Preferably labour, it really is for the best

    c) Come up with an plausible explanation for the time between when you left college and looking for work now. You can explain away years of your life under a single term, "Travelling". Prospective employers want to know what you have been doing, and saying you've been travelling gives a good impression in that a) You've got it out of your system, it's a common theme and everyone relates to it and b) It shows you are willing to broaden your horizons. Don't say focusing on family, it's almost like saying, I really didn't feel like working so I went to my parents. As an employer, I'd have to wonder if you just escape jobs since it seems hard.

    d) Create catered CVs for every job you apply to after 9 months working the above. If you want to join a Media/Animation studio, that requires a portfolio, if it's not what you want to do, use the 9 months to work it out a bit. Call the places you apply to a few days after applying to see how things are. If they have a deadline date, call them 2-3 days after the deadline has gone through. You have to appear eager but not so eager that you are harassing them twice a day ; )

    Edit: Waitering jobs aren't bad if you can get them, but they don't always carry the same ideas that a labour centric job does.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Firstly, there's a lot you can do. Don't write yourself off. Listen to what people are saying in here and you'll find work no worries.

    As mentioned, you need to hone your resume a little more to demonstrate the skills you have and to appeal to your employer. Even if it's a couple of bulletpoints:

    Loews Streets of Woodfield
    - Responsiility for cash-handling and till operation
    - Constant customer interaction

    If I were you I'd write a few short sentences for three highlight jobs, (go for cashier, stocker, cook) and give a couple of unique attributes and responsibilities that those jobs fostered. Don't be afraid to jazz it up with creativity, if you can demonstrate some intelligence it's much better than a chronological list that looks like it could have been composed by a Parole officer.

    If you've done all this and you're still not having luck I'd seriously recommend getting out of your current environment and going to a big city. You'll find something in no seconds flat. You're saying you can't afford to go anywhere else but with the debt you're sitting on, can you afford to stay? Another loan or a plea to your parents for more help might seem like adding more fuel to the fire right now but if you're a year in a place with no work opportunities you've cost yourself far more than the expense of setting up a flat in town.

    Good luck! There is a lot you can do, so don't give up.

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm going to redo my resume and post it again so you guys can help me improve it more. Would it be better if I laid it out in Photoshop instead of something like Open Office? So that it might be easier to move around the placement of big blocks of text and the like?

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    No I don't.
  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nah, a .doc file is standard. If you're emailing (which you should be), people wil probably not even bother to open a .pdf. Lay it out simply, but make sure there are adequate details.

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  • elcid1390elcid1390 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    DoR, I sympathize. Up until recently, I was in a very similar situation. I had pissed away my college time/money. It's been six years since I graduated high school, and no degree (meanwhile, my brother got four in four years. I joked with my mom that, between her two college educated sons, we have amassed a respectable number of degrees. She was not amused.) I hadn't worked while in college, exempting brief seasonal work at a CD store. After dropping out of school (while on the high end of academic probation) I went almost a year and a half without finding work. I applied at dozens of places, submitted resumes, etc. but no dice. I have a conviction for receiving and concealing stolen property from a college prank gone awry, couldn't pass a drug test on less than three weeks notice, and I have no driver's license (Epilepsy), so any work had to be within walking distance. As cliched as it sounds, it really does turn in to a downward spiral. And you know how I snapped out of it?

    Aim low. Aim really low.

    I finally found a job working at a car wash. It sucks. I make five bucks an hour (under the table at least) plus tips. I work 48 hours a week. When you include my twice daily on foot commute, it expands to be about 65 or 70 hours. I hate it. But it's a start.

    There is always somebody hiring somewhere. Ask a friend of your parents. Mow lawns (you can actually make a killing doing this). Find local newspapers, church bulletins, etc. and place an ad: "Computer Repair/Tune Ups. Call 555-5555 for a free estimate/consulation". You'd be surprised at the number of middle aged housewives who will pay you $50 or $75 to install and run spybot and ad-aware on their computer to get rid of all the spyware that came with the pack of smileys they downloaded. The important thing is to take a job, any job. No matter how bad the pay is, it's still better than what you're making now. And there's a real risk of being caught in the inertia of not working. To quote "Fight Club": "This is your life, and it's ending one day at a time". The world doesn't need any more Raymond K. Hessels.

    As to the loans, the only advice I can offer you comes from the source of all wisdom in the world: reformed heroin addict and daytime TV judge Greg Mathis. He said not to be afraid of of student loan debt, as long as you were serious about seeing it through and graduating. The debt is intimidating, but the earning opportunities opened up by a degree will make up for it, and usually pretty quickly. To wit, it will probably pay for itself and thensome.

    Good luck.

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  • Dulcius_ex_asperisDulcius_ex_asperis Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You can build a skills-based resume. It doesn't have to be a chronological one listing all your jobs. It will help highlight your qualities that will contribute to a job you want. This is sometimes just the extra punch you need to get the job you want. For instance, I have no "professional" experience in editing (besides two months' worth in an on-campus office, after which I was let go because the person who hired me was fired, and so was everyone under her), but I built a resume highlighting the fact that I edit people's papers all the time, and also underlining that I am interested in translation and the like (I am working on a spanish minor)...these helped me pull in a couple of interviews recently, and I have a second interview for one of the positions just before school starts. It's worked for me, so you could try it out. I'll help. (I can put it on my resume :lol:)

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  • BenboBenbo Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Maybe if you're honest with them and say in a covering letter that you are aware of holes in your work experience and that you've had alot of jobs in a short space of time, but that you're trying to turn your life around.

    You could use a strategy to take the risk of employing you off the employer. They're not going to employ you at the moment, because in their eyes, you're a bad investment. So offer to cover the costs of any training you receive if you leave their employment within say 6 months. Then don't quit for 6 months. Doing that makes you a risk-free candidate.

    You never know, manning up and taking responsibility for your past might just put you ahead of the rest of the pack.

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  • PorkChopSandwichesPorkChopSandwiches Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I second the temp agency idea. When we first got married, I was in graduate school and my wife needed a job just to pay the bills for the year until I finished and we could move to where the jobs were. She went to Randstad. They gave her a few computer tests (mostly involving use of Office and stuff) and within the day she had a job that paid $12 an hour. That temp job turned quickly into a permanent one, and we made it through the year. With your computer skills, a temp agency will be able to place you quickly.

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  • WezoinWezoin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Here's a few things I noticed:

    Your job experience section needs to actually explain what you did, sure you were a "cashier" but cashiers do different things at different places. If it's a grocery store, you stand at a cash register, if it's a video rental place, you check in/check out movies, probably call people up about lates and the such.

    Your "experience" section is TOO specialised. Do you really think your local mcdonalds cares if you can use firefox? If you're applying to computer jobs (or even temp jobs it would be pretty good to have the software you're good with listed) then it's great, but from the sounds of it you've been trying more retail places.

    With references, as you only have one on there, you should put "References Available Upon Request" , it makes there appear to be at least a few, and shows that you aren't just giving out people's information (which shows respect to people's privacy.) Also, if you're listing someone, you should have their relationship to you. Saying that they work for "Washington University" doesn't really give them a sense of who they are to you, for all they know the person could be a janitor, or a gardener (not saying that there is anything wrong with that, just that it doesn't quite hold the same as someone who was your professor.) You want them to get a feel that this person didn't really know you to begin with, and took a chance on you by hiring you, and was glad they did, as that is the same situation the interviewer is in now.

    Under Media Production Software you spelt Macromedia wrong. Little things like that can reduce any positive effects your resume may have on a potential employer. Also, I'd take web browsers and cd burning software off there, they make the resume feel really superficial. Perhaps replace them with something about honesty, commitment, kindness, and ambition (should go above computer stuff to show that you feel it is more important.) It'll make you seem more like a positive person rather than a robot with the ability to do certain functions.

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