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what the fuck is with vegetables

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edited July 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm currently making an effort to get all my carbs from fruit and vegetables.

Here is the thing.

Any time I eat fruit or vegetables, WITHOUT FAIL, I will be incredibly hungry less than an hour later. For lunch, I ate TWO BURGERS (no bun) and as much spinach, mixed salad and tomatos as I could fit on a plate (this salad was like a foot high). An hour later I was so hungry I wished I was dead, so I ate an apple. Mistake. I have honestly never been this hungry.

what the fuck is with vegetables what is their fucking problem

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    they're really light foods is their problem

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    but if I'd eaten the burgers ON THEIR OWN I would not be hungry an hour later

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    yeah you would

    two beef patties on their own isn't a whole lot

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    ARE YOU MY STOMACH JIM

    IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING

    THAT YOU ARE MY STOMACH

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  • KatoKato Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think you would have still been hungry after the two burgers alone, but I do agree that I have a hard time with fruits and veggies for the exact same reason. I can eat them and make a snack or a healthy lunch or something...I'm fucking starving for the rest of the day till I eat a real meal.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    yeah

    check it, this is your stomach speaking

    stop eating fuckin' vegetables

    or at least eat something that isn't meat or greens in addition to what you're doing already

    get some other stuff in there, like corn or peaches or something

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    i would say bread or pasta, but you're trying to get carbs exclusively from vegetables for some reason soo

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  • CojonesCojones Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    As far as I know there's nothing in veg that'll make you hungry as hunger is derived from a lack of food rather than the presence of a certain type of food. Try eating more perhaps?

    Try this

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    so like

    FOUR burgers

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    six, actually

    six would probably make you feel full until you start to get indigestion

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  • zhen_roguezhen_rogue Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Alternately, eat 4 smaller meals a day instead of 3 larger meals.

    Have you been exercising or doing any unusually strenuous activities during the days you are having hunger issues with fruit?
    If so, you need to make sure you're eating enough calories to make your standard 2k/day minimum PLUS whatever you burned during the activities.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    the reason you're feeling hungrier is that you're not eating bread, probably

    breads and pastas expand when they hit the mush that is called your stomach, so they fill you up faster

    burgers are denser, so you basically gotta fill the entire cavity with ground hamburger

    ..is my understanding

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  • CojonesCojones Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Or just throw down at least half a litre of fluid with every meal and try to get some more fibre in your diet. Dried apricots/prunes are good for you and really quite filling; try them at breakfast with some cereal(blended or whole). You can't go far wrong with nuts either.

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  • Vrtra TheoryVrtra Theory Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Remember that all this stuff you're talking about (spinach, lettuce, etc.) is pretty high in fiber. If you eat spaghetti and meatballs (basically solid protein and carbohydrate, very low fiber) until you feel full, you will continue to feel that "fullness" for 2-3 hours afterward. If you eat rabbit food until you feel full, 30-45 minutes later it's all gone.

    Let's say your hamburger patties are about 150 calories each.

    2 hamburger patties and a mountain (say 5 cups) of chopped lettuce might be enough to make you feel full - that would be about 345 calories.

    2 hamburger patties with buns would probably fill you up as well, but the total calorie content is closer to 600 calories. (Even a single slice of standard white bread has close to 70 calories - more than your entire mountain of lettuce!)

    Anyway, I'm no diet expert, but my guess is you're hungry because you're imbibing way fewer calories. Might be easier/healthier to replace only part of your carb intake - say, take the tops off both burgers and leave the bottom buns, with half as much salad, or perhaps eat your salad, your burgers, and have a granola bar an hour later, etc.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The reason is simple.

    Burgers are made from cows. Cows eat vegetables. When the burgers met the vegetables in your stomach, the cows ate all the vegetables and left you with nothing except cow poop.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    listen to vrta, he's not talking out of his ass like i am

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  • Shan_ShinobiShan_Shinobi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Um, since i've been studying food for a year now at school, I can kinda offer some help. Only problem is, everything you've said goes against everything i've been taught. >.<

    But uh, why not get your carbs from carbohydrates?
    Like bread, and pasta and etc?
    Beacause all teh bullshit about vegetables alone will give you all your benefits isn't really true.
    Try eating more starchy foods or something.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    the reason you're feeling hungrier is that you're not eating bread, probably

    breads and pastas expand when they hit the mush that is called your stomach, so they fill you up faster

    burgers are denser, so you basically gotta fill the entire cavity with ground hamburger

    ..is my understanding

    The most likely result of this would be Poop the consistency of Pottery Clay.
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  • Shan_ShinobiShan_Shinobi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Ruckus wrote: »
    the reason you're feeling hungrier is that you're not eating bread, probably

    breads and pastas expand when they hit the mush that is called your stomach, so they fill you up faster

    burgers are denser, so you basically gotta fill the entire cavity with ground hamburger

    ..is my understanding

    The most likely result of this would be Poop the consistency of Pottery Clay.
    Ebay
    That kinda poop could rip your ass open.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Is this a drastic diet change? If you're eating a lot less food, and technically the same proportion of vegetables as some other food, then you're eating a) less food and b) food that will stay with you for less time.

    There are 3 options. One, eat more protein to counteract it. Yes, this means another burger patty, or more realistically, some beans or a soy product. Two, eat many more vegetables, and "snack" on them when you start to feel hungry. Three, eat your meals more slowly (think 30 minutes for what would normally take you 10-15 -- read a book while eating, for instance) and tough it out if you get hungry again.

    But you make no mention of your diet prior to this change so we have no basis as to what could really help.

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  • witch_iewitch_ie Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You might also be hungry because you've gotten used to eating big meals so that your stomach is stretched large. The thing about eating more frequent smaller meals is that your stomach shrinks so that less food makes you full. If you want to shrink your stomach, eat no more than two cups worth of food at any sitting. This may require you to eat more frequently to maintain your calorie intake if that's your goal. After about two weeks, you shouldn't feel so hungry anymore. Please keep in mind that I'm not a doctor or nutritionist, but this has worked for me in the past.

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  • Shan_ShinobiShan_Shinobi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think what we really need to know is why you have decided to make this change and what your diet was like before.
    Then it might be easier to give advice.

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Could also be not so much hunger as withdrawal. A body gets used to whatever you put into it, and can get pretty pissed off if you change your routine.

    I always think of my anima as ATHF Carl like figure hanging out in an armchair in my stomach. He yells when he doesn't get his way.

    "Dude, WTF? I distinctly ordered fries. This Is Not Fries. You get your ass back in there and get me some goddamn fries, hokay? Are we good? Cause I can yell at you all day you grasseating motherfucker, all goddamn day. "

    Basically, this is the guy I give a mental asskicking to, mostly because I'm terrified I'll turn into him. I vary between beating him, renovating his house and promising to upgrade the quality of his live action pron.

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  • WeretacoWeretaco Cubicle Gangster Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You could also try and get more proteins from nuts.

    The proteins will keep you feeling full longer.

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  • EtelmikEtelmik Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The whole "no carbs" thing is a fad, and to remove them completely isn't endorsed or approve by scientific study.

    Also, diets all have long term effects, and we've yet to see what the long term effects of carb-cutting are.

    And to resummarize: fruits and veggies supply only carbs, yes. They also have a lot of water in them. They are low in caloric content. Lots of it is sugary. You cut grains out, and you're gonna be hungry.


    On a tangential note, I eat very little meat and have often have a funky feeling of not being satisified, while feeling full at the same time. If you eat a bunch of carbs, fruits, and veggies, you'll feel that way, I guess.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    get some other stuff in there, like corn or peaches or something

    Does corn actually count as a vegetable? I was under the impression that it was more like a grain, since you can grind it up into meal and bake stuff with it. If corn qualifies as a "vegetable" under Tube's preferred diet, then fill up on corn-based baked goods, or something.

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  • zhen_roguezhen_rogue Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    get some other stuff in there, like corn or peaches or something

    Does corn actually count as a vegetable? I was under the impression that it was more like a grain, since you can grind it up into meal and bake stuff with it. If corn qualifies as a "vegetable" under Tube's preferred diet, then fill up on corn-based baked goods, or something.

    Corn, when still on the cob, is a vegetable.
    Corn, when it is removed from the cob and dried, is a grain.

    On a related note, did you know that the banana tree is an herb?
    The largest herb in the world, actually.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Corn really isn't ideal though. It's loaded with starch and sugar and odds are you probably have a LOT of it in your diet already.

    There are much better options.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    also there is nothing wrong with getting carbs from legumes and beans

    in fact it would almost be highly advisable to get as much from those sources as an alternative to fruit

    Fruits are loaded with sugar. Your body breaks that down really, really fast. When you've run out of sugar to break down, you go back into hungry mode. The amount of carbs you gained from eating all that sugar doesn't matter, your stomach only cares about full vs. not-full and now it's not-full.

    So instead eat things with lots of fibre, or whole grains. Whole grains and complex carbs (such as those high in fibre) are much more difficult to break down so your stomach consumes them at a much slower pace. This results in a more even metabolism, and way less conversion of carbs to fat.

    So go get some fucking lentils already.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Weretaco wrote: »
    You could also try and get more proteins from nuts.

    The proteins will keep you feeling full longer.

    It's not the protein in nuts that make you feel full. It's the fat and the fiber.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    also nuts are generally not the best way to get protein anyhow because they're ridiculously high in fat compared to the amount of protein you can get from them. Fish and chicken are way better.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    DrDizaster wrote: »
    also nuts are generally not the best way to get protein anyhow because they're ridiculously high in fat compared to the amount of protein you can get from them. Fish and chicken are way better.

    Still though, they are great for snacking. The fat in them is healthy fat (monounsaturated and polyunsaturated), so they are actually really good for you in moderate amounts (your body does need unsaturated fats for bodily functions such as hormone production and body temperature regulation).

    As a source of protein though, you're right, lean meats are way better.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    so basically I should just eat a fuckton of protein

    like a hundred chicken breasts

    and a people burger

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    No, eat a handful of nuts or some other protein about 20-30 minutes before your regular meal. It'll get you from "hungry" to "well I suppose I could eat something, since I made it," but you'll be less likely to overeat.

    Nuts are a bit fatty and not the best source for *all* of your protein, but they are good for snacking as long as you measure them out of the container instead of just keeping the tub nearby and just constantly eating them. They make you less hungry, but it's hard to get full off of nuts.


    Ultimately, what you're experiencing is the same reason the Atkins diet "works." If you only eat meat and fat, you're not supposed to feel as hungry so you eat less. Then you transition to meat and veggies when you're at your goal weight/size so you're not in ketosis for the rest of your life.

    Your stomach will shrink on its own pretty quickly if you eat smaller meals, though. My stomach shrank pretty drastically in college, once I moved into an apt. by myself because I would go to bed hungry -- didn't keep snacks around and didn't feel like cooking anything at midnight. I went from being able to eat a supersize double quarter pounder to getting full off of a regular "whopper jr." (and switched from mcd to bk).

    How long have you been doing this?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    Like two days. I'm trying to put on muscle but I just want to cut bad carbs out of my diet completely.

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    No need for that, if you make drastic changes, you'll go through shock, which is just as unhealthy for you as actually being unhealthy. Just cut back a bit, and target removal over a two week period. Carbs don't impede muscle growth, and it takes weeks to build muscle, so by the time you've settled into your muscle building routine, you'll be all bad carb free and can drop off some the fat making the muscle you do have more visible.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Well Tube fruit contains more bad carbs than whole grains do

    Flour and sugar are the worst things for you. Eat things that don't really have either. Fruit is good for you because of the anti-oxidants in some and the vitamins in most, but really they're all really high in sugar even if it is natural and if you want to cut the sort of carbs that turn straight into fat out of your diet, you don't want to exchange your steel cut oats for oranges and strawberries.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    The only fruit I'm eating is apples and cherry tomatos (also tomatos in sauces and stuff). Veggies is mostly mixed salad from a bag and spinach. Lots of spinach.

    ug ug ug ug ug

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    okay well those are less than retarded I guess

    and spinach is really good stuff

    all I'm saying really is that there are good carbs to be found outside of fruits and veggies and in fact many of those other carbs are way better than fruits in terms of good carbs vs. bad carbs.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    If you're going to low-carb it, you really need to drink a fuckton of water, and take a fibre supplement with meals (psyllium husk or whatever, although apparently something with red clover in it is supposed to be good for the guts). Otherwise you're going to be pretty fucking uncomfortable in a day or so... the fibre isn't digested since its basically cellulose, and it provides some bulk which makes you feel fuller and stops you getting backed up. The water helps, too.

    And yeah, diversify the foods :P google up a ratatouille recipe, and maybe some stirfry type things.

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