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posting a video online - marking as my own?

DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Is there some way I could or SHOULD like er... copyright (?) the a video I made of a concert so that I keep the rights/ownership to it and others will know who took it?

I have a 6 minutes Daft Punk live video I want to put out on youtube (is that even a good choice) for others to see and I was a click away from uploading it... BUT I don't want it simply being redistributed all around the net without it being more or less permanently etched as my work.

It would probably be one of or THE best available video of their live act out there, or at least from what I have otherwise seen. (Da Funk in full, shot from centre against rail)

What do you guys suggest?

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    Is there some way I could or SHOULD like er... copyright (?) the a video I made of a concert so that I keep the rights/ownership to it and others will know who took it?

    I have a 6 minutes Daft Punk live video I want to put out on youtube (is that even a good choice) for others to see and I was a click away from uploading it... BUT I don't want it simply being redistributed all around the net without it being more or less permanently etched as my work.

    It would probably be one of or THE best available video of their live act out there, or at least from what I have otherwise seen. (Da Funk in full, shot from centre against rail)

    What do you guys suggest?

    Well you could do this. Or you could realise that distributing Daft Punk's music infringes on their IP, and you're on a quick ride to RIAA town.

    Unless you're intending to upload the video without any sound. Which I don't think you are.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Not sure I understand, how are other videos of concerts allowed to exist? Or even specifically, other videos of Daft Punk's live show?

    Not sure if it's worth mentioning that it's a live work, not something that has ever been recorded and made available for purchase. Though a dvd of the tour could be released someday.

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    Not sure I understand, how are other videos of concerts allowed to exist? Or even specifically, other videos of Daft Punk's live show?

    Not sure if it's worth mentioning that it's a live work, not something that has ever been recorded and made available for purchase. Though a dvd of the tour could be released someday.

    How you get the music is not relevant I am afraid. If I tape Daft Punk blaring out the speaker at a cafe and then upload it, I'm redistributing stuff I'm not allowed to.

    Other videos of concerts are "allowed" to exist for the same reason all other forms of piracy exist on the Internet; too costly to enforce, too many people yada yada yada. If you want to distribute that's your choice, but I really don't think watermarking it with something to tie every copy back to you is a great idea.

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  • MoSiAcMoSiAc Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    From what I understand no one is supposed to upload music of any band without written consent from the band or the record company etc. A video of them playing music is just like an mp3 of them playing music, its Daft Punk's music.

    Other people do it, but don't want to put a brand on it because they don't want it to track back to them. Its just as illegal and if it gets reported usually videos of the type get taken down.

    As for it being music that they have never released or something of that sort, it becomes somewhat shady, if your video predates them copywriting said song then its all clear, but thats very unlikely.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, the thing is that it's not your video, it's Daft Punk's music and performance.

    And as soon as you put something on, say, YouTube, it doesn't matter if it's yours or not, people will send it around if they want to. It's your video in that you made it, but why is the video of value? Is it because of something you made? Or did you record a concert you paid to go see?

    Copyright is inherently to create a monopoly on works. What do you plan to do with the video that would allow you to create value in the future? Do you plan on selling it? Do you plan on sending it to Daft Punk's label, saying you've got a good concert video and they can buy the rights to it from you? Or do you just plan to watch it, and want to be "the guy" who uploaded it first?

    If you just want a claim among your friends and among the fans that you're the person who uploaded the video first, post it somewhere like YouTube or similar where the date is included in the upload. Daft Punk could ask you to take it down, but it's unlikely. You can't make any money from it, and you can't file a Cease & Desist if you do upload it and find that someone else has copied it and put it somewhere else, so copyrighting the works is kind of moot.

    There are a few other legal things that could make the situation more complex, but I'll assume it's just a video of a show and that you don't want to make money off of it or anything.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I find it interesting that you're wondering how to protect having your name on a video of someone elses work.

    If there was a way to fully protect IP on the internet so that copyrighted materials couldn't be distributed freely.... then you wouldn't be able to share the video, as it's not your IP, it's Daft Punk videotaped by you. Like.... you can't permanently etch as your work what isn't your work.

    Intellectual property is automatically protected by copyright from the moment it exists. So as soon as Daft Punk finishes a song, they hold all rights to the song, and it cannot be legally redistributed without their consent, basically. They most likely signed the rights to the song over to a record company, who now holds the rights to the song, so Daft Punk can basically no longer perform the song without the rights holders permission. If you record and redistribute a song, you are dealing with Intellectual property that is owned by whoever holds the rights to the song. Unless the video is a unique IP that qualifies under Fair use exceptions to the copyright law(sounds like it doesn't), you can't even legally distribute it without consent, as the content doesn't belong to you.

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  • CZroeCZroe Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Khavall wrote: »
    I find it interesting that you're wondering how to protect having your name on a video of someone elses work.

    If there was a way to fully protect IP on the internet so that copyrighted materials couldn't be distributed freely.... then you wouldn't be able to share the video, as it's not your IP, it's Daft Punk videotaped by you. Like.... you can't permanently etch as your work what isn't your work.

    Intellectual property is automatically protected by copyright from the moment it exists. So as soon as Daft Punk finishes a song, they hold all rights to the song, and it cannot be legally redistributed without their consent, basically. They most likely signed the rights to the song over to a record company, who now holds the rights to the song, so Daft Punk can basically no longer perform the song without the rights holders permission. If you record and redistribute a song, you are dealing with Intellectual property that is owned by whoever holds the rights to the song. Unless the video is a unique IP that qualifies under Fair use exceptions to the copyright law(sounds like it doesn't), you can't even legally distribute it without consent, as the content doesn't belong to you.

    The video itself isn't their work and it's simply that which he wants credit for. Granted, legally, he has no claim, but he's not trying to make some legal "this is my COPYRIGHTED work" stamp on the video... despite the wording in the OP. ;)

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    hmmm

    maybe i should distinguish moreso that it's the credit for the particular shooting in my name and not lost when other people see it

    like they see this, and they just see (even briefly) that "Deusfaux" shot it.

    I dont want to take a more far-reaching "ownership" of the content of the video or anything like that.

    just let people know I was the guy who got up real close and made such a good short clip


    does that make a difference? (there are a few comments I need to read more on but I wanted to get that out)

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Perhaps the band would like to use your film? Have you thought about contacting them?

    Unless, of course, the venue was a no cameras allowed venue.

    I don't know.

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  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Just do what most people on youtube do and put your name in the corner/ have it flash on screen at regular intervals.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Tav wrote: »
    Just do what most people on youtube do and put your name in the corner/ have it flash on screen at regular intervals.


    sorry but im an idiot and wouldnt even know how to do that. program? can those be removed by other people easily?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Seriously, stupid fucking question.

    You show me where Daft Punk says they don't care if people videotape their concerts and post them on the internet, and I'll unlock the thread.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    For the record, this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Dumber than "where is the Internet stored"?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited July 2007
    Well I mean who hasn't wondered about that.

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