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make my monster not suck, page2 plz

lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
edited August 2007 in Artist's Corner
I haven't posted here in god knows how long, regressed to lurking for a good bit of time.

just wanted to dump some stuff for viewing and critique.

1) some photomanipulation

lolfiltersmall.jpg

2) some anime, lol

page1.jpg

3) hairy arms?

roflmao.jpg

4) environment

page2.jpg

5) character concepts

sketch3.jpg

6) iono, a priest?

sketch2.jpg

7) its a...monster...2headed...thing

boss.jpg

these were all done a varying times, but its all i've got on hand at the moment so, sorry for the lack of consistancy. anyways, crit away, there are a vast number of issues in each peice that begs to be pointed to and laughed at.

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Well, the photo manip is kind of hard to crit, because I don't really know what you were going for there. Did you have a clear idea of what you wanted to do in mind when you started? How close did you come to that idea? To be honest, I can't even tell what the original photo was of...there doesn't appear to be any recognizable objects in there at all (at least none that I can pick out...aside from what appears to be a large numeral "8" on the left side).

    As to your anime drawings...I like them. A lot. I think they work pretty well because you seem to have developed a pretty solid basic understanding of human anatomy and figure drawing before you started trying to draw "anime" (unlike a lot of people who post anime style stuff here, who try to do it the other way around). I'm honestly looking at those drawings trying to find something about them to pick on...and I'm not coming up with anything. Maybe something will jump out at someone else on here. Really nice work, keep it up!

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    thx for the comment, the photomanipulation thing is abstract, i just wanted to do things with filters and random tutorials i looked up. i guess its not a good idea to post abstractions?

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    thx for the comment, the photomanipulation thing is abstract, i just wanted to do things with filters and random tutorials i looked up. i guess its not a good idea to post abstractions?

    I think it's perfectly fine to post them...I just think it's pretty difficult to critique them, since it isn't really supposed to look like anything specific. I suppose someone could make a critique based on whether they find it aesthetically pleasing or not...but that's completely subjective. Personally, I think it looks kind of cool. But there's absolutely no suggestion I could make in terms of how to improve it at all.

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm really digging that 2 head/colossus thing. It's be cool to see that worked through to completion.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    yes i intend to finish that particular one within the next couple days w/e i get time. its a bit difficult for me since the method i am using is very different from what i am used to.

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  • KorthuranKorthuran Registered User new member
    edited August 2007
    What I have to say doesn't necessarily apply to anything you've posted here. I really can't find anything to pick at on these. Any issues with anatomy and the poses are really quite minor to nonexistant. You've done the right thing in learning proper anatomy and as previously mentioned it really helps you avoid the pitfalls of people trying to do anime right away.

    The thing I have to say you may already know and practice (I can see at least the beginnings of it in some of the posted work). There is one problem with anime and that is that it tends to stiffen up the characters. There's nothing really there to crit about your work so I would say take it to the next level. Put them in different poses. I don't mean the common and cheesy brooding or prepared for action poses either. I mean simple things like standing, walking, hailing a cab, regular every day poses. These would go alongside your concept drawings. Really break down the construction of your characters. Front, back, 3/4, every angle and every detail. It's the ability to do that that transforms your work from drawings into actual believable characters that can be moved around in space.

    Of course none of that is really necessary. Something like that is more aimed at animation or a comic/series where you have to move the characters around. If it's just a drawing then theres no need to go into such detail. I just bring it up because I saw you labled some of them as concept drawings so I figured that maybe you would want to take some of your work and develope it more.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    ya you bring up a good point, alot of my drawing in general do not look very animated. its a flaw that im trying to overcome, but progress is slow...actually now that its been brought up, maybe after i get off work i'll do some more pose oriented stuff and post it up.

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  • r-jasperr-jasper Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    5) character concepts

    sketch3.jpg
    the dude reminds me of Holland from Eureka 7. anyone else see it?

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    yes, its the hair...maybe the eyes too?

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  • TheBogTheBog Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    These are good, dude.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Thank you! Anime-styled drawing that doesn't suck! What a concept!

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  • GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Solid drawings man, you definetly know whats up. The concpets are a little tired, but they look like they were fun to draw, so its all good.

    Sometimes your hatching gets a little distracting on the pencil stuff. Maybe try to smooth it out a little bit with the flat side of the pencil?

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    yes, my hatching is freakin' terrible. i've never tried using the flat side of a pencil b4 O_o does this make me an idiot? then again i use mechanical, which is hear is a big no no in drawing. whatami supposed to b using, 2b? 4h? 4328cbzg? (i have no idea what the numbers mean, i know what .5 mm graphite lead is tho 8-))

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  • carmofincarmofin Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    i especially dig the enviroment, gives off a really nice atmosphere. that monster looks like something i want to climb up to stab blueish glowing symbols on his head, so thats a great one as well.

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  • GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    i find mechanicals just fine, I dont know what kind you use, but on the Bics i got if I just click them twice, one side of the stick will eventual smooth down to a nice milimeter wide flat peice, good for toning and such.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    i dont like bic, something about the lead, i think they use .7mm which messes with my head for some reason O_o

    but i should probably invest in some...or get real pencils.


    oh who am i kidding, im not buying real pencils.

    carmofin - dont do that, he wouldn't appreciate it. :P

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    I love your character concepts!

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    i love your sig!

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Ha! You could learn a thing or two about art from that sig!

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I also prefer mechanical pencils. I don't think there's anything wrong with using them for art at all. I can't think of anything that you can do with a wooden pencil that you can't do with a mechanical pencil.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I also prefer mechanical pencils. I don't think there's anything wrong with using them for art at all. I can't think of anything that you can do with a wooden pencil that you can't do with a mechanical pencil.

    You have to hold a mechanical pencil in a writing grip though, since trying to shade with the 'side' of a 0.5 mm lead is kinda rough, and that means you're drawing with little flicks of your wrist instead of your hole arm.

    So there's that and also putting little indents into your page since the pressure from a mechanical lead is so much more focused than that of a wooden pencil. It gets in the way if you're trying to ink/scan, if you get too carried away with it it'll also disrupt and solid pencil shading around it.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    ya rolo hit the nail on the head. the downsides to mechanical have been revealed.

    must find some real pencils...somewhere

    anyone know some korean? i'm stuck in ktown for another month for an internship and i don't know the word for "pencil"

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Rolo wrote: »
    I also prefer mechanical pencils. I don't think there's anything wrong with using them for art at all. I can't think of anything that you can do with a wooden pencil that you can't do with a mechanical pencil.

    You have to hold a mechanical pencil in a writing grip though, since trying to shade with the 'side' of a 0.5 mm lead is kinda rough, and that means you're drawing with little flicks of your wrist instead of your hole arm.

    So there's that and also putting little indents into your page since the pressure from a mechanical lead is so much more focused than that of a wooden pencil. It gets in the way if you're trying to ink/scan, if you get too carried away with it it'll also disrupt and solid pencil shading around it.

    They do make mechanical pencils with lead sizes other than just .5mm. A 2mm mechanical pencil gives you pretty much the same effect as a wooden pencil. But frankly, I've never really had a problem shading even with a .5mm lead. In fact, typically when I draw with a .5, I usually always have one side of the lead nice and flattened out (I actually do that to keep the point of the pencil nice and razor sharp...but it has the nice side effect of giving me a flat side to shade with too, if I so choose). I haven't found much of a problem with the lead indenting the page either...maybe I just have a light touch (I'm guessing that's the case, since I also don't have a problem with the .5 leads breaking on me, whereas some people simply can't use a .5 lead because they break it constantly).

    I think it really depends on the type of drawing you're doing. If it's kind of a cartoony or comic book style, then I think the thin mechanical leads work well. You wouldn't do a lot real "shading" with that kind of work (since, if it's going to be inked, all those different values you can achieve with a pencil will be lost in the inking anyway)...you'd be more likely to use some sort of cross-hatching or stippling technique for shading...which a mechanical pencil is fine for.

    But if you were trying to do a more photo-realistic life drawing, then a wooden pencil or 2mm mechanical would probably be a better choice.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    or not O_o

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    or not O_o


    Lol, sorry. The bottom line is you should probably experiment with a variety of different tools and find out what works best for you. That's the great thing about art; there isn't necessarily one "right" way of doing anything. Don't think that you have to use a certain type of pen or pencil, or a certain shading technique, or whatever, just because that's what some other artist uses. :)

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    okay but...i can still draw anime sometimes right?...i likes anime :winky:

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    okay but...i can still draw anime sometimes right?...i likes anime :winky:

    Heh, absolutely. Draw what makes you happy. It's very important to enjoy what you're doing when it comes to art. 8-)

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  • hijinksensuehijinksensue Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I like the ornate details on the costumes. Nice Job.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    well i finished the 2 head thingy. was putting it off for a while, but i did it today!

    the results are...>.>

    not so spectacular


    but it *is*shiney!

    bossedit2.jpg

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    It could be potentially very awesome if you got the glows looking right. They just need a little more blending into the figure and you'll have it.

    Also it's true, Grifter does eat poop. Oh Grifter.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Oh noes. Backfire'd

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Rolo wrote: »
    Oh noes. Backfire'd

    On the contrary, everything has gone according to plan.

    darth%20sidious.gif

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    my...my ass is up for rent???

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited August 2007
    I hear that it's quite spacious.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    there's a bit of smell tho, will that affect the price?

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited August 2007
    Take a shower, hippy.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    if i had moderator powers...oh the things i'd do

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  • srsizzysrsizzy Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I really liked the rendering on this before. All the glowing distracts from that. Unfortunate.

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  • furiousNUfuriousNU Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    The yellow glow has the potential to look really good. You need to tone down and contain the glowy stuff on your creature so it looks like the glowing stuff is embedded in the armor/weapon. You could also consider polishing off the more "painterly" parts, but that's up to you.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    out of curiousity, how does this version look? any better? worse?

    bossedit3.jpg

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