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Hey, I have been reading these threads for a while and have decided to become active member and give artistic advice and take constructive criticism!
I'd like to share some of my sketches/art with you! Lemme know what you think?
Here's a digital painting I did ....I really should have done it in color (I know). I actually did this prior to the viral release of the joker for the new batman movie based on rumors I heard:
Well, I ran out of room so I decided to make him rising from that oily puddle. Yeah yeah, I know, he can't do that once he's found a host but that's why they call it artistic license ^_^
The joker painting is pretty good, but the main problem is a distinct lack of highlights. As a result the rendering comes off as very matte and dull, like his face is molded out of drying clay. Paying attention to how quickly your darks turn into lights is vital to rendering convincing materials.
The airbrushed rendering on Venom is considerably worse, combined with the cheesy bloom effect, cheapens the picture overall. The flying tendrils of venom-tar are waaay too uniformly executed. They all have roughly the same semicircular path and shape, and end up busying up the background more than adding interest. A lot of his over-exaggerated anatomy isn't quite right as well.
Leonidas is a fair bit better in that regard, but again his comic anatomy, particularly near the upper legs could stand to be a little more rooted in reality.
Hmmm.. taking a look at your previous posts I'll take that as a compliment.
In regards to the Joker painting ...sit back from the monitor or adjust your contrast. Highlights are there. As far as my use of value scale is concerned, please note that the rendering is mostly done on his face, the jacket, hair and background were all complete in like 30 seconds. This was done as a rough concept pic to satisfy my need to understand what Heath fucking Ledger would look like as the Joker.
Venom:
I actually designed this as a tattoo for a friend and the oil spewing around him needed to be more symmetrical than not. I tried a wicked tribal design that he didn't like. The "airbrushed look". yeah that's actually my first photoshop color job. I basically went nuts with the burn and dodge tool. The lightings wrong, the muscles and anatomy are over exaggerated but..wait..what's this?...oh right...it's a comic book character...
By the way the cheesy bloom effects are AWESOME.
Leonidas:
Yep his legs need to be redone. same with his rib cage area....all improvements come with practice. I've only been using my Wacom since January.
As I always say: "Perfect is the enemy of done"
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I agree that joker looks a little... washed out? Right now my monitor is at full brightness and contrast and while the anantomy looks good he's missing the highlights on his left hand side (our right) of his face. Even with the white clown makeup on that should still be there I think.
You've probably learned this by now, but the burn/dodge tools are the devil. They always seem to leave a horrible plasticy-effect. It's a lot easier to just hand-pick the highlights by manually adjusting the colour values and painting them on to the original layer, or if you have to use a sepearate screen layer, although that has its own blending issues, especially as you move between colour CMYK and RGB colour spaces.
I really like your Spartan, although I wish he had feet. Pic would feel more complete if he had a bit of white space around the edges.
Looking really good so far, all three in different styles and only a few minor changes needed overall to have them spot-on.
Looks pretty sweet dude. I like the Joker alot, though, the jacket dose look a little rushed. Can't wait to see more man.
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Thanks for all of the honest feedback! I have been enjoying all of the improvements I see here in all of your artwork as well (by that I mean all of you).
I didn't want to start by whoring my web comic either. But I'd like to know what fellow PA fans think!
Here are a couple of sample comics:
It's really exciting to hear feedback. Good or Bad. As I get more comfortable with my writing and digital media I feel that it truly shows.
The interesting thing is to look back at where you or any professional started:
Jim Lee for example had to work hard to develop his own unique style. Same goes for Gabe and Tycho.
I hope you enjoyed these samples
The first few that I did are hard to look back on now. I wish I had a fast forward button to see what 5 years down the road brings!
I'll post newer stuff here on the forums as I get stuff finished!
Very nice work.I do like that you put quite some effort into your webcomics , which is rare these days. i will say though, that the punchline doesn't quite jump at me in these. maybe they are a bit over exposed.
the first one has a bit too much text, its also a bit too small, you can still read it but it takes that bit of extra time to process it. ill let you know, i am lazy bastard, but it still feels like it has extra panels it doesn't need.
the art is solid, but the jokes seem drawn(hur hur) out.
Thanks for all of the helpful comments and advice!
I agree sometimes the punchlines can be drawn out...We're also only infants when it comes to hammering out these web comics, so I'm sure my comedy will be more apparent as I feel more comfortable exposing myself online. I mean the main characters in the comic are already exact representations of us. So I'm kinda glad to hear that no one said," Yeah, that fat guy has to go...."^_^
I know that in the 'ninja' comic the text was a little small...we've learned from that. But as far as the other comics go using 9 pt. font seems to look clear to me even at 1680x1050 without my glasses on?
Maybe I'll increase the font size to 10pt.
So far though we've found through a little research that most web comic readers would prefer a more storyline oriented, well detailed comic strip that explores many other aspects rather than gaming. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we'll do the occasional gaming quip but truthfully that's already beat to death. And truthfully, no one does it better than Mike and Jerry (I sincerely mean that).
We're actually trying to encompass web and pop culture.
Anyway, thanks a ton for the gracious comments and constructive criticism.
We are not Venom. We have a differen't logo.
I liked your Transformer comic. I wish I'd had the pistol Megatron. That thing was the shiznitobangdingdang.
Leonidas' leg is broken though. He should maybe get that looked at. The abs don't make sense given the ribs/pelvis position. Nice lines on him, though.
I'll give you major props on artwork (mostly because I'm not as skilled as you), but as far as your webcomic goes, I have a few comments...
I went to the site and you have an area under each comic for comments? The first strip/page I saw took a while to get to because my browser was busy loading extraneous material I had little-to-no interest in. Personally, I think its a little unprofessional to display direct feedback on something that's meant to entertain... that kind of thing makes it feel like deviantart... like you're fishing for compliments.
I see though that you are getting much better at shortening your comics, although there are some where I think I'm missing information to get the joke.
Joker is a flawless victory.
The venom leaves something to be desired (color?) and leonidas' anatomy is a little botched, but your lines are good, so it kinda pushes it over.
Comic is pretty funny, could be funnier, but I love the megatrong awkward pause. Overall good stuff, keep at it, keep looking at how the pros do it, incorporating that.
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(that's not intended to be snarky, btw)
The airbrushed rendering on Venom is considerably worse, combined with the cheesy bloom effect, cheapens the picture overall. The flying tendrils of venom-tar are waaay too uniformly executed. They all have roughly the same semicircular path and shape, and end up busying up the background more than adding interest. A lot of his over-exaggerated anatomy isn't quite right as well.
Leonidas is a fair bit better in that regard, but again his comic anatomy, particularly near the upper legs could stand to be a little more rooted in reality.
Overall good show.
In regards to the Joker painting ...sit back from the monitor or adjust your contrast. Highlights are there. As far as my use of value scale is concerned, please note that the rendering is mostly done on his face, the jacket, hair and background were all complete in like 30 seconds. This was done as a rough concept pic to satisfy my need to understand what Heath fucking Ledger would look like as the Joker.
Venom:
I actually designed this as a tattoo for a friend and the oil spewing around him needed to be more symmetrical than not. I tried a wicked tribal design that he didn't like. The "airbrushed look". yeah that's actually my first photoshop color job. I basically went nuts with the burn and dodge tool. The lightings wrong, the muscles and anatomy are over exaggerated but..wait..what's this?...oh right...it's a comic book character...
By the way the cheesy bloom effects are AWESOME.
Leonidas:
Yep his legs need to be redone. same with his rib cage area....all improvements come with practice. I've only been using my Wacom since January.
As I always say: "Perfect is the enemy of done"
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You've probably learned this by now, but the burn/dodge tools are the devil. They always seem to leave a horrible plasticy-effect. It's a lot easier to just hand-pick the highlights by manually adjusting the colour values and painting them on to the original layer, or if you have to use a sepearate screen layer, although that has its own blending issues, especially as you move between colour CMYK and RGB colour spaces.
I really like your Spartan, although I wish he had feet. Pic would feel more complete if he had a bit of white space around the edges.
Looking really good so far, all three in different styles and only a few minor changes needed overall to have them spot-on.
I didn't want to start by whoring my web comic either. But I'd like to know what fellow PA fans think!
Here are a couple of sample comics:
It's really exciting to hear feedback. Good or Bad. As I get more comfortable with my writing and digital media I feel that it truly shows.
The interesting thing is to look back at where you or any professional started:
Jim Lee for example had to work hard to develop his own unique style. Same goes for Gabe and Tycho.
I hope you enjoyed these samples
The first few that I did are hard to look back on now. I wish I had a fast forward button to see what 5 years down the road brings!
I'll post newer stuff here on the forums as I get stuff finished!
you need a proper critique, one i dont have time for at this point in time, maybe later kk?
i like the portrait, its sexy.
the first one has a bit too much text, its also a bit too small, you can still read it but it takes that bit of extra time to process it. ill let you know, i am lazy bastard, but it still feels like it has extra panels it doesn't need.
the art is solid, but the jokes seem drawn(hur hur) out.
I agree sometimes the punchlines can be drawn out...We're also only infants when it comes to hammering out these web comics, so I'm sure my comedy will be more apparent as I feel more comfortable exposing myself online. I mean the main characters in the comic are already exact representations of us. So I'm kinda glad to hear that no one said," Yeah, that fat guy has to go...."^_^
I know that in the 'ninja' comic the text was a little small...we've learned from that. But as far as the other comics go using 9 pt. font seems to look clear to me even at 1680x1050 without my glasses on?
Maybe I'll increase the font size to 10pt.
So far though we've found through a little research that most web comic readers would prefer a more storyline oriented, well detailed comic strip that explores many other aspects rather than gaming. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we'll do the occasional gaming quip but truthfully that's already beat to death. And truthfully, no one does it better than Mike and Jerry (I sincerely mean that).
We're actually trying to encompass web and pop culture.
Anyway, thanks a ton for the gracious comments and constructive criticism.
We'll aspire to get better every week!
I liked your Transformer comic. I wish I'd had the pistol Megatron. That thing was the shiznitobangdingdang.
Leonidas' leg is broken though. He should maybe get that looked at. The abs don't make sense given the ribs/pelvis position. Nice lines on him, though.
I went to the site and you have an area under each comic for comments? The first strip/page I saw took a while to get to because my browser was busy loading extraneous material I had little-to-no interest in. Personally, I think its a little unprofessional to display direct feedback on something that's meant to entertain... that kind of thing makes it feel like deviantart... like you're fishing for compliments.
I see though that you are getting much better at shortening your comics, although there are some where I think I'm missing information to get the joke.
I like.
The venom leaves something to be desired (color?) and leonidas' anatomy is a little botched, but your lines are good, so it kinda pushes it over.
Comic is pretty funny, could be funnier, but I love the megatrong awkward pause. Overall good stuff, keep at it, keep looking at how the pros do it, incorporating that.