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male pattern baldness?

Q_PrimeQ_Prime Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I have a semi-high forehead. something inbetween images #1 and #2.

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how can i tell if that's just the shape of my hairline or if i will suffer from baldness?

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  • happysharkhappyshark Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    did your dad or grandpa go bald?????

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  • Q_PrimeQ_Prime Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    my dad is at like 3-4 and he's almost 70, and my grandfather died before i met him.

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  • trixtahtrixtah Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    It's transferred through the mother as it's on the X chromosome and it's difficult to tell whether you got the trait or not seeing as its recessive and can be masked for generations. There is one method that works 100% but it's not very popular: castration :D.

    If you have the gene, well then you're going to show signs of male pattern baldness since it's on the X sex chromosome and there is no dominant X to mask it.

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  • Q_PrimeQ_Prime Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    oh, so baldness Is a sex linked disorder? and would chemical castration work? i really like my hair :p
    im jk im not going to chemically castrate myself

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  • trixtahtrixtah Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    who said anything about chemical castration?
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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Pfft, I'm at 2. Don't let it bug you.

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  • MoSiAcMoSiAc Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I technically fall under 7 I'm a 25 year old Jean Luc Picard. For real don't let it get to you, if you are worried. I just shave the whole thing I've really gotten to like it.

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  • blincolnblincoln Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    trixtah wrote: »
    It's transferred through the mother as it's on the X chromosome and it's difficult to tell whether you got the trait or not seeing as its recessive and can be masked for generations.

    This is not entirely true. Both parents' genetics have a role in how their childrens' hair will turn out.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    blincoln wrote: »
    trixtah wrote: »
    It's transferred through the mother as it's on the X chromosome and it's difficult to tell whether you got the trait or not seeing as its recessive and can be masked for generations.
    This is not entirely true. Both parents' genetics have a role in how their childrens' hair will turn out.
    Yeah, it used to be thought that it was on the X chromosome, but they've discovered that it's not.

    You can try Rogaine, see if it helps (though, it's much more effective on the spot at the back of your head), and if you're really worried, starting eating a low-fat diet, and doing at least 30 minutes of cardio every day (though, doing that anyway isn't a bad idea).

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  • trixtahtrixtah Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    blincoln wrote: »
    trixtah wrote: »
    It's transferred through the mother as it's on the X chromosome and it's difficult to tell whether you got the trait or not seeing as its recessive and can be masked for generations.
    This is not entirely true. Both parents' genetics have a role in how their childrens' hair will turn out.
    Yeah, it used to be thought that it was on the X chromosome, but they've discovered that it's not.

    You can try Rogaine, see if it helps (though, it's much more effective on the spot at the back of your head), and if you're really worried, starting eating a low-fat diet, and doing at least 30 minutes of cardio every day (though, doing that anyway isn't a bad idea).

    Unless you're talking recently as in months ago, it has not been disproved and additionally, it's only recently become the accepted theory. Of course, there are other small factors but looking at genetics (the major component) and what has only recently become the accepted theory, it's the androgen receptors. Well, that and a bunch of other proteins. Admittedly, the father's side does play a role, but this role is as of yet uncertain. Hair is a tricky thing...

    But enough worry of baldness...everyone is beautiful!

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  • Surt QSurt Q Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I agree with MoSiAc on this one. Just shave it off. I am at around a Stage III (by that chart) at age 24. My dad actually has more hair then I do. I just shave what is there off about once a week.

    It does help that my wife has always had a thing for Picard.

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  • trixtahtrixtah Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hmm, looking at that picture, I'm about a 1-2 without the apex. Anyway, I wouldn't worry until you start waking up in piles of your own hair (obviously exaggerated).

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    trixtah wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    blincoln wrote: »
    trixtah wrote: »
    It's transferred through the mother as it's on the X chromosome and it's difficult to tell whether you got the trait or not seeing as its recessive and can be masked for generations.
    This is not entirely true. Both parents' genetics have a role in how their childrens' hair will turn out.
    Yeah, it used to be thought that it was on the X chromosome, but they've discovered that it's not.

    You can try Rogaine, see if it helps (though, it's much more effective on the spot at the back of your head), and if you're really worried, starting eating a low-fat diet, and doing at least 30 minutes of cardio every day (though, doing that anyway isn't a bad idea).

    Unless you're talking recently as in months ago, it has not been disproved and additionally, it's only recently become the accepted theory. Of course, there are other small factors but looking at genetics (the major component) and what has only recently become the accepted theory, it's the androgen receptors. Well, that and a bunch of other proteins. Admittedly, the father's side does play a role, but this role is as of yet uncertain. Hair is a tricky thing...
    It's sex-linked, but it's got a bunch of other stuff going on, as well. It used to be thought that it was entirely based on the X-chromosome, but they've found that that's not true.

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  • Count FragulaCount Fragula Registered User new member
    edited August 2007
    Hey folks,

    I'm 25 and suffering from the early stages of male pattern baldness too. I finally got fed up with the hairloss and decided to fight back in recent months. First I'll tell a bit about myself and then I'll provide some of my findings from my research.

    For the TL;DR folks: I'm 25yr old guy with noticeably thinning hair. Did research, DHT causes it. Research products for yourself, find ones that treat DHT.

    First off, baldness runs in my family (mom's side). My grandpa is sporting the Picard look and supposedly has been since he was in his 30's, some 40 yrs ago. Both my mom and I have what's considered fine hair. It's not thick and coarse like my dad's, but thin and silky. So, I've never had a bushy head of hair but it covered well. It also seemed like I always shed a little bit on a daily basis. Couple strands of hair after a shower or when I was fixin' my hair in the morning. As I got into my late teens, I shed more and more...goin from a couple hairs to double or triple what it was. Even still, it didn't seem alarming because I never noticed any thinning. The only noticeable difference was a bit of a receding hairline above my temples giving me a bit of a widow's peak sort of (see II on that chart posted above). Even with that happening it never dawned on my things would ever really get worse, and besides I thought it kinda gave a cool effect for my hair-do.

    I think I started to notice thinning at crown of my head towards the back when I was 21. At the time I thought it might have just been stress, enough stress can have serious impacts on health, with work/college/personal life. Since then, my hair has continued to thin on top (no change at the temples). It's not gotten to a point where it's noticeable when I'm just standing, but if I bend over or someone sees me from above, it's pretty obvious. The hair is thin enough now to see scalp through the dwindling forest of hair. Over the last 4 years it spread back-to-front across the crown of my head. I thought about shaving it off, but I dont think I'm one of those guys that would look good bald. I decided to fight back!

    Couple months ago I did some research into the causes of hair loss and possible solutions for guys like me. I found that there's a chemical in our bodies, a byproduct of processed testosterone, called DHT (dont recall what that stands for, sorry). DHT is produced naturally in the body in everyone. If your body chemistry is off or you have too much testosterone in your system, that can lead to elevated levels of DHT. DHT also kind of has a cumulative effect. It gathers in your scalp, typically, and causes the hair folicles to lose their grip on the hairs. I think DHT exists to promote a bit of natural shedding to keep the hair cycling through and replaced with fresh hairs. However, too much DHT causes this natural cycle to speed up and you are essentially shedding hairs before it's their time to naturally fall out. The longer this goes on, the more worn out your hair folicles are getting. Eventually they get to a point where they go "fuck this, I'm tired of making hair...I quit!" and you stop growing new hair.

    So what's a guy to do? Well, the good part is that it is treatable and fairly easily. There's a whole slew of products and treatments out there, but not all of it works for everyone. You'll need to do some research for yourself, and possibly a bit of trial and error to see what works best for you. However, you want to tackle the problem at it's root...find something that targets DHT. Eating healthier and excercise can help in some cases but it's not always enough. The thing to keep in mind while looking for treatment is that if your hair is still in the growth phase (that is, youre still getting new hairs in those areas even though they might fall out soon), there's hope. But once your hair stops growing, nothing can bring it back naturally. Anyway, I'll cover a couple popular products/treatments.

    1) Rogaine - This is probably one of the most widely available solutions, but it's primarily a topical spray/shampoo/cream you use on the scalp. It says on the label that if you stop using Rogaine, your hair will fall out again. That stuff doesnt last that long and isn't that cheap either. I decided against them for myself.

    2) Procede - You might have seen those annoying commercials on tv with Giuseppe Franco backing this stuff. It's a once every 90 days hair treatment/shampoo thingy. They are kinda sneeky with advertising , leading you to believe it will help you regrow hair. Lies! All it does is make your hair thicker, read the fine print! Still, might be a worthy product after you've regrown some of your hair back.

    3) Hair Club for Men/Bosley - These are organizations that deal more with hair replacement. That is, essentially taking hair folicles from other areas of your scalp still growing hairs, and transplanting them to areas with less hair. I didnt do much research on them. They're probably a more viable option for folks whose hair is out of the growth phase.

    4) Propecia - FDA approved supplement aimed at reducing DHT. After reading alot of consumer reports, it seems like a trustworthy product. However, it might not be as powerful or quick acting as some of the other stuff out there.

    5) Procerin - Herbal supplement targetting DHT and skin health. This product isn't real mainstream but it's gotten glowing consumer reports and the company seems really trustworthy. They have great customer service. They even ofter a 90-day money-back guarantee. They offer 2 products, some pills and a topical serum. Most people reported they saw results within 1-2 months of use. I've been using these for about a month now and I have noticed a bit of a difference. I dont seem to be shedding as much and my wife claims to be noticing more new hairs growing in. Goin on consumer reports, price, and company service, this seemed to be one of the best deals I've found.

    Anyway, like I said, I encourage folks to research this themselves and find out what works best for them. I'm not a doctor or a health nut. I'm just a normal 25 yr old guy like you. Good luck!

    -Count

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  • blincolnblincoln Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I spent a year or two trying out various treatments before I decided to stop wasting money and shave my head. IMO there is nothing on the market right now that's worth the price. All of the available options require that you continue throwing money at your hair loss indefinitely - even hair transplanting. Most of them are of dubious benefit, and some of them (e.g. Propecia) can have nasty side-effects.
    The only treatment I've heard of that sounds even remotely promising won't be on the market for 5-10 years (if it even works as expected), and involves taking samples of your remaining follicles, cloning them en masse, and implanting that entire new set of follicles in your head.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    MoSiAc wrote: »
    I technically fall under 7 I'm a 25 year old Jean Luc Picard. For real don't let it get to you, if you are worried. I just shave the whole thing I've really gotten to like it.

    If it makes you feel better, Patrick Stewart went that bald that early too.

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  • delphinusdelphinus Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    im 23 now. i was at stage 5 when i was 20 (without the back part). my life fucking sucked sometimes.
    theres TONS of lawsuits against bosely medical from excessive scarring across skulls.
    i stopped propecia because i didnt want to depend on it like crack.

    as i was going through high school i kept telling my parents that my hair is thinning and told anyone else that could help me in the family, everyone thought it was just me seeing things. when it hit me, i was so pissed at everyone, went through a spiritual depression from it all, then when i figured no I knew could relate to me i was thinking "Fuck this, i'll pave my own way".

    shaved my head stopped the self-conscious thoughts and turned them into a strength. i have friends who tell me how cool it is that it doesnt bother me (usually its my buddies who know in the future itll happen to them.) now i usually forget what i looked like with hair. my advice to anyone is go with the Captain sisko or Picard look. comb-overs NEVER under ANY circumstance look good. feel good about yourself, this way you know you cant date chicks who are conceited and physical appearace centered. the ones who like you for who you are. those are the keepers

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  • A-RodA-Rod Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Only real problem I have with losing the hair, is that since I shave my head...im stuck with really one 'hairstyle'....shaved. Or ' thinning' if i let it grow.

    Hats and facial hair help when I want to mix my look up a bit

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  • blincolnblincoln Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    delphinus wrote: »
    i have friends who tell me how cool it is that it doesnt bother me

    Yeah, I was pretty surprised at how many people preferred me with a shaved head. Also, it's a lot easier to take care of, and I save a bunch of money I would have spent on hair cuts/dye, shampoo/conditioner, gel, etc.

    The one important thing is to make sure you wear sunblock or a hat when it's sunny out. Having a sunburned head is pretty lame.

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  • VoodooVVoodooV Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Doc wrote: »
    Pfft, I'm at 2. Don't let it bug you.

    I'm also between 1 and 2 and I just turned 32. I agree, don't let it bother you. I also started to let my hair grow longer too and I've had more than one person say I look younger because of it.

    I've had short hair for almost all my life though and I wanted to try something different for a change.

    If you're really feeling self-conscious about it. you can take a tip from my gamer card. do-rags are pretty awesome :) My friend who is about 4 years older than me and between stage VI and VII wears them whenever he isn't working

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  • KingMooKingMoo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Any word on new sustainable hair remedies? I am 28 and I'm in stage 2. I don't want to be bald cuz I saw my brother after he shaved his head once and he looked like an alien.

    I'm considering a shampoo called nioxil (sp?).

    Also, my wife always has her hands in my hair. Is she making me bald? Cuz, if so, I'll have to tell her to back off with those oiled-up crazy hands!

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  • fuelishfuelish Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    At 42 I am only on stage twoish, but even then I trim my hair to a #2 with clippers and would shave it but for the unfortunate resembeance to Anton Lavey

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    VoodooV wrote: »
    Doc wrote: »
    Pfft, I'm at 2. Don't let it bug you.

    I'm also between 1 and 2 and I just turned 32. I agree, don't let it bother you. I also started to let my hair grow longer too and I've had more than one person say I look younger because of it.

    I've had short hair for almost all my life though and I wanted to try something different for a change.

    If you're really feeling self-conscious about it. you can take a tip from my gamer card. do-rags are pretty awesome :) My friend who is about 4 years older than me and between stage VI and VII wears them whenever he isn't working

    In the words of George Costanza: "Bald men always look good in hats"

    Honestly though, I'm on Stage 3 Vertex at age 25, and that shit's been getting thinner since 21. It used to bother me loads, and it still does sometime, but by the same token I've dated more this year than the last 5 combined. In my findings you judge yourself more on baldness than anyone else ever does.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    KingMoo wrote: »
    Any word on new sustainable hair remedies? I am 28 and I'm in stage 2. I don't want to be bald cuz I saw my brother after he shaved his head once and he looked like an alien.

    I'm considering a shampoo called nioxil (sp?).

    Also, my wife always has her hands in my hair. Is she making me bald? Cuz, if so, I'll have to tell her to back off with those oiled-up crazy hands!

    Oddly the NHS in the UK has some on one of its NHS Direct site, here. British tax pounds at work.

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  • RotamRotam Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Yeah I'm 22 and have been going bald since I was 20.

    Just get your head shaved close and try to accept it. Hell, I really like having my head shaved now. And funnily enough, I've gotten more compliments since shaving my head last summer.

    Yes, it gets to me sometimes but I just make do as best as I can. I will never have an epic heavy metal mullet.

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wow, way to revive the dead.

    Anyway, earlier this month there was news that cloning might be the solution.

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