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Metal Gear Solid and the Aquisition of Snakes to Eat
apotheos
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I recently went out of my way to get on to playing the Metal Gear Solid series as I found the trailers for Guns of the Patriots to be quite intriguing. I'd played MGS on the Playstation back in the day, but had a copy of Twin Snakes on the shelf for some time so started there.
The first game was as fun as I remembered, and while the game play on the second game was just as good it is perhaps the stupidest narrative of any game I've ever played. However, I've been soundly encouraged to get to Snake Eater as quickly as possible. However, I've also been told to go after the Subsistence version of the game as it is supposed to be by some measures vastly superior.
The problem is I can't find the fucking thing anywhere, while I can find many copies of Snake Eater in the bargain bin for $15.
So do I just get that, or do I keep searching?
The first game was as fun as I remembered, and while the game play on the second game was just as good it is perhaps the stupidest narrative of any game I've ever played. However, I've been soundly encouraged to get to Snake Eater as quickly as possible. However, I've also been told to go after the Subsistence version of the game as it is supposed to be by some measures vastly superior.
The problem is I can't find the fucking thing anywhere, while I can find many copies of Snake Eater in the bargain bin for $15.
So do I just get that, or do I keep searching?
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If those don't matter to you, then just buy the original.
Just get the original Snake Eater.
Oh, and MGS2 > MGS1 and MGS3
Basically, I have no input, except that it's by far the best MGS game.
MGS3 is awesome. I own the original Snake Eater, and I can't imagine how any newfangled camera could make it any better. I don't think there's any point in killing yourself over trying to find Subsistence.
But a few years later I was convinced to play MGS3. Then I replayed MGS2, and knowing what I learned from 3, 2 actually made some goddamn sense.
Then I read a few articles on 2 that really cleared up some stuff:
This: http://junkerhq.net/MGS2/index.html
And this: http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm
So yeah, 2 actually works. But only after really digging deep into it. For me, anyway.
This is exactly right. With the old camera, you can, you know...see where you are. I guess the new camera gives you that sensation of really "being lost in the jungle", but if you're the type of person who enjoys that, you should probably not be playing video games.
You can click the right stick and switch between the two camera styles.
Some people like being able to see where they're going.
Yeah, I kinda figured.
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The main story, yeah. You won't catch all the in-jokes, but they aren't critical. It plays the best out of all of them, too.
Here, lemme draw it out for you: Because you don't have the soliton radar like you did in MGS1 and 2, you have to rely on the equipment you DO have, which is a dinky little sonar, a motion detector, and a heartbeat sensor. That's fine, but the 2/3rds camera of MGS1 and 2 WAS 2/3rds because if you were watching your radar, you knew what was coming as you ran back toward the screen.
In MGS3 this is not the case. You are in a gigantic jungle, and you cannot see the enemy's position or direction they are facing if the camera is not facing them. You can and will RUN INTO the enemy often and by accident. The "Third-Person Camera" alleviates these problems. I find that when running south at any time, I use the TPC, and for the rest of the game used the regular 2/3rds camera.
Also, the added content of Subsistence is totally excellent and worth the money you pay to get it. And you can get it for maybe 20-30 bucks.
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How do MG1 and MG2 play in it, I read they are "updated" but ...uh..what does that mean?
The story to MGS2 had its quirks, but I can appreciate cheesy Japanese high drama. I cannot appreciate terrible writing and direction, though. This game went into being deeply stupid far to many times.
And Raiden just sucks. A lot.
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Magenta'd for dirty lies.
Seriously, 3 shits all over 2 in pretty much every department.
IF I could find it I would get it. But I can't.
Note I'm in Canada, so that makes it worse.
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I put in a rental of Subsistence a few weeks ago to see how it was different from standard Snake Eater. I played a little bit of MG1 and MG2... both appeared to be near direct ports of the MSX versions (from comparing screenshots and stuff...) with accommodation made for the PS2 where appropriate (saving style, control schemes). MG1 will be significantly different if you are familiar with the NES version, however.
And yeah, the Subsistence version of MG2 is the only official north american release.
Like that awesome injury/food system? Or the wonderful story with absolutely no development for anyone outside of The Boss? Or the fact that it was presented in such a dumbed-down manner after the amazing MGS2, and
Yeah Raiden still kinda grates on me, but Rose is the real killer.
If you're at all interested in dissecting MGS2, flip through the 2nd link I posted earlier and just look at the screenshots. It was enough to pique my interest.
1) Far as I know, yes.
2) Just cleaned up the dialogue a bit, I think.
3) In my most recent play through, I simply ignored whenever Rose started talking. Do that, and you should be golden. Seriously, it does get better with age. Playing the other games more makes you appreciate the little bits of MGS2 more (not to mention making much more sense out of the insane plot).
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@hoodiethirteen
Well, I mean, I'm not going to argue with you about it, what with this being a matter of taste and so on. But if you honestly think that The Boss is the only developed character in MGS3, then I'd suggest that you need to play it again - and pay some fucking attention this time.
EDIT: Ha ha ha! Read that spoiler you posted for MGS2 and tell me again how it's got a better plot than MGS3. Ha ha ha! Oh, wow.
You can't tell me that MGS3's story wasn't told in a much more straightforward manner. You weren't guessing at all. And if you were, you should snuggle up with a nice copy of The Transporter or something.
I don't care if the Cobras were "symbols". They could have presented that, just as well as they could have given then some development of their own. MGS1 and 2 did it, it's not a foreign concept.
Snake's development goes as far as they ordered his mentor to death, so now he doesn't trust the US anymore. DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING!
Yeah, AI is such a far-out concept. Definitely never heard of anything along those lines at all.
OH WAIT
Sorry...in my haste to detract MGS3's bad points, I forgot to mention its best part, and a character who does have a bit of development (and a lot of badassness): Ocelot. Even if he does meow. Still, every scene with him was pure joy.
It's not just pointing out visual similarities, it's about why. And it's not just post modernism for post modernism's sake.
eh, they're on the website that's linked at the top of the post. they're also huge images. so, no.
Please. The plot in MGS2 is utter fucking nonsense. In fact, it's such nonsense that I'm inclined to think the whole thing is a practical joke - and that people like you are the ones who fell for it.
EDIT: Wait - did you just point to the THE MATRIX as proof that MGS2's plot isn't garbage? THE MATRIX? Please tell me you're not serious.
Would you please explain to me how, in the grand scheme of things, the plot of EVERY Metal Gear Solid isn't utter fucking nonsense?
Hell, look at MGS1. Pure fucking nonsense. But still enjoyable.
Am I talking to myself here? Seriously, this explains a lot of stuff. It's not a perfect argument. I have issues with it, but it's pretty good.
http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm
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The camo mechanic was nothing short of annoying, and the setting wasn't as interesting. I didn't mind playing as Raiden like most people did, but my biggest gripe with either of the two is the shitty ass controls. Having to hold three shoulder buttons while holding the square button (just enough to not fire) to peek around a corner was like an Olympic event for my hands and fingers.
That ending was ice cold.