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I dont feel very good about all this, then again they are entitled to patrol there own borders and keep a strong military! its not like we can say much we invaded another country. (good or bad, thats what we did)
how do all of you feel about Putin and the moves he has been making lately?
This has the potential to be an awesome thread but, I kinda don't know where to begin...usually when you start a thread you supposed to kick off the conversation...
This has the potential to be an awesome thread but, I kinda don't know where to begin...usually when you start a thread you supposed to kick off the conversation...
I myself don't know how to feel. I look at Putin and instantly notice that he is a charismatic leader that is doing good things for his country. Then I look at the militarization of that country and militarization always without fail always stimulates the economy. Just look at their defense spending, I saw a bunch of weird stuff they were making on wired.com.
With concerns to the expansion stuff; It was my understanding that the arctic was to remain unclaimed by any country and Russia was just like: "tsh we claimin this shit what choo gonna do bout it".
My anthropology professor used the USSR as an example of why laisse-faire economics are not necessarily good for every nation on earth at all times: Robber barons took control of many industries and they ended up with a massive amount of organized crime. Of course the USSR wasn't happy-lucky-funland before the break-up, so I suppose the people are just getting screwed by different people now, or at least people with different job titles. Not having lived there, I couldn't say whether it's actually worse or better now.
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I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
I myself don't know how to feel. I look at Putin and instantly notice that he is a charismatic leader that is doing good things for his country. Then I look at the militarization of that country and militarization always without fail always stimulates the economy. Just look at their defense spending, I saw a bunch of weird stuff they were making on wired.com.
toward the end of the cold war, the USSR was spending close to 25% of their GNP on their military, and ther economy was in the toliet. just because a country spends money on the military doesn't mean their economy is going to do well too
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"okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
I myself don't know how to feel. I look at Putin and instantly notice that he is a charismatic leader that is doing good things for his country. Then I look at the militarization of that country and militarization always without fail always stimulates the economy. Just look at their defense spending, I saw a bunch of weird stuff they were making on wired.com.
toward the end of the cold war, the USSR was spending close to 25% of their GNP on their military, and ther economy was in the toliet. just because a country spends money on the military doesn't mean their economy is going to do well too
I myself don't know how to feel. I look at Putin and instantly notice that he is a charismatic leader that is doing good things for his country. Then I look at the militarization of that country and militarization always without fail always stimulates the economy. Just look at their defense spending, I saw a bunch of weird stuff they were making on wired.com.
toward the end of the cold war, the USSR was spending close to 25% of their GNP on their military, and ther economy was in the toliet. just because a country spends money on the military doesn't mean their economy is going to do well too
agreed.
what, really? because you just said that "militarization always without fail always stimulates the economy" and i just said that's incorrect.
unless you were being sarcastic and i didn't pick up on it
edit: also "I look at Putin and instantly notice that he is a charismatic leader that is doing good things for his country."
yeah, i'm pretty sure you were just being sarcastic and i'm just dumb.
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"okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
toward the end of the cold war, the USSR was spending close to 25% of their GNP on their military, and ther economy was in the toliet. just because a country spends money on the military doesn't mean their economy is going to do well too
...and right now the dollar is worth fuckall compared to the rest of the world. I shopping online thanks to that. :P
Didn't the cold war help sustain both the US and USSR economies?
hahahahahahah NO
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
toward the end of the cold war, the USSR was spending close to 25% of their GNP on their military, and ther economy was in the toliet. just because a country spends money on the military doesn't mean their economy is going to do well too
...and right now the dollar is worth fuckall compared to the rest of the world. I shopping online thanks to that. :P
it's a more nuanced than that, but yeah, the iraq war isn't helping our economy
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"okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
like i said, it's a lot more nuanced than that. the economy doesn't just automatically respond because there's a war going on, and in the soviet union's case, the way they were running their economy meant that no amount of cold war defense spending was going to magically make their economy all better.
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"okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
Maybe it's because of all the "fuck you"s we've been sending Moscow recently.
But Bush looked into Putin's soul and discovered he was a good man! Why would a good man act like a jackass?
Our president can peer into people's souls now? Like wishmaster?
I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.
Didn't the cold war help sustain both the US and USSR economies?
hahahahahahah NO
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
I remember an 80's movie with John Candy in it (Canadian Bacon), and it had almost that same plot. America wanted a new cold war so they got Russia to come down here and they said no and it eventually lead to a cold war with Canada. I know my description is kinda sketchy it been a while since I've seen it.
Didn't the cold war help sustain both the US and USSR economies?
hahahahahahah NO
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
I remember an 80's movie with John Candy in it (Canadian Bacon), and it had almost that same plot. America wanted a new cold war so they got Russia to come down here and they said no and it eventually lead to a cold war with Canada. I know my description is kinda sketchy it been a while since I've seen it.
It was an Ok movie, it had a few funny parts. it was in 1995 though.
Didn't the cold war help sustain both the US and USSR economies?
hahahahahahah NO
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
I remember an 80's movie with John Candy in it (Canadian Bacon), and it had almost that same plot. America wanted a new cold war so they got Russia to come down here and they said no and it eventually lead to a cold war with Canada. I know my description is kinda sketchy it been a while since I've seen it.
It was an Ok movie, it had a few funny parts. it was in 1995 though.
Didn't the cold war help sustain both the US and USSR economies?
hahahahahahah NO
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
I remember an 80's movie with John Candy in it (Canadian Bacon), and it had almost that same plot. America wanted a new cold war so they got Russia to come down here and they said no and it eventually lead to a cold war with Canada. I know my description is kinda sketchy it been a while since I've seen it.
It was an Ok movie, it had a few funny parts. it was in 1995 though.
Funny thing about that movie, is it was a Michael Moore movie, and I think, his best one. Is it wierd that I think his fictional comedy was more worthwhile than his "documentaries"?
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Didn't the cold war help sustain both the US and USSR economies?
hahahahahahah NO
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
I remember an 80's movie with John Candy in it (Canadian Bacon), and it had almost that same plot. America wanted a new cold war so they got Russia to come down here and they said no and it eventually lead to a cold war with Canada. I know my description is kinda sketchy it been a while since I've seen it.
It was an Ok movie, it had a few funny parts. it was in 1995 though.
Funny thing about that movie, is it was a Michael Moore movie, and I think, his best one. Is it wierd that I think his fictional comedy was more worthwhile than his "documentaries"?
Didn't the cold war help sustain both the US and USSR economies?
hahahahahahah NO
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
Uhh. Fucking no. Holy lord no.
Military spending is fucking terrible. The Cold war for the U.S. was sustained by gains and debt from WWII. For the U.S.S.R. it was an unmitigated disaster.
But these gains from WWII only came because after the rest of the industrialized world had the shit blown out of it the U.S. had a huge comparative advantage in producing everything
I mean, if a bunch of people were fighting in your house, blew the shit out of it and then some other guy came in built you a house and on a contract for debt he would be able to buy a bunch of fancy stuff too.
In short, follow this axiom.
Military spending is only advantagious when when that spending is used to procure resources or keep resources from being producred from you. [which is in all ways a negative sum game compared to other spending]
During the cold war, we overproduced military needs to a ridiculous extent.
I'm tempted to look at these three events as seperate incidences and that they're not building on one another. The Kremlin sticks their fingers in the US's eyes any chance they get or they'll bullshit a reason just to do it. This backdrop of hostility left over from the Cold War is nothing new, it's just Russia is able to flex it's muscles more actively now than 16 years ago. The Kremlin's flush with cash from the relatively new state owned oil sector, so it makes sense to revitalize the deflated ego of the Russian Federations armed forces. If my intuition proves corret, these are just short lived stunts that Russia won't follow up with any real firepower. Besides, their military is like 50 years behind current technological trends.
The most interesting article here is the claim of the extent of land protruding from the Lomonosov shelf. With the ten billion barrels of oil sitting there we can be sure to see more vodka induced hilarity.
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how do all of you feel about Putin and the moves he has been making lately?
Meh. Although, Europe will kick up a shit storm if he turns into the Siberian Chavez.
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I think that generally, China and Russia will start asserting themselves more and more. Which is kind of understandable. But I dont trust the US and more than I trust Russia really.
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I can't make this shit up. Well, I guess I could.
Someone needs to kick Putin in the balls, but he's got quite a bit of Sambo training.
hahahahahahah NO
With concerns to the expansion stuff; It was my understanding that the arctic was to remain unclaimed by any country and Russia was just like: "tsh we claimin this shit what choo gonna do bout it".
I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
toward the end of the cold war, the USSR was spending close to 25% of their GNP on their military, and ther economy was in the toliet. just because a country spends money on the military doesn't mean their economy is going to do well too
agreed.
what, really? because you just said that "militarization always without fail always stimulates the economy" and i just said that's incorrect.
unless you were being sarcastic and i didn't pick up on it
edit: also "I look at Putin and instantly notice that he is a charismatic leader that is doing good things for his country."
yeah, i'm pretty sure you were just being sarcastic and i'm just dumb.
...and right now the dollar is worth fuckall compared to the rest of the world. I shopping online thanks to that. :P
Nothing more then hahahah no? That's it? I mean I didn't really elaborate, but in times of conflict defense contracts do an awesome job of stimulating the economy and generating local revenue.
After the cold war ended and we started to close bases up here there was a noticeable decline in economic activity. I've often thought it would be a great scheme for two countries to intentionally have a cold war just to keep their economy running on a certain level.
it's a more nuanced than that, but yeah, the iraq war isn't helping our economy
like i said, it's a lot more nuanced than that. the economy doesn't just automatically respond because there's a war going on, and in the soviet union's case, the way they were running their economy meant that no amount of cold war defense spending was going to magically make their economy all better.
But Bush looked into Putin's soul and discovered he was a good man! Why would a good man act like a jackass?
Actually, that was Bush giving Putin cancer with his x-ray vision.
Our president can peer into people's souls now? Like wishmaster?
I remember an 80's movie with John Candy in it (Canadian Bacon), and it had almost that same plot. America wanted a new cold war so they got Russia to come down here and they said no and it eventually lead to a cold war with Canada. I know my description is kinda sketchy it been a while since I've seen it.
It was an Ok movie, it had a few funny parts. it was in 1995 though.
Canadian Bacon
my mistake.
Funny thing about that movie, is it was a Michael Moore movie, and I think, his best one. Is it wierd that I think his fictional comedy was more worthwhile than his "documentaries"?
At any rate, there were upsides and downsides to the cold war. I almost miss the days of proxy wars instead of civil wars.
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He's actually a really funny guy.
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Uhh. Fucking no. Holy lord no.
Military spending is fucking terrible. The Cold war for the U.S. was sustained by gains and debt from WWII. For the U.S.S.R. it was an unmitigated disaster.
But these gains from WWII only came because after the rest of the industrialized world had the shit blown out of it the U.S. had a huge comparative advantage in producing everything
I mean, if a bunch of people were fighting in your house, blew the shit out of it and then some other guy came in built you a house and on a contract for debt he would be able to buy a bunch of fancy stuff too.
In short, follow this axiom.
Military spending is only advantagious when when that spending is used to procure resources or keep resources from being producred from you. [which is in all ways a negative sum game compared to other spending]
During the cold war, we overproduced military needs to a ridiculous extent.
did he say "she attends funerals for fetal tissue"?
The most interesting article here is the claim of the extent of land protruding from the Lomonosov shelf. With the ten billion barrels of oil sitting there we can be sure to see more vodka induced hilarity.
Like this!
Edit:
Meh. Although, Europe will kick up a shit storm if he turns into the Siberian Chavez.
Besides, we can always claim the Moon. Then we can begin work on the "Alan Parsons Project".
Nah, I hear China going to be the next one up there to plant the old flag.
The governments or the people? Personally, I've got no problem with him offering cheap fuel to poor people and telling the IMF to eat a dick.
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