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My name's Raslin, and I'm a smoker
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(Alright, guys, please don't be douche's in this thread. If you want to throw in your two cents about smoking, good or bad, go make a D&D thread.)
Anyways, I've never been to Seattle before(Hell, out of cali/nevada). So I don't know how things work for the rest of you all. Basically, I just have a few questions...
1. How are cigarette prices in Washington(and Seattle specifically, if there's additional city things). They are around $4.75 a pack in California, for just some regular camels/marlboro's. Wondering if I should buy them before I leave, or when I get there.
2. Any weird laws in Seattle about smoking? For example, one of me neighboring cities just passed a law where you can't smoke within 25ft of a door.
Anyways, I've never been to Seattle before(Hell, out of cali/nevada). So I don't know how things work for the rest of you all. Basically, I just have a few questions...
1. How are cigarette prices in Washington(and Seattle specifically, if there's additional city things). They are around $4.75 a pack in California, for just some regular camels/marlboro's. Wondering if I should buy them before I leave, or when I get there.
2. Any weird laws in Seattle about smoking? For example, one of me neighboring cities just passed a law where you can't smoke within 25ft of a door.
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You can't smoke within 25ft of a door into/out of a building.
No smoking in anyone's place of employment.
Hotels are required to have 75% of their rooms as non-smoking.
About what I'm used to there :P
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so you best be hiding behind a tree when we come walking 'round.
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I'm not a lawyer, so don't get mad at me if you get fined, but under section 5 of Initiative 901, it states:
Dear Smokers,
Please don't smoke in line. Hell, I'll hold your place in line while you go for a walk with your cigarette. Just don't smoke in line. Please.
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Even though this has nothing really to do with Seattle, and smoking there.
I don't know.
But, I know it's about six bucks a pack. So fuck that. As an California ex-smoker; buy here, smoke there.
If anyone near me in line smokes, I will spit on them. I'm not kidding. Its disgusting and you can't even argue thats its not bad for you or those near you.
Spitting on people is also disgusting.
If I catch anyone smoking OR spitting on people I will personally deliver a crotch kick to the parties violating this. And don't say "what about girls?" cause I'm not sure if you've ever talked to a girl that's been kicked in her down parts, but its not pleasant I hear.
Actually, I probably wont...at least not until after I've politely asked, after that you're fair game. Smoking is your deal, don't make other people suffer through it.
You are allowed to smoke in any public area you want, as long as it isn't indoors. The law only says you can't smoke in a public place indoors, or within 25 feet of a door or window. So you could sit outside the WSCTC and smoke if you want, as long as you aren't next to a door. So feel free to smoke in a park, at the Seattle Center, outside the convention center, wherever. That section you brought up appears to only be talking about the 25-foot-rule - if a sidewalk goes by a bunch of shops, you don't have to walk out into the street.
Outdoors is fair game.
That would be the point that its disgusting. My parents smoked and I paid for it with the health of my lungs, which the after affects are now becoming apparent. I get to cough up mucus every couple hours and my throat hurts when I do. Smoking around other people is not only rude, disgusting and painful to inhale, its also very harmful. I will return in kind anyone inconsiderate enough to do so.
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as far as the law goes, its inconsistently enforced. If an officer sees you and doesn't have other pressing matters the chance of a ticket is high, if your inside a building its guaranteed, but if your 15 feet out side a door they won't care.
Not to get this too off-topic, but my dad smoked heavily all 20 years I lived with my parents, never going outside to smoke or anything (my mom didn't start enforcing that until they retired), and at 33 I don't have any health-effects from that (my brother actually had severe asthma *go away* while living with them too - of course, now *he* smokes...) Are you sure that's the reason you're having lung/throat issues?
There is absolutely no science or medical proof that secondhand smoke is bad for you, except in the sense that smoke inhalation can be hazardous. The biggest problems people can have with it is there are people who can be mildly to deadly allergic to it. However, since the majority of the carcinogens in the smoke are absorbed by the smoker's lungs, the exhaled smoke is fairly safe. However, some people are just offended by it or are annoyed. Either way, if you are near me, and want to smoke, feel free. I won't stop you. I am one of like 2 maybe 3 people who likes the smell of secondhand smoke. Don't ask me, probably has to do with my dad smoking my whole life, inside, next to me on the couch.
EDIT: And don't quote me anything from a site with .gov or that uses the EPA's unfounded and bullshit report on secondhand smoke. It's all government propaganda. Most third party, unaffiliated medical research comes out with very little health effects regarding secondhand smoke.
But yeah. I even get mad if people are in close quarters outside(concert, lines, etc) and start smoking. Unless the line is a multiple hour line, fucking hold it in. You won't die waiting for forty minutes without a cig.
But yeah, though I hate to throw into the somewhat offtopicness in my own thread, I have a history of asthma in my family, and I've had hay fever before. Smoking hasn't really affected that one way or another. Though one of my good friends actually stopped needing an inhaler after he started smoking. Strange that.
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I don't smoke, but people always seem to love buying tons of stuff while visiting here.
And neither of my parents ever smoked while I was growing up.
Or I just wanted to be a rebel.
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This is true. Hopefully it won't be an issue at all.
I certainly wouldn't yell or spit at a smoker--I understand that quitting is really hard, and not everyone is inclined to give it up--but I might politely ask a smoker to go for a walk away from the line until they finish the cigarette.
Smoking doesn't have to be grounds for war. It's just that some smokers are really inconsiderate, and some anti-smokers are militant, leading to a lot more conflict than there needs to be.
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Okay, the EPA's report concerning secondhand smoke has been refuted on more than one occasion by third party scientific research. It basically states that secondhand smoke has this huge number of death-dealing chemicals that cause cancer. Almost every government agency and website uses this same report in all of their statements regarding secondhand smoke.
Here is an article based off of a report filed by the British Medical Journal.
Give it a read. Several respected medical professionals state very clearly that it's not the killer the government makes it out to be.
Like I said, some people can be allergic, some people can be annoyed, some could have sensitive noses and it burns them. Whatever. But it is in no way risking the health of everyone around you. It's just rude to light up and blow smoke around people who aren't comfortable with it.
Here is yet another site that picks apart the research.
An article summarizing years of reports and findings in research.
How is that for evidence? Instead, if you look up any other report on a government website, you will find the same terms, and same formula. All because they are the same report. The EPA's report.
Alright, I admit what I said was stupid. Very stupid. I should know better than to make an argument without citing a source or something first.
But yeah, there is plenty of evidence supporting the idea that secondhand smoke is generally harmless, and so far, the majority of the reports found online all have the same source, the EPA's report which has so much tobacco-hate in it, it's nuts. Sorry for flying off on my tangent in the first post and giving baseless accusations, that was downright dumb of me, I apologize.
But I do enjoy it so...
At any rate, the smoking laws in King County are technically enforced by the Health Department. If a complaint is filed, a business that people are smoking in front of (like too close to an open door), the business gets a warning, and then fined after more infractions. eventually the business can get shut down.
SPD usually has better people to harass downtown.
When I last dated a smoker, I noticed a significant decrease in my lung capacity after staying at his apartment for a week. I did find it harder to breathe and be physically active (going up stairs, walking uphill) by the third or fourth day. I was back to normal within a few days of being home, but it was noticeable. One of my parents chain smokes, and visiting them for the holidays has the same effect unless I spend plenty of time breathing fresh air.
Basically, don't be an inconsiderate smoker. Smoking near windows and doors guarantees that the smoke goes somewhere to someone that may not appreciate it (someone's office or apartment for example). Whether it's enforced or not, I always figure people smoking next to entrances are jerks for not giving a damn about anyone but themselves.
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I forgot about this. This is why the indoor smoking ban initiative was so stupid. It makes it the health department's responsibility to enforce the 25 foot rule, but doesn't say how they should do this, or give them resources to do this.
It's also bullshit that a business can be fined because a jackass patron lights up inside, or a jackass complainer has a vendetta.
As an aside, there used to be a hookah lounge on E Olive Way. I asked the owner how it worked given the smoking ban, and he said the way the initiative was written, it's actually geared toward protecting the employees' health; as in, employees can't be subjected to second hand smoke. So he claimed his business was a private club with no employees. It got shut down though, which is a shame because it was a pretty relaxed, friendly place with people playing video games and spinning records.
To be clear, I believe the business and the offender get fined... but I'm not completely sure.
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The good news is that there were a few of us around and we were able to find a place to grab a quick smoke without offending anyone.
The better news is that there was SO MUCH STUFF to do at PAX that I think I maybe smoked 5 cigarettes the entire time I was at the convention hall.
To add to the debate: there is a lot of evidence supporting and condemning the government study about second hand smoke and health benefits, but there is absolutely no evidence that second-hand smoke leads to second-hand coolness. 8-)
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my fiance is a smoker so i understand frustration over the "smokers are teh evil" mentality and our city has pretty much called smokers 2nd class citizens
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The problem is that there's a huge push right now to break the chain of smoking... each generation picks it up, and because it's addictive, they keep at it. Yeah, smokers are being shoved into the corner, but if it keeps kids from feeling that it's a cool, easy thing to start doing, then it's worth it.
I don't think most smokers are even aware of how often they push around non-smokers (I've had to move out of bus shelters into the pouring rain to get away from smoke) so I'm a little bit less sympathetic than I might otherwise be.
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Last time I was up in WA, a carton of Camel 99's ran me pretty close to $50, and Marb 100 reds were a little cheaper at about $45. I'll forever suggest getting 'em before heading over.
I love cheap cigarette shops.
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So if memes make great shirts,
And Pod Six is Jerks,
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