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[EVE] Internet Spaceships, War, Political Intrigue, and Slashfic

MadtownMadtown Registered User regular
edited November 2007 in MMO Extravaganza
Previous thread here.

IF YOU WANT TO JOIN THE PENNY ARCADE CORP, SCROLL TO THE MERCH INDUSTRIAL BANNER AND READ THE TOP SECTION. IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS ANSWERED THERE I WILL CALL YOU STUPID.

Atari Mu: "No more than two weeks into the game, I found myself in the middle of a massive ambush of seven enemy capital ships. Being in a tiny ship myself, I rushed to the front-lines to try and do my part. I exploded in about thirty seconds.

It was glorious."

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Gentlemen, welcome to The Great War... in Space. Welcome to EVE Online.

EVE Online is an MMO set in the space region called New Eden, irrevocably separated from Earth after an inexplicable incident involving the Eve Gate, the one connection between New Eden and Earth.

The game world spans hundreds of solar systems, divided into several regions of varying security level from 1.0 to 0.0 -- the former being highly patrolled by NPC police, the latter being lawless territory for the largest player corporations to war over. It would take several hours at best to travel from one side of the galaxy to another.

Not only is the game world vast in a spatial sense, but in a player sense. Eve Online is entirely unsharded -- every single player shares the same game world, with between 15,000 - 30,000 players online at any given time.

Besides the sheer size of the game land, there are several things which divide EVE from the rest of the MMOs on the market, and make it something truly special.

Freedom: There are no goals except those which you make for yourself. There are no professions, no classes, no titles that the game assigns your character based on your decisions on character creation. You are what you do. No more, no less.

Character Progression: In Eve, everyone learns new skills at almost exactly the same rate as everyone else -- in real-time, not based on killing NPCs. Furthermore, skills continue to train while you're offline, so even if you have to take a two-week hiatus, you're still going to progress in skill assuming you set a sufficiently long-term skill to train. So set a skill, and then go fly around doing whatever you want. Or log out and go to the bar. Or set one of the longer skills to train, and take a few weeks off -- when you get back, you'll have that painfully long skill out of the way.

Skill System Depth: The skill system is deep AND broad; to learn to do everything at peak efficiency would take something on the order of at least seven years -- and by then there'll be more to train anyway, rest assured. On the other hand, the broadness of skills available allow a relatively new player to become proficient in a short time by focusing on a particular race's ships, particular ship classes, on trading, or on mining and production.

The Stakes Matter: PVP in Eve matters because there are stakes involved. When you lose your ship, you lose your ship. There's insurance, but that will often only cover most of the hull cost (on tech 2 ships, it won't even cover much of that). Modules, cargo, special implants all can be destroyed. And if your modules/cargo weren't destroyed, rest assured your opponent will almost certainly loot them from your wreck. But that's just on a personal level -- PVP matters on a corporation and alliance level too, as player groups numbering in the thousands war over 0.0 territory, the richest areas in the game. Losing a battle might not only mean the loss of your ship -- it might mean the loss of your home, leaving your non-liquid assets locked in now-hostile territory.

So it's open-ended. Great. So, uh, what do I do?

These are the general areas of play in Eve Online. It's not comprehensive, particularly when it comes to PVP and Alliances -- just an overview.
  • Kill NPC pirates (or NPC police!) for bounties and loot
  • Play the fully-open, well-featured, player-driven market through trade
  • Mine for raw materials, and/or produce equipment and ships that can either be used personally or sold on the market
  • Pirate and ransom other players in low-security space
  • Use scanning equipment to search space for hidden PVE sites
  • Join The Great War for 0.0 Space with the Penny Arcade alliance WANG or any of their allies (or their enemies, if you're a git)

Speaking of WANG...
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JOINING MERCH INDUSTRIAL and WANG
Quick step-by-step guide to joining. READ THIS.

0) Post in this thread, so we know you're coming. Mention your in-game name.
1) Do the tutorial -- stop after the first mission or two, but do everything up through that.
2) Fly to Mista and dock at the station at Moon 4 - Ishukone Corporation Factory. Apply to Merch Industrial. Mention your PA forums name in your application.
3) Wait to be accepted.
4) Once accepted, new tabs on your mailbox will show up -- Corp and Alliance. Read the TWO Corp mails by Rhonyn Peacemaker for instructions on joining our forums. To Evemail Rhonyn, right click his name in your mailbox and click Send Message -- DO NOT REPLY TO THE CORP MAIL ITSELF, YOU WILL BE SENDING THE MAIL TO THE ENTIRE CORP.
5) While waiting for forums access, say Hi in corp chat. Join the MRCHI-Help channel to ask any newbie questions you have or to otherwise get help from vets that are free.
6) Once you've been approved on our forums, read the "NEWBIES READ THIS" sticky in our General forums, which will also have a LOT of resources -- info on newbie programs we run like Mentors, frigate caches, and newbie ops, guides to help you get going, and links to other great Eve information.


Why didn't I get accepted yet / I got rejected you guys are jerks
If you are rejected, or you application is not processed, please consider the following:

1) Did you act like a faggot?
2) Were you rude or abrasive in your application?
3) Did you do something to piss Rhonyn Peacemaker off?

If any of these are "yes," please feel free to fuck off.

Otherwise, just send a quick ingame evemail to Rhonyn Peacemaker telling him what your situation is (in a concise manner) and he will be more than happy to approve your application. Do not send multiple applications, or multiple evemails within a 24 hour period.

In conclusion, anyone with an active PA forums account is welcome to join the PA corp, assuming you don't do monumentally stupid things that piss off the recruitment director. So be a little patient, and be polite and concise if you Evemail him.

About Merch Industrial

What began as a small industrial corp that was barely able to defend itself has, over the course of the past half-year, evolved into something quite grand. What was (and technically still is) Merch Industrial has become the WANG Alliance.

As a corporation, we produce a multitude of non-capital vessels, and have a developing capital ship production program as well. Many individuals in the corporation are quite the burgeoning industrialists themselves, producing modules and ships for sale either in Empire space or 0.0 space. There are traders who specialize in trading rare ships and blueprints, and there are traders who specialize in trading modules or minerals in vast quantities. There are mining specialists, who can strip asteroid belts dry in a blink, and haulers who can haul that loads sweet ore to a production facility. There are an ever-growing number of pilots dedicated to PVP, constantly fighting our enemies -- whether they're local pirates in Hoshoun or the opposing forces in the largest territorial war in Eve history. Most of us participate in many or all of these activities -- the multifaceted gameplay of Eve allows you to give it all a try, and many of us do.

WANG currently operates out of two areas. The first is our old dependable fortress in Hoshoun, on the edge of the Amarrian Empire in low-sec. It has a single station, abundant belts, good NPC hunting opportunities, fairly fast access to one of the game's best market hubs, and close proximity to some of the staunchest allies we've ever had. Hoshoun is no longer the bustling hub of WANG activity, but remains an area of operation for members who elect to remain in low-sec (either due to inexperience with 0.0 space, or their own personal preferences).

The second area is deep southeastern 0.0 space, which includes Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek, Curse, Detorid, Tenerifis, and Omist -- the primary areas of operation of our 0.0 allies (Goonswarm, Red Alliance, and Tau Ceti Federation). Currently, our operations in the area include ice mining which produces materials necessary for POS and capital ship usage, individual production of modules and ships to sell on their market, and daily combat operations (the objectives and nature of which vary widely on any given day). In return, we have mining, ratting, and mission running access in that area of space.

Either area can be dangerous for a new player, but with a bit of readily available assistance from older members you can be on the way to massive profit in no time. Do not be afraid to ask questions, whether it is in this thread or in-game. Many older players are more than happy to help you in whatever way possible, whether it's advice or a bit of cash to get started. We might be busy at any given moment, but we WILL help you adjust to the realities of 0.0 space if you ask for our advice and assitance.

To join Merch Industrial / WANG, READ THE TOP OF THIS POST. While you work on that, join the PennyArcade channel in-game and let us know you are coming. This channel is only lightly monitored and is open to all PennyArcade Eve players, but stick around and someone will chat with you eventually. Then, make your way down to one of the following systems and apply:

Hoshoun VII - Moon 17 - Imperial Armaments Warehouse (Headquarters)
Kor-Azor Prime IV (Eclipticum) - Moon Griklaeum - Ishukone Corporation Factory
Ishisomo VIII - Propel Dynamics Factory
Slays V - Moon 1 - Ducia Foundry Mineral Reserve
Mista V - Moon 4 - Ishukone Corporation Factory

Mista is your best bet. It is in 0.5 space, meaning that NPC police still have a strong presence (anyone attacking you will be killed), but is a mere 5 jumps away from Hoshoun.

If you wish to join our 0.0 operations in Goonspace from Day 1, you're certainly welcomed and encouraged to do so. In that case, you'll want to wait until you've been accepted into the corp so we can advise you on how to podjump (the best way to get to our 0.0 headquarters), toss a few ISK your way so you can buy a frigate out here, and help you get on your feet monetarily as well as find someone to shoot at.

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Space is divided into three general security levels on a scale from 1.0 to 0.0. 1.0 to 0.5 is considered high security Empire space, where players who commit aggressive acts against other players will swiftly and inevitably have their ships destroyed by the NPC police organization CONCORD. High security space is not a TOTAL guarantor of safety, but it's close.

0.4 to 0.1 is considered low security Empire space, where aggressive acts can take place without CONCORD retribution, but your personal security status will dive and automated turrets around stations and gates will open fire for a time.

0.0 is lawless space; there is absolutely no retribution for aggression, it is where the real meaty stuff is, and it is where the Great War is taking place. It also has the best resources in terms of NPC bounties and asteroids to mine in the game. It's also completely player-run. Players hold sovereignty over space, and players make the wars.

And the current war is the biggest one to date. For a general idea, let's take a look at the map.

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The blobs of blue in the south, west, and north are our enemies (known by general EveO pubbies as "The Alliance"). The red blob in the southeast are our allies (known by general EveO pubbies as "The Coalition"). The small green blobs in the north are what remains of the Northern section of The Coalition, and are also our allies (although to a weaker extent).

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Latest version of Sov Influence map

The Sov Influence map is more accurate and updated almost daily, but does not color-code based on political alignment.

So who are these allies you mentioned?

GOONSWARM
Our closest 0.0 allies, going on six months now. Goonswarm is the alliance we work most closely with -- so closely that many in the Swarm often assume that we've become a member corporation of their alliance. We make money, produce goods, mine important minerals, and fight in defense of their space with Goonswarm pilots. Several of our members are even budding Fleet Commanders, leading combat ops of Goons and Wangs, along with other allies as well. They're fantastic allies. The key thing to operating alongside Goonswarm is to keep a sense of humor, and take no personal offense when you get called a faggot spy. Keep a thick skin and learn the ropes, and they'll be the best spacefriends you've ever had.

RED ALLIANCE and TAU CETI FEDERATION
The other two main parts of the southern red block, referred to as RedSwarmFederation by anyone who knows what they're talking about. RA is composed of a bunch of angry Russians that may very well be the best capital force in the game. Their resilience is phenomenal -- once forced back into a single system by a coalition numbering in the thousands, RA has ground down enemy after enemy over the last year. TCF is composed of French-speaking corps, and are also highly successful at capital and sub-capital warfare. The most infamous incident many tell of TCF is when they executed a seige of an important station system without their enemy OR their allies knowing, essentially handing Goonswarm a new system on a platter in a single day.

CURATORES VERITATIS ALLIANCE
And last but most certainly not least, CVA. There are some on these forums who will smack them up for being "haughty roleplayers" or somesuch; honestly, WANG likely could not have gotten as far as it has without the help CVA has often given us. They are the guardians of the area around Hoshoun (our low-sec base), and although we can contribute quite a bit to our own defense, on the rare occasion we are overpowered CVA throws themselves to our defense without fear or hesitation. They are our oldest ally, and despite the fact that most of us now operate quite some distance from their space, they remain a highly valued ally.

So, uh, do we have any enemies?

Well, unfortunately you don't make quite as many friends and get quite as big as we do without gaining the enimity of a few of the big boys. Of major note:

BAND OF BROTHERS
Band of Brothers is one of the most powerful alliances in the game. They are also the sworn enemies of the GoonSwarm, and since Lotka Volterra fell faster than a house of cards, you can be sure that BoB and RedSwarmFederation are currently fighting the biggest war the game has ever seen. These are the guys most of us shoot at on a day to day basis. Recently, our very own Hrin played a pivotal role in decloaking their Titan, leading to its destruction. BoB's stated goal: to conquer all of Eve.

Various tenants and allies of BoB
The allies and tenants (often referred to as "pets") of Band of Brothers are too numerous to name, and currently we don't see many of them. The most prominent is Mercenary Coalition, a mercenary group that controls a section of BoB space in exchange for two weeks of free mercenary work each year. Their most recent exploits were heading the forces that toppled much of the Northern Coalition, leading to the dissolution of long-time nothern entity D2 and the relocation of IRON. Now that MC's contract is up, the remaining green northern allies have begun fighting to retake their space from the various pets BoB has installed.

USHRA'KHAN
Ushra'Khan is the alliance idealogically opposed to CVA, CVA being pro-Amarr-Empire and U'K being pro-Minmatar (and thus anti-slavery.) The problem with U'K, from the WANG standpoint, is that their anti-slavery crusade extends to violence, and unfortunately that violence also seems to extend to friends of CVA. While not nearly as huge as LV or BoB, U'K certainly makes operations for those remaining in and around Hoshoun interesting from time to time. CVA and U'K have been locked in their most heated battles to date over the last few months, making the area quite a hotbed of hostilities.


Additionally, WANG occasionally has to deal with random pirate twits who come after us thinking we're easy kills. Sometimes they're right, and we get crushed for a few battles; sometimes we end up camping them into their home systems while they offer us money to go away. Whatever the case, we're always up for some fleshreaping.

So I'd like to play... What do I do?

Free fourteen day trials are available by clicking this sentence. No emailing other members necessary, no credit card necessary.

But I have some questions!

Keep reading; below are some flashy videos and screenshots, answers to some frequently asked questions, some suggestions on creating your character, and some comments on various aspects of the game by MRCHI members.



Credit to SpaceDrake and Ledneh for much of this content.

Angelus Damelon - Eve
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    MadtownMadtown Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm not sold. gf-colbert.gif

    Then I should post some screenshots and videos.

    /!\ NEW STAHLREGEN VIDEO: REDSWARMFEDERATION /!\

    Probably my favorite video of his to date, yes I say that every time Stahl makes a video but this one is awesome ok

    OFFICIAL VIDEOS
    EVE Online Intro - explains the New Eden backstory
    EVE Never Fades - a classic, general trailer
    EVE Online: Revelations - trailer for the first Revelations expansion, released last November
    EVE Online: Revelations 2 - trailer for the second Revelations expansion, released June 19th

    By the way: all footage is from the game client, with the exception of the obvious paintings in Eve Online Intro and Eve Never Dies. All models, all lighting, everything. All of those shots are 100% possible in-game. And will run on computers 4 years old.

    GOONSWARM VIDEOS
    Stahlregen (creator of these vids) is a pimp and his videos are awesome. Keep in mind that these were largely made as monthly recruiting videos, documenting Goonswarm's latest exploits -- you don't need to know all the entities mentioned, but it will give you an idea of how things can develop from month to month in the larger Alliance warfare picture.

    August
    September
    October
    November: Goonswarm allies with Red Alliance, invades Scalding Pass. Along with February and March, one of my favorite Eve videos.
    December
    January: ISS, a "neutral" corporation that built outposts by raising money through an Eve IPO, is demolished by Goonswarm and allies after showing aggression against IAC.
    February: Goonswarm and allies attack Lotka Volterra, their nearest enemy and long-time enemy of Red Alliance. Includes the destruction of LV's capital fleet (the largest such loss at a time) and the destruction of LV's Titan supercapital while in production (which several WANG members were present for, myself included). At this point, the galactic war has erupted, with nearly every alliance in the game taking a side: Band of Brothers, Mercenary Coalition & Lotka Volterra plus assorted allies vs. the Southeast (Goonswarm, Red Alliance, Tau Ceti Federation and others) and the North (Dusk and Dawn, IRON, Morsus Mihi, and others).
    March: Galaxy in Flames. Goonswarm and allies finish killing LV and consolidate their space, while setting their eyes on Band of Brothers.
    Eve Online Darwin Awards, or How Shrike Died: Goonswarm, RA and TCF kill a BoB Titan piloted by Shrike, an alt of Sir Molle (the leader of BoB).
    August - Awesome video.


    UNCUT TITAN VIDEOS
    This is the first Titan to be killed while the pilot was at the controls, rather than through creative exploitation of aggression and logoff mechanics as was the case in the two previous Titan kills. For reference, Titans take months to build (and the shipyards they are constructed in are a prime target, with two having already been destroyed while building), months to train for, and the minerals and high-quality modules they're fit with make them worth thousands of dollars. WANG member Hrin is the pilot who decloaked the Titan after Shrike had fired his Doomsday Device, which led to Goonswarm tackling him and Goonswarm + RA capitals taking him down. wang-patriot.gif

    Here's two videos of the Titan kill put up within hours of its death, with minimal editing. This will also give you a better idea of what the game usually looks like in fleet combat, with the UI on and settings adjusted for maximized for performance (in other words, less pretty).

    Red Alliance: Preved Shrike - shot by a RA dreadnought pilot, with awesome music by E-Nomine.
    Goonswarm - shot by a GS covert ops pilot, with Goonswarm Teamspeak as sound.

    SCREENSHOTS
    Click for huge.

    The WANG fleet in action:
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    The Titan kill:
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    Wait, I have a question!

    Here's a brief FAQ.

    If you've got newbie questions about skills, fittings, and all sorts of other things that take a bit of explaining, join the channels mentioned in the OP or check out MuddBudd's Newbie Thread.

    Those videos look awesome! Do you fly your ship with a joystick or what?
    Nope, sorry. Eve isn't a twitch game (although fast reflexes do sometimes come into play). You navigate through clicking in space or various buttons on the UI.

    So since you "level up" based on how long you've subscribed to the game rather than poopsocking to grind NPCs, a newbie's never going to be any good right? I shouldn't even bother!
    Not true at all. Winning a PVP fight in Eve is primarily about strategy -- choosing the right ship and modules for whatever the expected fight is in advance, closing range or keeping or opponent at a distance, maintaining a high transversal to avoid being shot, the ability to choose your spots rather than engage in a near unwinnable fight, etc. When you take part in gangs of 20, 50, or hundreds of other players, these tactics become increasingly complex -- and yet, you can fill a role as a tackler (locking down enemy ships from warping away) from day 1 with minimal instruction. EVERY SHIP COUNTS.

    Furthermore, skill levels have diminishing returns. If a basic skill gives you a 5% bonus to X attribute per level trained, then you can train it up to Level IV quite shortly (perhaps a day or two at the most), while training it to V might take 4 days (or much longer for advanced skills) -- but training it up that last level still only gives that elder player an additional 5% bonus. Factor in the immense number of areas to train in, and you can become a competent pilot relatively quickly if you specialize your training to get the maximum value out of it.

    So all I see in these videos are spaceships. Do you ever get to walk around or anything?
    Not as of yet -- right now, you ARE your spaceship. However, CCP has announced that characters will be able to walk in stations when docked in some future expansion (see the demo).

    Am I going to have to pay for these expansion packs? It sounds like there's been a lot of them.
    Nope -- CCP releases expansion packs for free, like any other patch. The game is also fairly cheap; after your 14 day free trial, you can activate the game for $20 which includes your first month of game time, with the standard $15 per month afterwards (less if you pay for multiple months in advance).

    So I'm ready to make my character. Got any tips?

    Yup. We're going to rip off the Goonswarm Wiki on this one, because their public character creation guides are fantastic.

    The primary thing to keep in mind is that you should toy around and read some of this content before committing to a character. It might be very beneficial to reroll your character after your two-week trial, once you have a better idea of what interests you in the game; on the other hand, rerolling your character after several months is a huge waste. So use your trial to test things out -- you've got three slots per account (can only train on one) so roll a few characters out, test the races, and read up. Once you're ready to commit to a character, choose your name and portrait carefully -- you'll be stuck with them for good.

    /!\ CHARACTER CREATION 101 INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO /!\

    Basic Character Creation Guide
    Recommended Base Stat Builds



    Next post: Comments from WANG members about Eve.

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    MadtownMadtown Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    If you're still not sure Eve's for you, or you just want some more stories from the WANG front, here's some comments from WANG members on the crazy shit you can do in Eve.

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    Hrin (hazywater on PA), our heroic Titan decloaker:
    46dp is a well known place to many of us. It is a crossroads, where Detorid meets Teneferis. One jump south from 46dp is 9-9, a station system held by BoB. North lies a wasteland until you reach KOS territory. East of 46dp is Detorid, specifically 77s. Goon territory. Bat country. 46dp is no man's land, a place of death and the supernatural -- ironically held by Red Alliance, currently.

    I was involved in a large fleet battle in 9-9 where I lost a battleship and cruiser for the glory of the Swarm. BoB won that battle with heavy losses, but it was a victory nonetheless. After the battle I was in 46dp with an interceptor -- a Claw to be precise. This particular Claw was named "Scromulan" in reference to WANG and Star Trek. I was 50 km off the gate with a group of frigates and cruisers holding there as both recon and skirmishers in preparation of another offensive. I was holding so far off the gate so I would have a perfect bead on any ships that came through and tried to cloak: to decloak them I needed to see them and align myself on them quickly. The gate flashes. Seeing this, I prime my MWD. Some cheap cruiser pops up 30 km away or so. I both scramble and ram him in an attempt to keep him from warping off.

    However, warping was not his intention.

    He pops a cyno shortly before vanishing in a cloud of debris. Shrike enters local. With a sigh, I align on some random planet. Shrike warps to a position 150km off the gate and Teamspeak goes apeshit. The majority of the gang jumps into 9-9, while I sit there watching the Titan. Streaks of white light clothe the Avatar now, pulsing and expanding. I warp off, not wishing to enjoy Shrike's hospitality. His offering fills the starfield behind me with a great white light. Making a U-turn at the planet, I warp back to the gate to find the wrecks of idiots scattered about. [Fleet Commander] Sesfan gives the order: "Shrike cloaked, find him." Easy words, but while a titan is large, space is much larger. As I MWD to where I think he was, a name pops on up on my overview. At first I think it's a BoB gang jumping in and I'm way out of position.

    But no, it was Shrike and he's WAY TOO GOD DAMN CLOSE TO ME.

    His Avatar appears next to me, his cloak rendered useless by my presence. Frantically, I make shot upon him while I burn off, not wishing to get smartbombed. Teamspeak goes to shit again. Seconds later interdictors surround the Avatar, dropping warp interdiction spheres. Local jumps as the fleet stationed in 77s joins us. BoB ships in 9-9 scramble to get to 46dp and get those interdictors off of Shrike, including motherships. The battle is massive. Every Goon and Goon ally who can be there is there, in whatever flies. Massive beams rip into Shrike's Avatar from dreadnaughts. Explosions ripple across the ship, from both missiles and friendly pilots who give their ships to Shrike in an attempt to block his path. Interceptors dogfight between the gate and Shrike, trying to destroy and protect the interdictors, respectively. The Goon support fleet forms a gauntlet between the gate and Shrike, daring any BoB ships to run it. BoB does run it and miniature battles rage with the titan as their backdrop, their prize.

    To a thunderous cacophony, the battle ends. A once proud and majestic buttplug is rendered salvageable; its pilot killed and the corpse taken as a trophy.


    Zoe Sedai (OptimusWang on PA) on small gang warfare:
    Huge fleets aren't for everybody, and they certainly aren't for me. Between the lag, the boredom, and the chances of getting hit with a Doomsday weapon, I was finally pushed to find a better form of PvP. What I found was small-gang raiding.

    Don't let the term fool you, this has no resemblance to a raid in WoW. There is nothing like jumping into a system with 100+ hostile ships, making a few lightning strikes to take out the soft targets, then burning halfway across the region with a few dozen pissed off pilots right on your tail. Where fleets are full of tediousness and boredom, good small-gang fights are a spike of adrenaline to the heart.

    When I flew with Anarchy Empire, we specialized in taking out superior numbers with a combination of strategy, teamwork, and coordination. Laying waste to the opposing groups, often with 2-to-1 or 3-to-1 odds when we flew as an alliance was the norm, usually doing so in the enemy's backyard. When flying with just a friend or two, we were constantly chipping away at their industrial backbone until their production ground to a halt. You could literally watch the same pilot come out once in a battleship, the next time in a battle cruiser, and every time after that in a cruiser or frig. At the end of our campaign against SMASH/Roadkill, they were down to 4 combat corps (we were originally outnumbered 4-to-1) and zero production corps. Zero.

    It's a David and Goliath fight, and damn does it feel good to knock the big guy down. Now go x up to shoot some people.


    Trevor Reznik (StormyWaters on PA) on working with Goonswarm on the front lines:
    I decided to play EVE after finding out about Merch Industrial and their relation to Goonswarm. I've played other MMOs in the past and done small gang/solo PKing, but I was very interested in actual territory holding that EVE offered, aka PvP with a purpose. Thus, I joined up, and have tried to PvP every day I'm online. You can see how successful I am by being far and away the #1 loser in Merch, with 81 deaths in 164 days played (.49 deaths/day).

    But in between dying, I've been having a lot of fun and helping to accomplish goals. I've aided in establishing forward bases in enemy systems, forcing them to fall back and defend what they thought was safe. I've been in small gangs of 5, trying to pick off solo targets, and in fleets of over 200, killing a Titan, blowing up a freighter full of goods, or destroying enemy capital ships that were sieging systems. Not every fight has been won, but enough have.

    Most importantly, we're on the underdog's side in this fight. When I first started playing, I was very worried that I was on the winning side, which at the time was in the process of steamrolling everything in its path. Two of the five largest alliances had been killed by the Goons in the time just before & after I joined, and I was worried another would quickly fall. Thankfully, that didn't happen, and BoB has proven to be a strong enough enemy to take systems from us. However, that's changing, and by our efforts we have the ability to forever alter the landscape of EVE. Merch pilots make up between 10 and 20 percent of many of the fleets, and our participation does matter, even if we're relative newbies to the game like me.


    Angelus Damelon (Madtown on PA, that's me) on Black Ops work in hostile territory:
    I'm relatively new to working with force recons, but I can already say it is my favorite style of PVP that I've experienced in Eve. While suicide gangs of frigates are a blast, and massive fleet ops are epic when lag subsides, Black Ops work is perfect for those who enjoy working in small gangs -- pop in like a ninja, wreck some poor miner's day, and then disappear again.

    The main goal of black ops work is to grief enemies in their homes, preventing their logistics and their moneymakers from earning money and moving materials that keep the rent paid and the lights on. You spend most of your time cloaked, lying in wait to catch a stray pilot -- and when the right situation hits, you decloak, shut down his weapons, lock him down, and plink away. By the time support can arrive, he's already dead and you've warped off to safety. Even if you're not actively doing anything, your mere presence in a system can lock it down as pilots are afraid to venture out of the station.

    What makes black ops work so exciting is the strategy involved. You're flying around in an essentially untanked, expensive-as-fuck cruiser, which means one screwup and your ship is going to melt. This means you pick your targets carefully, always cautious of potential traps. It means knowing when to abandon a potential kill, and when you can kill that bait ship before his support can arrive.


    Tasshik Soma (strangemusic on PA) on skill and role specialization:
    The idea of hooking up with WANG was what rekindled my interest in EVE after a completely shitty time in the Trial Account noobcorp. I've been active for five months, and in those months the main benefit to hanging out with MerchI and the Goons has been the establishment of goals and a sense that my actions aren't just a grind to get some cool-looking gear. I'd be aimlessly acquiring money for no reason if not for the progression of the Goonfleet/BoB conflict. There is a huge demand for tactically important ships like Interdictors, Covert Ops and the like: because of this demand, the training time invested in those ships doesn't seem pointless, and this makes the game infinitely more fun. For example, I hope to be flying with a small, dedicated Bomber group in a few weeks and am training for that specific role.

    In my opinion, WANG has a unique position in the whole Goonswarm structure: we can hop down to Teneferis to knock heads with rapacious BoB gangs and blow up their astronomically expensive Titan, then kick back and make some money and do other stuff whenever we feel like it. Again, this keeps the game from being boring or frustrating, and you can specialize in what you find interesting.


    Niobe Turantulov (Blutraserei on PA) on... shooting bitches, I guess:
    I signed up for Eve's 14 day trial back in February. I fiddled around with it and was fairly entertained. Once SpaceDrake (Riese Blecja) and I started talking, I moved promptly out to Hoshoun and he took me on a ratting run the next day -- where I ratted with him and he got me killed by a Nosdomi. Within that same week I was ratting in a Vexor with decent efficiency and mining at my own leisure. I'm pretty sure I broke my first 10-20mil ISK within that week. The WANG is an awesome fleet to fly with, and even if you aren't flying with them the corp chat is enough if you socialize well. I have yet to get my first 1v1 killmail, but I'm well on my way as I am currently flying a Tier 2 tank fit Myrmidon (ololrapestick).

    The game is versatile as hell, and joining a good corp is a very good idea. If you don't, chances are you will become a pubbie. Do not do this. Pubbies are fags and are shot on sight. The learning curve is steep. Chances are you and that shitty bicycle you rode in on will hit that mailbox at the bottom of the hill. But stick with it. The feeling of shooting and blowing shit up in PvP is fun as hell, and when you get to the point where you can shrug off a ship loss and then unwrap your other six pack of Battlecruisers and go right back to pushing someone's face in is when you and the game will harmonize.

    This game is not for faggots. This is PvP on the largest scale. This is a man's game. This is Eve.


    Gihgehls (Gihgehls on PA) on being a chill WANG:
    I've been in WANG for about 9 months, and I played Eve solo for about a year before that. I don't have too much time to play, but that works out okay for me because of a few things. First, the real-time skill training system means I make progress while I'm not online. Second, WANG is a great alliance with no playtime requirements. We are large enough that there is always something going on, yet small enough to still feel like a family. If I just want to jump on for a few minutes and kill a few NPCs, I can do that. If I want to stay on all weekend and take part of glorious operations with dozens of friendly ships, I can do that too.

    Maimonides Einotar (scrivenerjones on PA) on Slashfic:
    Smirking, Wilson folded his arms and peered over the door, a welcome rush of cool air bathing the warm skin on his face. House, clad in a dark pair of boxer-briefs, sat propped against the open fridge. House’s body glistened with a thin sheen of sweat. Transparent ribbons trailed down the side of House’s face, coating the tips of House’s hair near the temples. Wilson wet his lips.

    “What happened to the air conditioning?” Wilson laid his arms across the top of the door.

    House lifted his face to deliver a glare. “It broke.”

    Wilson shimmied into the kitchen, sliding past the refrigerator door. “Is somebody going to fix it?”

    House shuffled along the floor, reaching behind him to extract a small jar of pickles. His eyes closed as he raised the jar to his forehead. “Some guy said he’ll be here in the morning.”

    “Wouldn’t a piece of fruit or—” Wilson paused, stooping over House to reach into the fridge. “—a cucumber be a little easier on you?” He waved the vegetable in front of House’s face.

    A grin tugged at House’s lips. “Could you pick a more phallic vegetable? I think there might be some carrots in the bottom drawer.”

    Wilson tossed the cucumber onto its shelf. “Says the man holding a whole jar of phallic vegetables.”

    House wriggled his eyebrows, sliding the jar across his forehead. He snaked his tongue across the lid.



    Finally, a quick summation of the major events that have occurred since the start of the last thread.

    - Red Alliance, Against All Authorities, and Mercenary Coalition have all unveiled new Titans.
    - Mercenary Coalition and ISS lost Motherships assisting FIX in the war against IAC/AAA in Querious.
    - Triumvirate, Razor, and Morsus Mihi killed a Sparta Alliance Mothership building in the north, leading Sparta and their ally Storm Armada to dissolve and hand their territory to Fallen Souls.
    - RedSwarmFederation (the red blob in the south, which includes us) has cleansed all BoB POSes from Tenerifis, has claimed a solid grip on stations in Omist with the exception of one, and has started advancing the fight into Feythabolis, slowly grinding forward.

    Madtown on
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    ze swift classze swift class Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hi guys.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    ... fuck me, I don't have time for this AND WoW, AND Bioshock, but you make it sound so good!

    Forar on
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    KarrilDaltayaKarrilDaltaya Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    EvE + MerchI = Greatest thing since sliced bread.

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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    So last night we defended 3 POSes, stole another, and blew up another. :)

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    OptimusWangOptimusWang Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Oh god, change the red type to lime or something - ze goggles, zey do nothing to save my eyes D:

    Also, sup hombres.

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    Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Shit that is a nice OP, much better than previous iterations i think

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    WrenWren ninja_bird Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    so what kind of salvage does one get from a titan?

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    ScreamlineScreamline Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Wren wrote: »
    so what kind of salvage does one get from a titan?

    Several hundred Rifters.

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    WrenWren ninja_bird Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    niiiiice

    I hope there'd be some minmatar shuttles in there too though

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    ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I have several battleships that I am prepared to sacrifice for the cause. I just have to activate my account again. However, I'm currently busy with City of heroes. Once I get tired of that though, it will be internet spaceship time again.

    <3<3

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    claxtonclaxton ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Haha, did one of our members just get banned?

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    Ti NsiTi Nsi Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    top floor. can I join your guild?

    well, back to station spinning

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Now that's an op. Nice jorb.

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    OptimusWangOptimusWang Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Ironically, the best thread on Goonfleet is in the public forum right now, take a look:
    http://goonfleet.com/showthread.php?t=65359

    (hint: frank frank has a newbie believing he's The Mittani)

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    coffeetablecoffeetable Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
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    precisionkprecisionk Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I just recently joined Goonswarm. They are an awesome bunch. The wiki is phenominal.

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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    claxton wrote: »
    Haha, did one of our members just get banned?

    ?

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    MordarionMordarion Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    So guys, looks like I'll be docking at Mista in a few minutes here




    I just lost my destroyer and I need friends :\

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    God damnit. I need like, 100m more so I can buy my carrier hull and be less of a tremendous spacejew for a while.

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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Heheheh rise is delusional. They think goons all called in sick for the week to kill them (not kidding).

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Technically I didn't go to work today. However I'm going tomorrow overtime, or possibly in this evening late. But that's because work is actually me being at uni, and my hours are flexible like that. Also I'm not playing EVE.

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    VhalyarVhalyar Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Waiting for my next paycheck to buy a time card :(
    Until then I'm mucking about with free trials. Amarr ships are sexy.

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    JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    God damnit. I need like, 100m more so I can buy my carrier hull and be less of a tremendous spacejew for a while.

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    cordlessmodemcordlessmodem Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    So I'm getting my ass pounded (in the bad way) in my Thorax and I'm not sure how to fit it. I know it's just a cruiser but I don't expect to get eaten alive all the time anyway. Here's my fitting:
    Highs: 5x Heavy Electron Blaster I
    Meds: AB, Webby, Target Painter (I want a targeting computer but I lack gunnery V so far)
    Lows: 2x Med Reppers, 2x DPS mods, 1x 200 mm Armor plate

    My gunnery skills are only decent (.6 mil, most support to level 3) and this is my first armor tank ship so I know those suck too. What do I need to train there? Just armor resists up to four all around? Fit an Adaptive energized plating or two?
    Also is it me or do Gallente ships have shitty cap?


    Edit: Newbie questions are for the newbie thread apparently, EQduffy answered my question there several minutes before I posted this tripe.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Dont worry about it.

    I will have you know that that fitting is not utterly terrible. The target painter/Targeting computer is pretty noobish. But the rest of it is pretty darn good compared to what you will come accross. Too many reps and plates, but still

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    gilraingilrain Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Dont worry about it.

    I will have you know that that fitting is not utterly terrible. The target painter/Targeting computer is pretty noobish. But the rest of it is pretty darn good compared to what you will come accross. Too many reps and plates, but still
    This is the most positive post by goum' ever. I'm in shock.

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    cordlessmodemcordlessmodem Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    gilrain wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Dont worry about it.

    I will have you know that that fitting is not utterly terrible. The target painter/Targeting computer is pretty noobish. But the rest of it is pretty darn good compared to what you will come accross. Too many reps and plates, but still
    This is the most positive post by goum' ever. I'm in shock.

    He's very cleverly pitying my being unsure so he can set me up for a massive attack, wherein he insults my newbishness so hard my entire family becomes depressed.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    gilrain wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Dont worry about it.

    I will have you know that that fitting is not utterly terrible. The target painter/Targeting computer is pretty noobish. But the rest of it is pretty darn good compared to what you will come accross. Too many reps and plates, but still
    This is the most positive post by goum' ever. I'm in shock.

    He's very cleverly pitying my being unsure so he can set me up for a massive attack, wherein he insults my newbishness so hard my entire family becomes depressed.


    No, really until you see people with short range and long range guns on their ships. Let alone short range and long range guns of different sizes of different weapon categories[not including launchers] you will understand just how good that fitting is for a noob.

    The correct answer for missions is

    5x rails or blasters
    ab, web, cap recharger
    mar, spec hard, spec hard, spec hard, spec hard

    Swap hardeners for CPRs/damage mods as necessary but seriously, it could be a lot worse.

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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Holy fucking patch notes. Dictors bubbles stopping warp if it's been initiated, can't cyno into POSes anymore.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I love this thread. I like to think I'm really getting the hang of MMO's, starting with CoH and moving into WoW, and then I drift in here and I have NO idea what's going on, but it all sounds awesome.

    Forar on
    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    also fuck you bob no more invulnerable jumpbridges

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    gilraingilrain Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Forar wrote: »
    I love this thread. I like to think I'm really getting the hang of MMO's, starting with CoH and moving into WoW, and then I drift in here and I have NO idea what's going on, but it all sounds awesome.
    CoH and WoW are two of the most streamlined, depthless MMOs out there, dude. They're good games, but not really indicative of the complex potential of the genre. Join us. It is your destiny.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    gilrain wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    I love this thread. I like to think I'm really getting the hang of MMO's, starting with CoH and moving into WoW, and then I drift in here and I have NO idea what's going on, but it all sounds awesome.
    CoH and WoW are two of the most streamlined, depthless MMOs out there, dude. They're good games, but not really indicative of the complex potential of the genre. Join us. It is your destiny.

    Ooooh no. I'm being drawn in by the sirens song of Bioshock as it is, and I really want to get a month on my CoH account, if just to roam around and mess with costumes on non-raid nights. EVE would probably consume my soul.

    That said, this one server thing with the giant territory battles sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.

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    gilraingilrain Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Forar wrote: »
    gilrain wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    I love this thread. I like to think I'm really getting the hang of MMO's, starting with CoH and moving into WoW, and then I drift in here and I have NO idea what's going on, but it all sounds awesome.
    CoH and WoW are two of the most streamlined, depthless MMOs out there, dude. They're good games, but not really indicative of the complex potential of the genre. Join us. It is your destiny.

    Ooooh no. I'm being drawn in by the sirens song of Bioshock as it is, and I really want to get a month on my CoH account, if just to roam around and mess with costumes on non-raid nights. EVE would probably consume my soul.

    That said, this one server thing with the giant territory battles sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.
    Search your feelings. You know this to be true. ;-)

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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Yeah, it's one of the few games where I'm at work, on jabber, yelling about stuff that needs to be checked on so we can crush imaginary space thingies into nothingness. Persistence in a game is awesome-go on vacation for a week, come back, and a 1500 man alliance has collapsed.

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    Mickey EyeMickey Eye Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    This thread is good, that is of course until I link this video. At which point this thread becomes awesome. French jokes aside, TCF are pretty damn good and it's always a pleasure being on the same grid as them. This is video also shows the most worthwhile of the next to useless Assault Ship class "Jaguar" doing heavy tackling and doing it really well.


    [edit]I can't possibly emphasise how good this video is at showing EvE combat at it's best. Watch it. Now.

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    cordlessmodemcordlessmodem Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Goumindong wrote: »
    *cut*

    5x rails or blasters
    ab, web, cap recharger
    mar, spec hard, spec hard, spec hard, spec hard

    Swap hardeners for CPRs/damage mods as necessary but seriously, it could be a lot worse.


    Sweet, I will try that out.
    I always assumed that if you were going to use a weapon you used a damage mod too, guess it makes more sense to stay alive.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Yeah, this upcoming patch is chock full of changes. I'm pretty surprised about the khanid ship changes, but overall most of the balance changes seem positive. I was happy to see they've gone through and added neutralizer bonuses to the nos bonus ships as well. Also the fabled ORE Capital ship...which I hope they have new hull design for.

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