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Save the world, chop down a tree.

badfishbadfish Registered User regular
edited August 2007 in Social Entropy++
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/editorial/story.html?id=67623834-a1af-42e4-91cb-28492a462651

It's a long article, written by Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Green Peace. He's actually pissed about DiCaprio's new environmental film, stating that they got it wrong. I'll highlight the yummy part.
As a lifelong environmentalist, I say trees can solve many of the world's sustainability challenges. Forestry is the most sustainable of all the primary industries that provide us with energy and materials. Rather than cutting fewer trees and using less wood, DiCaprio and Berman ought to promote the growth of more trees and the use of more wood.

I'd never really thought of that view before. Younger, growing trees process more CO2 than a large fully established tree. So a young forest is actually better than an ancient forest in cleaning the air for us...

So long Redwood National Forest! :twisted:

Hell, maybe I'm out of the loop and everyone knew this already. I never had any hippies teaching me shit like this in school though.

"What you had there is what we refer to as a focused non-terminal repeating phantasm or a Class 5 full-roaming vapor."
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    redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I've got some wood you can use.

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    AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    keep the cool trees, fuck the rest, plant more, yey

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    redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Dumb Hero wrote: »
    :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:


    Why 11? That's a crappy number. I mean, I know it's prime, but that doesn't make it good.

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    AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    man what

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I saw a tree once.

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    SilmarilSilmaril Mr Ha Ha Hapless. Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    I saw a tree once.

    goddamn liar

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Silmaril wrote: »
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    I saw a tree once.

    goddamn liar

    Hey now.

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    RehabRehab Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Even the trees walked in that fuckin' movie.

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    badfishbadfish Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    pffft.. well "I" thought it was interesting.

    damnit.

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    "What you had there is what we refer to as a focused non-terminal repeating phantasm or a Class 5 full-roaming vapor."
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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    we talkin' about boners?

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    CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Soon enough, I'd imagine

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I had a raging boner last night.

    I took care of it, though.

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    RehabRehab Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Kill more people, cut down on overpopulation.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    my skin smells like burning

    stupid sun

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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Trees are for gays anyways.

    like, i hear they grow on them. is this true?

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I mean though

    doesn't an old-growth forest have more mosses and lichens and stuff

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I got a bad sun burn on my face when I was in middle school.

    I was sitting out in the sun all day during Track and Field Day and didn't think to put on sun block or anything.

    When I got home I fell asleep, and woke up a few hours later in agony.

    For the next week or so my face was dripping puss and scabbing over.

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    CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    haha fag

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    yeah I dislike sunblock but I'm a stupid white bastard so I get burned every once ina while

    I don't like gooey stuff on my skin, I suppose

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Fucking Apollo, man.

    He was envious of my beauty and tried to burn it off.

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    HorseshoeHorseshoe Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Patrick Moore is pretty right on... some of the articles on his website are very good.

    (his appearance on Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" show was good too)

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Juniper trees are like devil trees. I'm all for saving the trees, but somebody's got to do something about those things.

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    NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Raneados wrote: »
    yeah I dislike sunblock but I'm a stupid white bastard so I get burned every once ina while

    I don't like gooey stuff on my skin, I suppose

    well you are going to have to learn to like it if you want to get with me

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    HorseshoeHorseshoe Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Juniper trees are like devil trees. I'm all for saving the trees, but somebody's got to do something about those things.

    The expansion of Juniper in the arid and semiarid west is a major, major problem for sagebrush-steppe habitats. And it's damn hard to get done considering the cost, unless you have a cogeneration power plant nearby.

    With some infrastructure improvements a huge portion of northeastern california and southeastern oregon could be almost entirely powered by wood.

    hehe... wood.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    my brain actually hurts now

    did you make up some of those words?

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    HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Yeah, but old forests house creatures. Sure you can chop down an old growth forest for lumber and plant a new one at another site to make a mass balance, but unless you rent uhauls for the critters a bear will still want to rape your ass for removing his home.

    Why can't environmentalists talk to one another and get a straight story.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    because science isn't an exact science

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    lostwordslostwords Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Cutting down forests should be dependant on how many cute, cuddly animals call it home. If a forest is full of nothing but scary bears and bees and other ugly animals, it has to go. Rabbit and deer-filled forests can stay.

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I really wish people in general knew the difference between a hypothesis and a theory

    yes yes evolution is a theory but so is us rotating around the sun

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    lostwords wrote: »
    Cutting down forests should be dependant on how many cute, cuddly animals call it home. If a forest is full of nothing but scary bears and bees and other ugly animals, it has to go. Rabbit and deer-filled forests can stay.

    deer are stupid

    bears are better

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    lostwordslostwords Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Bears do nothing but sit on their ass and eat fish and honey all day

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    HorseshoeHorseshoe Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hunter wrote: »
    Yeah, but old forests house creatures. Sure you can chop down an old growth forest for lumber and plant a new one at another site to make a mass balance, but unless you rent uhauls for the critters a bear will still want to rape your ass for removing his home.

    Why can't environmentalists talk to one another and get a straight story.

    Forests are mosaics, not static stands of old growth. (There are plenty of animals that use new growth stands as well).

    Historically, fires would rage across the landscape, and there would be a good mix of tree age classes out there.

    Now, we've been suppressing fire for over a hundred years... in the US our national forests are firetraps that burn at very high intensity due to the amount of fuel that's packed into them, and a huge amount of habitat is destroyed.

    Proper timber management that maintains age class diversity and lowers fuel loading is a great solution... but sadly any time the U.S. Forest Service tries to do anything, they get sued.

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    HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Skull Man wrote: »
    I really wish people in general knew the difference between a hypothesis and a theory

    yes yes evolution is a theory but so is us rotating around the sun

    I always challenge those "evolution is only a theory" people with the grand theory of gravity. I suggest they jump off a tall structure, because who knows, it may really be bullshit.

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I hate it when people explain how the world worked much better before humans got involved


    the planet is for us

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    is it?

    says who?

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    says the only animals who can talk

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    tuggatugga Makin' movies Makin' songsRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Patrick Moore plays the xylophone

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    mcpmcp Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Lots of animals can talk, you just can't understand what they're saying.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Skull Man wrote: »
    says the only animals who can talk

    only animals that can talk human

    other animals talk

    even parrots can "talk"

    you need to define your claims, sir

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