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Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
edited September 2007 in Games and Technology
It's no secret that games can allow the player to do some pretty deplorable things (as far as society is concerned). Beat a hooker to death with a bat, execute your teammates in point blank range, steal from people's houses, etc.

But has there ever been a situation where you personally didn't have the stomach to go through with the act? I remember reading how a few people didn't have the stomach to initiate the curb stomp to their opponent in Gears of War, mostly since it reminds them of the inspired scene from American History X. I personally, have no problem performing said stomping, since A) it's not like there's a non-messy way to finish off your opponent, and B) knowing that the person your're curb stomping is some 13 year old asshole you laughs at your noobiness only makes me wish I could stomp them repeatedly. While mounting their head on my bayonet.

But in my case, one act I can never bring myself to commiting is the option to shoot the trapped dog in the beginning of Resident Evil 4. I've been tempted a couple of times to pull the trigger and see what happens, but merely aiming at the poor pup makes my stomach turn. Blame my avid love for dogs.

Also, though far less deplorable, I tend to not be a dick to my fellow party members in RPGs, even if the story isn't affected no matter what choice you make.

So how about you? Ever had moral issues with what you could do in a certain game?

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    WreckTechWreckTech Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    They're zombie dogs.

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    GraviijaGraviija Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Tales of Symphonia spoilers:
    I have never been able to take the route where you end up killing Zelos. Ever. I've played through the game probably 5 or 6 times, but I just can't do it.

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    agoajagoaj Top Tier One FearRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oh come on, everyone shot at the Duck Hunt dog.

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    RandomVinceRandomVince Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Two games have done that to me.

    1. Metal Gear Solid 3. You should know where if you've played it, you should buy it if you don't.

    2. Prey. Same as above.

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    Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    no its a dog stuck in a bear trap right at the beginning of the game

    the zombie dogs show up later, and i have no problem blasting them with extreme prejudice

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    KlykaKlyka DO you have any SPARE BATTERIES?Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I can't hurt animals in any video game if they are portrayed in a normal matter and are not attacking me.

    I can however mutilate any human being, no matter if adult or child in any given way without thinking twice.

    I know that this goes for many people.

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    WreckTechWreckTech Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    no its a dog stuck in a bear trap right at the beginning of the game

    the zombie dogs show up later, and i have no problem blasting them with extreme prejudice
    Shit, my reading skillz suck.
    I hate to ask a obvious question but, you do know you can free the dog, right?

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    ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    It's no secret that games can allow the player to do some pretty deplorable things (as far as society is concerned). Beat a hooker to death with a bat, execute your teammates in point blank range, steal from people's houses, etc.

    But has there ever been a situation where you personally didn't have the stomach to go through with the act? I remember reading how a few people didn't have the stomach to initiate the curb stomp to their opponent in Gears of War, mostly since it reminds them of the inspired scene from American History X. I personally, have no problem performing said stomping, since A) it's not like there's a non-messy way to finish off your opponent, and B) knowing that the person your're curb stomping is some 13 year old asshole you laughs at your noobiness only makes me wish I could stomp them repeatedly. While mounting their head on my bayonet.

    But in my case, one act I can never bring myself to commiting is the option to shoot the trapped dog in the beginning of Resident Evil 4. I've been tempted a couple of times to pull the trigger and see what happens, but merely aiming at the poor pup makes my stomach turn. Blame my avid love for dogs.

    Also, though far less deplorable, I tend to not be a dick to my fellow party members in RPGs, even if the story isn't affected no matter what choice you make.

    So how about you? Ever had moral issues with what you could do in a certain game?

    Shooting the dog is just a bad move strategically. If you go help him out of the trap, he helps you out later in the game.

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    CraigopogoCraigopogo Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I can't play KOTOR Dark Side. I just can't be that much of a jerk.

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    WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    After killing the first Little Sister in BioShock, I restarted so I could save her. That scream of 'No! No, NO!' just curdles my insides.

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    ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    agoaj wrote: »
    Oh come on, everyone shot at the Duck Hunt dog.

    Because he laughs at you.

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    Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Klyka wrote: »
    I can't hurt animals in any video game if they are portrayed in a normal matter and are not attacking me.

    I can however mutilate any human being, no matter if adult or child in any given way without thinking twice.

    I know that this goes for many people.

    so you never whacked the chickens in zelda huh

    i dont believe you.

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    GilderGilder Aw snap Macaroni PartyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Graviija wrote: »
    Tales of Symphonia spoilers:
    I have never been able to take the route where you end up killing Zelos. Ever. I've played through the game probably 5 or 6 times, but I just can't do it.

    I did it once. Never again. I did everything I needed on that one playthrough. I have no more titles to gain from it. Only heartbreak.

    As for me, I can't kill anyone in an MGS game as long as I can prevent it. I always knock them out or put them to sleep. I have no problem killing soldiers/bosses in other games though. Just MGS.

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I'll bet even the most hardcore motherfuckers who brag about committing genocide in game universes take the extra time to save the little birdies in Super Metroid.

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    TDLTDL ClubPA, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Craigopogo wrote: »
    I can't play KOTOR Dark Side. I just can't be that much of a jerk.

    Playing Dark Side in KoTOR just makes you a spoiled bitch, really. I was disappointed.

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    Robo BeatRobo Beat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I read the thread title and was expecting to read something about a National Lampoon game.

    I was disappointed.

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I always go BITE DA CURB ***** in Gears of War. <3

    And I don't mean it in a disrespectful way. It's a term for an ignorant motherfucker. Anybody of any alien race can be an ignorant motherfucker.

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    UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    Klyka wrote: »
    I can't hurt animals in any video game if they are portrayed in a normal matter and are not attacking me.

    I can however mutilate any human being, no matter if adult or child in any given way without thinking twice.

    I know that this goes for many people.

    so you never whacked the chickens in zelda huh

    i dont believe you.

    Considering the difficulty level of most Zeldas that even let you do that, it's probably the easiest and perhaps only way to put your life in serious danger.

    That said, I make a point to beat the shit out of the chickens at least once in every Zelda.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    uh wow ok....



    also, little sisters

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    TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Gilder wrote: »

    I did it once. Never again. I did everything I needed on that one playthrough. I have no more titles to gain from it. Only heartbreak.

    As for me, I can't kill anyone in an MGS game as long as I can prevent it. I always knock them out or put them to sleep. I have no problem killing soldiers/bosses in other games though. Just MGS.

    Yeah man i get that too...

    Currently playing through MGS3 again (just beat The Fury last night) and I've probably only killed 1 or 2 minions that i havent needed to throughout the entire game so far.

    They're just doing their job, they probably have families :(

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    Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    WreckTech wrote: »
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    no its a dog stuck in a bear trap right at the beginning of the game

    the zombie dogs show up later, and i have no problem blasting them with extreme prejudice
    Shit, my reading skillz suck.
    I hate to ask a obvious question but, you do know you can free the dog, right?

    Yes, and I do so everytime I restart the game. I've never shot the dog, and I probably never will. Someone probably posted a youtube clip about it, so if I'm curious what the death animation looks like, I'll go there.
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    Klyka wrote: »
    I can't hurt animals in any video game if they are portrayed in a normal matter and are not attacking me.

    I can however mutilate any human being, no matter if adult or child in any given way without thinking twice.

    I know that this goes for many people.

    so you never whacked the chickens in zelda huh

    i dont believe you.

    They never die.

    Hence why I also feel bad about slaughtering the chickens and sheep that you plant from seeds in Odin Sphere.

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    NarketNarket __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    TeeMan wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »

    I did it once. Never again. I did everything I needed on that one playthrough. I have no more titles to gain from it. Only heartbreak.

    As for me, I can't kill anyone in an MGS game as long as I can prevent it. I always knock them out or put them to sleep. I have no problem killing soldiers/bosses in other games though. Just MGS.

    Yeah man i get that too...

    Currently playing through MGS3 again (just beat The Fury last night) and I've probably only killed 1 or 2 minions that i havent needed to throughout the entire game so far.

    They're just doing their job, they probably have families :(

    watch CLERKS. they know the risk when they take the job!

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    KungFuKungFu Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Man, when I read the thread title on the index I nearly shot my drink everywhere thinking there was going to be some ridiculous game coming up with said screenshot.


    However on topic, I hate playing an absolutely evil role in games such as doing dirty work like killing innocent people in horrible ways. I have absolutely no problem playing graphic or violent video games, I just like there to be a good reason behind why I am doing these things.

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    slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    There was that time in Metal Combat where you could shoot the girl to reveal the weak spot on the evil boss.

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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    KungFu wrote: »
    Man, when I read the thread title on the index I nearly shot my drink everywhere thinking there was going to be some ridiculous game coming up with said screenshot.


    However on topic, I hate playing an absolutely evil role in games such as doing dirty work like killing innocent people in horrible ways. I have absolutely no problem playing graphic or violent video games, I just like there to be a good reason behind why I am doing these things.

    Yeah. I can do it, I just don't really like killing innocent people, or good people. Killing anyone who's evil or too generic, sure, ok, but not a good guy.

    The only exception being GTA. In these games, I do whatever the fuck I want without worrying about the consequences.

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    LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Cantido wrote: »
    I always go BITE DA CURB ***** in Gears of War. <3

    And I don't mean it in a disrespectful way. It's a term for an ignorant motherfucker. Anybody of any alien race can be an ignorant motherfucker.

    Seems like the only ignorant motherfucker is you.

    Anyway.

    There are two sides to this thing which some people have already come up against.

    1. Things that are actually morally reprehensible.
    2. Things that are caricatures of evil.

    Shooting the dog is morally reprehensible. Playing the Dark Side in KOTOR is a caricature, it's fun evil, it's evil genius MUHAHAHA evil. I can't play Dark Side in KOTOR because I like people in games to tell me how great I am, not how I'm a big jerk.

    Shadows of the Colossus is the only game that has truly elicited any form of guilt in my actions. Bioshock didn't get there for reasons I've illustrated in that thread. I can see why people have an issue with Gears of War alluding to one of the most horrific scenes in modern cinema, but again the game is pretty much a caricature as you chainsaw some dude in half and have Marcus say something like "You got blood on my clothes" or something.

    I think it's important that we allow both kinds to exist, and with time, gamers will better separate the two. Right now, too many people think of games as something to be enjoyed rather than to illicit an emotional response that can be positive or negative.

    But no, I can't shoot the dog either.

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    LookFreeGrenadeLookFreeGrenade Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Each time I watch Band of Brothers, I always then find it harder to play Call of Duty. Sure, they're trying to kill me, but what about the German teen name Hans that just wants to help his country? I have no hesitation in killing Germans in Russia, Africa, and France, but when I cross the rhine, I can't seem to look those desperate germans in the eyes.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Klyka wrote: »
    I can't hurt animals in any video game if they are portrayed in a normal matter and are not attacking me.

    I can however mutilate any human being, no matter if adult or child in any given way without thinking twice.

    I know that this goes for many people.

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    HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    TDL wrote: »
    Craigopogo wrote: »
    I can't play KOTOR Dark Side. I just can't be that much of a jerk.

    Playing Dark Side in KoTOR just makes you a spoiled bitch, really. I was disappointed.
    And in KoTOR II, playing the Dark Side actually winds up being more satisfying. Or at least it was to me. Damn that Kreia, she used her Jedi Witch powers on my philosophy.

    Now Jade Empire... there were certain portions of the Way of the Closed Fist that got kind of unsettling.

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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The animal thing makes me laugh. I can torture any animal in videogames no problem. Dare I say it's even really fun? Of course, I wouldn't do it in real life.

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    UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Most games don't really give you the option to be subtly evil. KOTOR, for example, basically had you choosing between giving all your money to homeless people, doing nothing, or killing them, taking their money, and then using that money to filling their body parts with thermal detonators and mailing it to orphans. Basically, your options are so ridiculously extreme that I'm surprised that 100% Dark Side alignment didn't make you grow a curly mustache and wear a top hat and cape.

    You shouldn't feel bad about being a dick in games, because most game designers don't really bother to make your choices have much believable moral gravitas to begin with.

    /hasn't played Bioshock

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I've tried most evil options but I find the games lose their immersive quality when I do because I'm reminding myself "it's just a game" when I try these things.

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Strangely enough, the Dark Brotherhood questline in Oblivion made killing feel so... nonchalant.

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    Tails CorraTails Corra Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I've been looking forward to getting Bioshock, but when the time comes, I doubt I'll have the guts to Harvest the little sisters.

    But I guess I should top this one off though with something particularly... erm... silly...

    I kind of resisted Katamari at first because you could fuse people to the ball. I mean... do you think they live on the star you make, or become a part of it?

    And yeah in MGS I always tried to minimize my kills, particularly in 3. I also hesitated in the momment inferred above.
    I think that the game forced you to pull the trigger was brilliant in it's own way though

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    NarketNarket __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Any game that gives me the option of good or evil, i always go good. but when i finish, i have to go back and play through evil, just to see how much difference there is in the game.

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    IShallRiseAgainIShallRiseAgain Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I don't kill anyone in splinter cell. Of course, I like throwing their unconscious bodies from a height and pile them on top of each other. Usually though, I'm a big fan of games that don't force you to be some arbiter of justice. Its fun to be the evil guy and kill all those whiny NPCs.

    Oh and I was reluctant to kill my dark brotherhood sanctuary members in oblivion.

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    AkatsukiAkatsuki Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Klyka wrote: »
    I can't hurt animals in any video game if they are portrayed in a normal matter and are not attacking me.

    I can however mutilate any human being, no matter if adult or child in any given way without thinking twice.

    I know that this goes for many people.

    I feel exactly like you.

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    LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Each time I watch Band of Brothers, I always then find it harder to play Call of Duty. Sure, they're trying to kill me, but what about the German teen name Hans that just wants to help his country? I have no hesitation in killing Germans in Russia, Africa, and France, but when I cross the rhine, I can't seem to look those desperate germans in the eyes.

    This is partly why the lack of blood in these games are so insulting. When they try and emulate Saving Private Ryan, but bring none of the stark reality and just turn the game into a shooting gallery, you have to question their motivations.

    By making the subject matter more palatable for people to play, they're trying to remove all the gravitas and consequences, which is absolutely not the right way to go about it. If these games were more tongue-in-cheek, like Kelly's Heroes or the Dirty Dozen, I would understand. But to for games like MoH and CoD to claim to take their subject matter seriously is a slap in the face for all the people who actually were there.

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    liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    2. Prey. Same as above.

    Do you mean...
    shooting the random crazies that you find?

    or
    when you have to execute Jen?

    Because the first I do all the time. The second... I hated to do it.

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    LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I've been looking forward to getting Bioshock, but when the time comes, I doubt I'll have the guts to Harvest the little sisters.

    You would believe this if you listened to Ken Levine and took him on face value. You will feel differently when you play it (at least I did).

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