The Batthread

AzraelAzrael Registered User regular
edited February 2007 in Graphic Violence
Batman and related Gotham/Bludhaven titles here I guess. I havent seen one already, though searching the forum for 'Batman' turned up quite a few results in non-specialist threads.

So the new Batman issue came outh this week, which is what I really want to talk about.

[spoiler:8819ae3bad]Now, I dont object, in itself, to making Jason alive and a villain. But right now, it just doesnt make sence.

Why is he still alive?

Why did he choose to be the Red Hood? He cant know the Joker link, I dont think even the Joker knows anymore.

Why does he wear his Robin style mask under the Hood?

Why did he switch out with Clayface in Hush?

Most of all, if Batman should have killed Joker, why did Jason not do it when he had the chance?[/spoiler:8819ae3bad]

If some of these questions are answered sharpish, this may come out acceptable or even good, since I like the potential Red Hood has. But right now it needs to make some kind of sence first if you ask me.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    edited July 2005
    I hate this new [spoiler:e05a29fa6a]Jason Todd is alive[/spoiler:e05a29fa6a] bullshit.

    I hated when they did it in Hush, but respected it when it turned out to be a diversionary tactic.

    It's like some asshole said, 'Hey remember what those guys did in Hush! That was cool, right? Let's do that, but have it be totally and completely retarded!'

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    I'm not too into comics at the moment, but I used to be when the whole

    [spoiler:1c450b4075]Jason Todd death thing[/spoiler:1c450b4075]

    was happening. This is just ridiculous.

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  • AzraelAzrael Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Knob wrote:
    I hated when they did it in Hush, but respected it when it turned out to be a diversionary tactic.

    It's like some asshole said, 'Hey remember what those guys did in Hush! That was cool, right? Let's do that, but have it be totally and completely retarded!'

    I need a poster of that spread with 'Jason' holding a blade to Tim's throat. I agree that it sucks that they basically retconed that, since Batman analysed the situation and called that it was Clayface. They retroactivly made Batman wrong about something, at least half wrong.

    Hopefully it will just

    [spoiler:e13aff945b]Turn out not to be Jason, but that would be messy with the DNA and such. They seem to have made it that no outcome can make sense.[/spoiler:e13aff945b]

    Like I say though, in himself the Red Hood has been pretty cool in this arc, its just the background thats very, very dodgy.

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  • PkmoutlPkmoutl Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    I haven't yet read anything on this whole spoilered situation, but I thought it was bullshit when they tried to pull it off earlier and failed.

    And the word is SENSE. No "C".

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    edited July 2005
    I think I'm gonna make a Hawkman thread. You down with that, old man?

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  • PkmoutlPkmoutl Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    I think I'm gonna make a Hawkman thread. You down with that, old man?

    I loves me some Hawkman.

    Not as much as I loves me some Hawkgirl, though.

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  • AzraelAzrael Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Pkmoutl wrote:
    I haven't yet read anything on this whole spoilered situation, but I thought it was bullshit when they tried to pull it off earlier and failed.

    And the word is SENSE. No "C".

    I AM UNDONE!

    1 out of 2 isnt bad though. That weirded me out because I caught myself spelling it with a 'C' in my second post and putting it right.

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  • BenMCOBBenMCOB Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    [spoiler:1555e4570d]Considering that Robin has left Batman and with this infinite crisis business coming up which from what I hear has a year long gap between the end of it and the new stories, does anyone think that a new Robin could be in the works?

    The year long gap would pretty much let them train a new Robin they announce right before the end and let them use them straight away, but offhand I really can't think of any current character who stands a very good chance of becoming it. In fact the only person who I can think of who could become it would be Jason Todd, but that's pretty unlikely and I can't imagine how it would not end up seeming tacky.[/spoiler:1555e4570d]

    Any thoughts on this?

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  • RockyRaccoonRockyRaccoon Registered User
    edited July 2005
    Why did he switch out with Clayface in Hush?

    I'm 99% thats a retcon. Although I guess thats a stupid answer, since the entire premise of [spoiler:0ea841dfef]jason todd being alive[/spoiler:0ea841dfef] is itself a retcon.

    What I don't get are the people who say "yeah its stupid thing to do, but think of all the great stories they'll be able to tell" Really? REALLY?

    [spoiler:0ea841dfef]So he's a misguided vigilante who wants to go around killing people? We haven't seen this before in Bat comics?[/spoiler:0ea841dfef]

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  • LuxLux Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Hi. I think this is the right thread.

    I just read Batman: The Long Halloween for the first time and I still have questions. I assume either I somehow skipped some pages, I should read other books for more information, or I am stupid, but...

    [spoiler:6d777d4360]1)Why WAS Catwoman always around Carmine Falcone when Batman was there?

    2) So the first few murders were Gilda Dent's, the next few were Harvey Dent's and then the last murder was Alberto Falcone? Why did Alberto Falcone fake his own death then? If "Holiday" was a small group of unaffiliated people acting independently, doesn't that just make it luck/concidence that "Holiday" struck on every major holdiay?

    3) Why did Two Face let (almost) everyone out of Arkham? It seemed they helped him infiltrate The Roman's place, but why ALL of them?

    4) I didn't get that line when Batman found a drunken Riddler. Riddler wasn't killed because Falcone wanted everyone to know he was looking for Holiday's identity? Wouldn't that be a given?[/spoiler:6d777d4360]

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited July 2005
    Lux wrote:
    Hi. I think this is the right thread.

    I just read Batman: The Long Halloween for the first time and I still have questions. I assume either I somehow skipped some pages, I should read other books for more information, or I am stupid, but...

    [spoiler:8ce643ea47]1)Why WAS Catwoman always around Carmine Falcone when Batman was there?

    2) So the first few murders were Gilda Dent's, the next few were Harvey Dent's and then the last murder was Alberto Falcone? Why did Alberto Falcone fake his own death then? If "Holiday" was a small group of unaffiliated people acting independently, doesn't that just make it luck/concidence that "Holiday" struck on every major holdiay?

    3) Why did Two Face let (almost) everyone out of Arkham? It seemed they helped him infiltrate The Roman's place, but why ALL of them?

    4) I didn't get that line when Batman found a drunken Riddler. Riddler wasn't killed because Falcone wanted everyone to know he was looking for Holiday's identity? Wouldn't that be a given?[/spoiler:8ce643ea47]

    It's been a while since I read it but lemme think.

    1. [spoiler:8ce643ea47]Catwoman always being around was partly a function of Falcone being ritch and excellent to steal from, and partly her following Batman, thanks to her dual crush on Wayne and Bats. [/spoiler:8ce643ea47]

    2.) [spoiler:8ce643ea47] It was never Falcone, if I remember right. It started with Dent's wife and then for some unknown reason she missed one and Dent picked it up. I don't remember if there was a reason for Falcone confessing (I remember thinking that he just hated his dad and wanted to piss him off). Again, I could be wrong, it's been a while.[/spoiler:8ce643ea47]

    3.) [spoiler:8ce643ea47]Two-Face was going from cell to cell and flipping his coin to see who he should let out and who he'd leave in. The ones in the Roman's room were the lucky ones. [/spoiler:8ce643ea47]

    4.) [spoiler:8ce643ea47]I think the Riddler being left alive was a diversionary tactic to make it seem like the Roman was Holiday.[/spoiler:8ce643ea47]



    MAN it's been a while since I've read this. I should find my copy.

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  • GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    So far I am absolutely LOVE the return of Jason Todd..
    The pacing of the story is such that it doesn't feel like it's just something being done for shock value, but that Winick is trying to craft a formidable opponent for Batman.

    Here's what I think should happen though.
    [spoiler:e50cca4c45]
    In the newest issue Jason Todd told Batman that he was going to become what Batman SHOULD be. I'm sure this just means that he'll become yet another vigilante, but he should totally take on the mantle of the Bat. Gotham would have two Batmen, The old Batman who refuses to kill, and the new Batman who is a merciless killer. So now not only does Bruce have his war on crime to deal with, but he also has to handle this rogue Batman who's out there dirtying his name.
    The real kicker however, would come once Bruce realized that Jason's methods were more effective. Bruce is then left having to weigh the pros and cons of his methods, knowing that Jason did a better job at cleaning up Gotham.
    Once Bruce beats him you're left with Bruce still feeling guilt over what happened with Jason, and the criminals of Gotham cower in fear from him again.
    [/spoiler:e50cca4c45]

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Interesting idea.

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  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited July 2005
    I want to see this end with

    [spoiler:f9a151c1ed]
    Batman being forced to make a decision. Either Kill the Joker and thus avenge Jason Todd or sacrafice the current Robin or Alfred by choosing not to kill the Joker. Either way the end of this story needs to have a long lasting impact otherwise Todd just joins a long list of Batman Villians who might appear once a year[/spoiler:f9a151c1ed]

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  • AzraelAzrael Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Manifest wrote:
    So far I am absolutely LOVE the return of Jason Todd..
    The pacing of the story is such that it doesn't feel like it's just something being done for shock value, but that Winick is trying to craft a formidable opponent for Batman.

    Here's what I think should happen though.
    [spoiler:189b74369c]
    In the newest issue Jason Todd told Batman that he was going to become what Batman SHOULD be. I'm sure this just means that he'll become yet another vigilante, but he should totally take on the mantle of the Bat. Gotham would have two Batmen, The old Batman who refuses to kill, and the new Batman who is a merciless killer. So now not only does Bruce have his war on crime to deal with, but he also has to handle this rogue Batman who's out there dirtying his name.
    The real kicker however, would come once Bruce realized that Jason's methods were more effective. Bruce is then left having to weigh the pros and cons of his methods, knowing that Jason did a better job at cleaning up Gotham.
    Once Bruce beats him you're left with Bruce still feeling guilt over what happened with Jason, and the criminals of Gotham cower in fear from him again.
    [/spoiler:189b74369c]

    [spoiler:189b74369c]Jason's methods would indeed be effective, but it would only take one fuck up to bring it crashing down. What if Joker or someone tricks Jason into killing a double or something? I think the whole thing should go making Bruce have doubts over his methods, and them being reminded why he does things that way. Its pretty well the only thing that really makes him any different from many of his enemies, who were driven by hate and revenge, and its one of the few ways Batman allows himself to make a mistake (as opposed to potentially killing an inoccent)

    That said, the way this was brought about needs to be cleared up. True Bruce is a 'creature of science' and has the DNA to prove its Jason, but he also held Jason dead in his arms, how does he make thaty work? Plus the Clayface switcheroo and his choise of becoming Red Hood, and where he got his equipment and training from needs explaining (In Hush, Batman deduced it wasnt Jason by the fact 'Jason wasnt this good')[/spoiler:189b74369c]

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  • DMACDMAC Moderator mod
    edited July 2005
    Lux wrote:
    Hi. I think this is the right thread.

    I just read Batman: The Long Halloween for the first time and I still have questions. I assume either I somehow skipped some pages, I should read other books for more information, or I am stupid, but...

    [spoiler:5c09453c71]1)Why WAS Catwoman always around Carmine Falcone when Batman was there?

    2) So the first few murders were Gilda Dent's, the next few were Harvey Dent's and then the last murder was Alberto Falcone? Why did Alberto Falcone fake his own death then? If "Holiday" was a small group of unaffiliated people acting independently, doesn't that just make it luck/concidence that "Holiday" struck on every major holdiay?

    3) Why did Two Face let (almost) everyone out of Arkham? It seemed they helped him infiltrate The Roman's place, but why ALL of them?

    4) I didn't get that line when Batman found a drunken Riddler. Riddler wasn't killed because Falcone wanted everyone to know he was looking for Holiday's identity? Wouldn't that be a given?[/spoiler:5c09453c71]

    I just re-read The Long Halloween and Dark Victory over the past two weeks.

    1.[spoiler:5c09453c71]Catwoman's interest in Carmine Falcone is explained in Dark Victory. She believes that he may in fact be her biological father.[/spoiler:5c09453c71]

    2.[spoiler:5c09453c71]I still don't entirely understand the whole Gilda/Harvey Dent twist at the end either, and which "Holiday" actually committed each murder. Again, if Alberto wasn't involved at the beginning then why did he fake his own death?[/spoiler:5c09453c71]

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited July 2005
    Ahhh, alright. I never read Dark Victory, so there you are.



    And yeah, I'll be honest [spoiler:8757151fd4]I don't think I entirely follow the killer either. Because of what we hear from Mrs. Dent, my personal theory is that it was never Alberto, but the scene between him and Calander Man where they're just naming holidays seems to indicate that he WAS a little deranged. I dunno.[/spoiler:8757151fd4]

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited July 2005
    dark victory is very very good.

    my feeling is that it was [spoiler:f4c47ce6e4]gilda the entire time, until the very end when two face actually dones one after he finds out the truth[/spoiler:f4c47ce6e4]

    the issue with alberto is that [spoiler:f4c47ce6e4]by the end of the book he has gone completely batshit loco and wants to get approval from his father and that is why he does what he does[/spoiler:f4c47ce6e4]

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2005
    [spoiler:26d9afb391]About Red Hood/Hush being so good, I have a theory. The switcheroo (which I had hoped for from the start of the "reveal" part of my theory has already happened. To explain away the "he's too good", there is a simple explanation. Training by some of the best (cain, deathstroke, deadshot, shiva), perhaps accelerated with the aid of a telepath. Heck, Jason could just be a clone of himself who somehow had his old memories restored, perhaps through evil magic or something. A wizard did it!

    In a comics universe as diverse as the DCU, anything can explained.[/spoiler:26d9afb391]

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited July 2005
    [spoiler:f7dd66c029]About Red Hood/Hush being so good, I have a theory. The switcheroo (which I had hoped for from the start of the "reveal" part of my theory has already happened. To explain away the "he's too good", there is a simple explanation. Training by some of the best (cain, deathstroke, deadshot, shiva), perhaps accelerated with the aid of a telepath. Heck, Jason could just be a clone of himself who somehow had his old memories restored, perhaps through evil magic or something. A wizard did it!

    In a comics universe as diverse as the DCU, anything can explained.[/spoiler:f7dd66c029]

    [spoiler:f7dd66c029]I didn't totally buy the "he's too good" thing anyway. I mean, it's how many years later. It's not like if it WAS Jason, he'd just been sitting on the couch eating cheez-its until one day he went nuts. He would have been training and working and be better than the last time Bats saw him.[/spoiler:f7dd66c029]

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  • PerduraboPerdurabo Leeds, UKRegistered User regular
    edited July 2005
    I've recently got into reading Batman, and I'm trying my best to just read the comics as stand-alones as best as I can. So far I've read Year One, The Killing Joke and the Dark Knight Returns.

    I mention this because I was really interested in the relationship between Batman and the Joker, especially after the great dialogue between the two about it being like a mutual suicide. Anyway, I was just wondering whether anyone had any suggestions of particular comics I should try to find which relate to these two, and show how it reaches the levels of The Killing Joke.

    Thanks.

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  • DMACDMAC Moderator mod
    edited July 2005
    Well, there's this:

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited July 2005
    While the boners storyline is a classic to be sure, you could try "The Man Who Laughs". New story by Ed Brubaker. It's good.





    edit- The Joker screaming that he'll show Gotham how many boners he can make will never stop being funny.

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  • PerduraboPerdurabo Leeds, UKRegistered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Wha...that's the greatest thing I've ever seen! Barring the Wolverine/Spiderman mindswap in USM of course

    I'll check out The Man Who Laughs next time I'm at the store. May have sounded like an odd request, but I figured reading comics by villian will make the continuity problems (and sheer bulk of issues) easier to manage.

    I'm not really sure how far back to try to read, I'll just try a bit of guess work with the older issues. If they don't work for me, they don't.

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  • GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Azrael wrote:
    Manifest wrote:
    So far I am absolutely LOVE the return of Jason Todd..
    The pacing of the story is such that it doesn't feel like it's just something being done for shock value, but that Winick is trying to craft a formidable opponent for Batman.

    Here's what I think should happen though.
    [spoiler:c1ee040655]
    In the newest issue Jason Todd told Batman that he was going to become what Batman SHOULD be. I'm sure this just means that he'll become yet another vigilante, but he should totally take on the mantle of the Bat. Gotham would have two Batmen, The old Batman who refuses to kill, and the new Batman who is a merciless killer. So now not only does Bruce have his war on crime to deal with, but he also has to handle this rogue Batman who's out there dirtying his name.
    The real kicker however, would come once Bruce realized that Jason's methods were more effective. Bruce is then left having to weigh the pros and cons of his methods, knowing that Jason did a better job at cleaning up Gotham.
    Once Bruce beats him you're left with Bruce still feeling guilt over what happened with Jason, and the criminals of Gotham cower in fear from him again.
    [/spoiler:c1ee040655]

    [spoiler:c1ee040655]Jason's methods would indeed be effective, but it would only take one fuck up to bring it crashing down. What if Joker or someone tricks Jason into killing a double or something? I think the whole thing should go making Bruce have doubts over his methods, and them being reminded why he does things that way. Its pretty well the only thing that really makes him any different from many of his enemies, who were driven by hate and revenge, and its one of the few ways Batman allows himself to make a mistake (as opposed to potentially killing an inoccent)

    That said, the way this was brought about needs to be cleared up. True Bruce is a 'creature of science' and has the DNA to prove its Jason, but he also held Jason dead in his arms, how does he make thaty work? Plus the Clayface switcheroo and his choise of becoming Red Hood, and where he got his equipment and training from needs explaining (In Hush, Batman deduced it wasnt Jason by the fact 'Jason wasnt this good')[/spoiler:c1ee040655]

    [spoiler:c1ee040655]Agreed. During Jason's time as the bat he SHOULD fuck up and kill someone that he shouldn't. But not until far after Batman has had to wrestle with the fact that there is someone else out there cleaning up his city in a way that he doesn't approve of.
    Also, Jason could have been resurrected in a lazarus pit. This whole thing could be the workings of Ras Al Ghul simply because he feels as if Batman is too soft, and that this is the best way to toughen him up.[/spoiler:c1ee040655]

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited July 2005
    [spoiler:6bf6d563e5]Oh hey, I hadn't thought of the Lazarus Pits.


    Actually, I'm a little unclear on just how they work. Can they bring you back from being totally dead?[/spoiler:6bf6d563e5]

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  • DMACDMAC Moderator mod
    edited July 2005
    Yep, pretty sure they can.

    [spoiler:0ac7f52239]Wasn't that how they explained Jason's original pseudo-resurrection in Hush? Ra's had complained that someone had invaded one of his pits and then when Jason reappeared he had the streak of white in his hair which is supposed to be a side-effect of having used a Lazarus pit. In the Batman/Superman Generations Elseworlds stories where Bruce Wayne uses a pit to extend his life, he comes back with a big streak in his hair. (Of course, it's supposed to make you a little crazy too...)[/spoiler:0ac7f52239]

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  • bonKbonK Registered User
    edited July 2005
    The insanity of using a Lazarus Pit eventually subsides, though.

    I think.

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  • DMACDMAC Moderator mod
    edited July 2005
    That's crazy talk.

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  • Dex DynamoDex Dynamo Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Well, the obvious insanity, yes

    but you can't say it doesn't have its long-lasting effects

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  • Zodiac BraveZodiac Brave Registered User
    edited July 2005
    Perdurabo wrote:
    I've recently got into reading Batman, and I'm trying my best to just read the comics as stand-alones as best as I can. So far I've read Year One, The Killing Joke and the Dark Knight Returns.

    I mention this because I was really interested in the relationship between Batman and the Joker, especially after the great dialogue between the two about it being like a mutual suicide. Anyway, I was just wondering whether anyone had any suggestions of particular comics I should try to find which relate to these two, and show how it reaches the levels of The Killing Joke.

    Thanks.

    Pick up Death in the Family and skip it all but the fifth issue. :^:

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited July 2005
    So uh the Frank Miller/Jim Lee Batman book starts next week.


    Anyone interested?


    Servo is!




    Interviewesque

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  • bonKbonK Registered User
    edited July 2005
    Just as long as it isn't anything like Dark Knight Strikes Again

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  • AzraelAzrael Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    DMAC wrote:
    Yep, pretty sure they can.

    [spoiler:7bb51fafa2]Wasn't that how they explained Jason's original pseudo-resurrection in Hush? Ra's had complained that someone had invaded one of his pits and then when Jason reappeared he had the streak of white in his hair which is supposed to be a side-effect of having used a Lazarus pit. In the Batman/Superman Generations Elseworlds stories where Bruce Wayne uses a pit to extend his life, he comes back with a big streak in his hair. (Of course, it's supposed to make you a little crazy too...)[/spoiler:7bb51fafa2]

    [spoiler:7bb51fafa2]I thought that Ra's was only aware of one person sneaking a dip in the pit, and that turned out to be Riddler.[/spoiler:7bb51fafa2]

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  • Zodiac BraveZodiac Brave Registered User
    edited July 2005
    Servo wrote:
    So uh the Frank Miller/Jim Lee Batman book starts next week.


    Anyone interested?


    Servo is!




    Interviewesque

    WHAT?! Oh God. I just... I just came everywhere.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Servo wrote:
    So uh the Frank Miller/Jim Lee Batman book starts next week.


    Anyone interested?


    Servo is!




    Interviewesque

    WHAT?! Oh God. I just... I just came everywhere.

    oh.. oh my god. that iterview.. glorious.

    i'm going to buy EVERY issue of this new comic.

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  • DorkDork Registered User, ClubPA
    edited July 2005
    1. Batman didn't deduce the identity of "Jason" through 'He was never this good.' It was also combined with the observation the he moved just like Dick.

    2. And HUSH pretty much ruled out Jason coming back through a Lazerus Pit when Batman says that even though he considered it in his grief, the damage to Jason's brain was just to great for it to do any good. The madness wouldn't be the only factor--Jason wouldn't be capable of any real thought.

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  • ArthArth Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Hardtarget wrote:
    Servo wrote:
    So uh the Frank Miller/Jim Lee Batman book starts next week.


    Anyone interested?


    Servo is!




    Interviewesque

    WHAT?! Oh God. I just... I just came everywhere.

    oh.. oh my god. that iterview.. glorious.

    i'm going to buy EVERY issue of this new comic.

    Well, looks like I'll be buying a monthly comic on a regular basis again.. o_o

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited July 2005
    Dork wrote:
    1. Batman didn't deduce the identity of "Jason" through 'He was never this good.' It was also combined with the observation the he moved just like Dick.

    2. And HUSH pretty much ruled out Jason coming back through a Lazerus Pit when Batman says that even though he considered it in his grief, the damage to Jason's brain was just to great for it to do any good. The madness wouldn't be the only factor--Jason wouldn't be capable of any real thought.

    Hmm... but then there's the Mark Waid written issue of JLA where Ra's al Ghul [spoiler:bc2328d1a2]steals the coffins of Martha and Thomas Wayne and offers to ressurect them And they're REALLY dead.[/spoiler:bc2328d1a2]

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  • XieflowXieflow Registered User
    edited July 2005
    I picked this up a few weeks ago.

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    it's fucking great

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