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Majestros
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There are a lot of really cool videos out there made by creative players that go completely unnoticed. They highlight various advanced aspects of all kinds of games, including combos, glitches, tactics, and just random cool stuff. Since i follow the video making scene anyway, i figure i may as well share what i find. There are usually a handful of videos released every week, and most of them get very little exposure. I'm sure there's a lot of good stuff that i miss too, so feel free to post up anything cool that you happen to find.
To get the ball rolling, here are the four videos premiered at Evolution this year, all covering different games and having different concepts/themes:
1) The first video premiered this year at Evo contains the highest quantity of practical tactics between the four.
NKI Volume X - Evolution 2007 Special - Super Turbo Shenanigans by NKI
All of the stuff in the video is very flashy and outlandish, but most of it can be incorporated into a solid gameplan to throw off the opponent. You can't base a whole strategy around any of it, but that's why they're called shenanigans.
This is one of the most fun-to-watch videos i've ever seen. Maybe i'm a little bit biased cuz i love ST, but there's just so much cool stuff in the video that you don't get to see very often. You wouldn't find this stuff in a combo video and you'd have to watch a thousand matches to see all this take place.
2) The second video shown was my multi-game Guile combo exhibition, which i've been working on for slightly over a year. Everything in it is meant to be innovative in one way or another, so that none of the content is repeats of anything found in an older video.
SF? Guile Exhibition (Evo2k7 Edition)
If you have VLC Player or the x264 codec installed, you should have no problems watching the HQ version. If not, you can always download the LQ version which should play in WMP without any extra work. The video quality difference is huge though, especially since the video is quite lengthy and running at 59.94fps.
3) Third on the schedule was this crazy MvC2 situational video. Basically it goes through a bunch of insanely unlikely scenarios that could actually come up if both players were experts at the game and they were playing it at nearly frame-by-frame speed.
Variable Atmosphere by Inventive Flow (Magnetro / Vega Omega / Dj-B13)
Lots of cool stuff happening all over the place. Worth downloading for the ending alone. I'd say more but i don't want to spoil it for anyone.
4) Finally, this one is an oldschool combo video but almost everything in it comes down to one glitch or another manipulated in some creative way. Plus it's got crazy layered 3D editing using sprite layers. It was played in segments at Evo, split up into different chapters to fit the tournament schedule.
Vid of Dreams by desk
Watching it requires a bit of work cuz you have to download the file(s) from CV but it's definitely worth it if you like oldschool Street Fighter games. I don't know how he did the floaty glitch but i'm sure he'll explain it once he has time to do a full writeup. Also i don't know how he did the editing but then again i'm an editing scrub so i probably couldn't explain it even if he had shown me.
Since many people here don't play fighting games much, i figured i'd explain what types of guidelines are typically used to rate/evaluate them. Basically it comes down to two criteria: technical achievement and style.
The biggest component of technical achievement is creativity, as in coming up with something that nobody has seen before. The other part is execution, as in actually pulling off something difficult. Lately that's been somewhat diminished because the availability of programmable controllers and emulator tools has made it possible to do crazy stuff without manual dexterity. So most of the focus is on the creativity end. For example, in this excellent SF3:3S Makoto video, that last combo against Urien is very inventive. It involves using several different feint moves to cancel her attacks early. That whole sequence is very original, which is a big deal considering how old the game has gotten to be.
On the other hand, style is a bit more difficult to pin down. It includes everything from unusual choices, to elaborate coreography, to professional editing, and lots more. Even some combos that don't present anything groundbreaking can still be impressive if they're arranged in a cool way. Using another example from the Makoto video, there's a clip where she hits Urien with 6 Jumping Fierces in one combo. It would have been possible to get more hits by using different attacks, but they wouldn't have shared such a unified theme. The editing also contributes to this by making the goal clear via an on-screen counter.
There are some other minor issues to consider but these two are the main ones. I've noticed that the choice of soundtrack is also really important. There are some videos that i can watch over and over because they just flow really well. Then there are videos that i have to mute because i hate the music, and i never watch them more than once. But it's a relatively minor point because you can't quite judge a video by the author's taste in music.
Anyway you get the point. It's mostly common sense and after you've seen a few videos for any given game, you get a good sense of the field.
Comments? Questions? Don't be shy : )
To get the ball rolling, here are the four videos premiered at Evolution this year, all covering different games and having different concepts/themes:
1) The first video premiered this year at Evo contains the highest quantity of practical tactics between the four.
NKI Volume X - Evolution 2007 Special - Super Turbo Shenanigans by NKI
All of the stuff in the video is very flashy and outlandish, but most of it can be incorporated into a solid gameplan to throw off the opponent. You can't base a whole strategy around any of it, but that's why they're called shenanigans.
This is one of the most fun-to-watch videos i've ever seen. Maybe i'm a little bit biased cuz i love ST, but there's just so much cool stuff in the video that you don't get to see very often. You wouldn't find this stuff in a combo video and you'd have to watch a thousand matches to see all this take place.
2) The second video shown was my multi-game Guile combo exhibition, which i've been working on for slightly over a year. Everything in it is meant to be innovative in one way or another, so that none of the content is repeats of anything found in an older video.
SF? Guile Exhibition (Evo2k7 Edition)
If you have VLC Player or the x264 codec installed, you should have no problems watching the HQ version. If not, you can always download the LQ version which should play in WMP without any extra work. The video quality difference is huge though, especially since the video is quite lengthy and running at 59.94fps.
3) Third on the schedule was this crazy MvC2 situational video. Basically it goes through a bunch of insanely unlikely scenarios that could actually come up if both players were experts at the game and they were playing it at nearly frame-by-frame speed.
Variable Atmosphere by Inventive Flow (Magnetro / Vega Omega / Dj-B13)
Lots of cool stuff happening all over the place. Worth downloading for the ending alone. I'd say more but i don't want to spoil it for anyone.
4) Finally, this one is an oldschool combo video but almost everything in it comes down to one glitch or another manipulated in some creative way. Plus it's got crazy layered 3D editing using sprite layers. It was played in segments at Evo, split up into different chapters to fit the tournament schedule.
Vid of Dreams by desk
Watching it requires a bit of work cuz you have to download the file(s) from CV but it's definitely worth it if you like oldschool Street Fighter games. I don't know how he did the floaty glitch but i'm sure he'll explain it once he has time to do a full writeup. Also i don't know how he did the editing but then again i'm an editing scrub so i probably couldn't explain it even if he had shown me.
Since many people here don't play fighting games much, i figured i'd explain what types of guidelines are typically used to rate/evaluate them. Basically it comes down to two criteria: technical achievement and style.
The biggest component of technical achievement is creativity, as in coming up with something that nobody has seen before. The other part is execution, as in actually pulling off something difficult. Lately that's been somewhat diminished because the availability of programmable controllers and emulator tools has made it possible to do crazy stuff without manual dexterity. So most of the focus is on the creativity end. For example, in this excellent SF3:3S Makoto video, that last combo against Urien is very inventive. It involves using several different feint moves to cancel her attacks early. That whole sequence is very original, which is a big deal considering how old the game has gotten to be.
On the other hand, style is a bit more difficult to pin down. It includes everything from unusual choices, to elaborate coreography, to professional editing, and lots more. Even some combos that don't present anything groundbreaking can still be impressive if they're arranged in a cool way. Using another example from the Makoto video, there's a clip where she hits Urien with 6 Jumping Fierces in one combo. It would have been possible to get more hits by using different attacks, but they wouldn't have shared such a unified theme. The editing also contributes to this by making the goal clear via an on-screen counter.
There are some other minor issues to consider but these two are the main ones. I've noticed that the choice of soundtrack is also really important. There are some videos that i can watch over and over because they just flow really well. Then there are videos that i have to mute because i hate the music, and i never watch them more than once. But it's a relatively minor point because you can't quite judge a video by the author's taste in music.
Anyway you get the point. It's mostly common sense and after you've seen a few videos for any given game, you get a good sense of the field.
Comments? Questions? Don't be shy : )
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I shall post here in due time sir. Yes, I shall.
Though usually I just enjoy watching the Evo trailers haha.
Anyway this is a cool trailer for a CvS1 video that was released on some Japanese website over a year ago, but nobody bothered uploading it to youtube until just now:
CvS1 Combo Video Storm Zero Trailer by T-7
He invented that crazy Mai/Vega projectile setup which is super useful in games without advanced movement options like dashes and rolls. CvS1 actually has both options, but it's still the fastest way to cover distance, so imagine how useful it would be in the old Alpha games. I'm sure it'll start popping up in newer videos any day now.
Anyway about half of the stuff in this video was new at the time, which is a crazy high amount of content for a simplistic game like CvS1. I really like that first Ryu combo and that Dhalsim combo. The Vega combo and the Mai combo are both really stylish too.
Xross Scram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm6zU_RsBkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcq_r8xn8Yc
SWR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcq_r8xn8Yc
I generally find the freeform fighters to be a lot more interesting anyway. It's people working with the engine itself to make all sorts of combos instead of just manipulating some strange property a couple moves may have over and over again in the more rigid games.
EFZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvxa9-ozThc
MBR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPJjMlf85rk
GGAC (Slayer only)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SizztxoNGzs
IAMP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFOXyRdmTqk
As for my Guile video, i worked pretty hard to get really good capture quality across the board, and the x264 codec totally preserves it. I'm kinda dreading seeing it on youtube cuz it's gonna be all sorts of helluva blurry. Plus my video runs at 59.94fps and youtube is going to absolutely destroy that. Anyway 200MB for seventeen minutes of video is pretty fair, wouldn't you say?
The trailer i made to announce it is on youtube though ...
SF? Guile Exhibition (Evo2k7 Edition Trailer)
Fighters History Dynamite (All Character Combo Exhibition) by Insanity Naked Hunters
While there's obviously some broken infinites in this game, the combo engine is pretty restrictive. Overcoming those limits to make such elaborate combos is what makes this video impressive. Most of the combos are done against some nameless bull character, which is kind of a functional precursor to Capcom Figthing Evolution's Hauzer. It's just a gigantic immobile hitbox.
Also some of the characters in this game are such obvious Street Fighter 2 ripoffs that it's outright painful watching 'em.
Trust me, it all comes down to the same thing once you understand the game well enough. When a new game is released, there's no groundwork for game engine exploration. So you basically get to do whatever you want and it's new. Once all the pathways have been explored sufficiently, it becomes clear which combo flowcharts are the best. At that point, innovation truly becomes about nuance. Granted, not everyone is interested in going that deep, but to me the stuff people find during the first few months is nowhere near as impressive as the stuff that qualifies as "new" once the game has been out for 2 or more years.
The other problem i have with those doujin games is that they all seem to lean towards drawing little girls. What's so cool about that? I guess it forces them to draw more clothes than female video game characters are usually entitled to, so it turns out less sexist or whatever. That's the only benefit i can think of though. I guess i just don't understand why that whole scene thinks that fighting games should be about adolescent goth girls. Anyway, that aside, IAMP looks absolutely awesome. Great premise for a fighting game.
Btw i think you copy/pasted the SWR link wrong.
Guess i'll just start somewhere random. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike is pretty popular these days. Two video makers come to mind, whom everyone respects.
Tosaka
Saita v1.2 Multi-Character Combo Video | Remy Combo Video
kysg
Vol. 1 - Q and Twelve | Vol. 2 - Chun Li | Vol. 3 - Alex | Vol. 4 - Ken | Vol. 5 - Akuma | Vol. 6 - Elena | Vol. 7 - Ryu | Vol. 8 - Sean | Vol. 9 - Necro
3) Third on the schedule was this crazy MvC2 situational video. Basically it goes through a bunch of insanely unlikely scenarios that could actually come up if both players were experts at the game and they were playing it at nearly frame-by-frame speed.
Variable Atmosphere by Inventive Flow (Magnetro / Vega Omega / Dj-B13)
Lots of cool stuff happening all over the place. Worth downloading for the ending alone. I'd say more but i don't want to spoil it for anyone.
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i have just watched and fully endorse this video solely because it acknowledges jchensor.
The grandfather of MVC2 vids.
also no meikyoussisou (sp?) vids? i know they went all glitch style after like vol. 2 but still the best editing for any combo vid ive yet to see.
too bad the CVS and MVC2 video bibles are lost since one of the host sites are gone. i think it was jabstrongfierce or some old combo site
Ode to the 2 Hit Combo | Fun with Capcom Fighting Evolution | Evo2k6 DVD Trailer
As far as MvC2 is concerned, the Meikyousisui group definitely makes the best videos for that game. But they haven't released anything in the past few months so i've got nothing recent to post. I'm down to find youtube links for all of their old vids if anyone is interested though.
Those CvS2 and MvC2 video bibles were made by Dj-B13, who was also involved in that Variable Atmosphere project mentioned above. His early CvS2 stuff was ok, but his MvC2 stuff was great. He's started making a whole new series of CvS2 strategy vids for various A-Groove characters and you can find all of those on youtube too.
MK4 Extreme by ded_ and Juggernaut featuring some editing from Battousai and DreemerNJ
Even if you're not a big MK fan, the cool thing about combo videos like this is that they show how broken the games really are. I mean, the designers clearly meant to implement a lot of safeguards against infinites and 100% combos, but almost every one of those safeguards is easily nullified by clever players.
project HeadHunter by SpaceMan, Velone, Akira, Incognito, Double H
I've been having a lot of trouble downloading them cuz their servers suck, but the u2b version works fine.
Dunno much about Tekken but the editing in this video is amazing. That whole last segment blew my mind. How were those even done? As far as i remember, the combo counter doesn't show up during replays, plus the instant replay doesn't go back far enough to show the beginnings of all of those combos, does it? Wtf?
I'm thinking maybe they did some of the longer combos twice and spliced the clips together to show the intros with replays. They must have also put in the replay combo counters while they were editing the video. Blurtube makes it really hard to tell though. Anyway it turned out really well imo.
While we're on the subject, a note about youtube: Those videos look like garbage. And not just any garbage. No, they look like garbage that has been looked through by three or four homeless people. Then the remnants got crushed into compact cubes, but instead of being taken to a landfill, the driver made a mistake and dropped it off at a nuclear waste facility. Also it has AIDS.
As an example, the 200mb Guile video in the first post is over 17 minutes long, 59.94 frames per second, 400x300 resolution and it looks great. If you put that on youtube (which can't be done anyway cuz of filesize limits), the framerate gets sliced in half and the resolution gets way downgraded. And let's not forget about the trademark youtube blur filter or the fact that you can't rewind to an exact spot. So excuse me for not wanting to give my video AIDS.
And besides, what's wrong with "weird random sites"? It can't be cool unless it's owned by Google? Only like one website i linked requires registration and i won't blame you if you skip over that one. But why hate on the rest?
Shredder 100% combo
Elecra 34hit combo
ah, good times.
Actually, no, I looked at the Tekken 5 and the ultimate Mortal Kombat links and then gave up.
Yes, I understand youtube sucks. I make videos myself. Nothing so far has beaten its ease of use, though. Why not post the vid on youtube *and* link (from there, or otherwise) to the full-size version? Some of us aren't as hardcore into these games and just want to sample the video a little bit before we bite into a 100-200 MB download.
Dude, you're killing me here ...
and ...
I did DL the Ultimate Mk video though (I missed the YT link edit: I seriously don't think the YT link was there a couple of days ago). It was good stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68F8UcTpo8 (uhh...nsfw)
Wu-Tang Shaolin Style Combo by retsuzan346 (?)
Old PS1 Powerstone-style 3D brawler. Video shows one corner juggle combo per character. Hella damage. Wu Tang Clan ain't nuthin' ta fuck wit!
DMC3SE Bloody Junk by Panda Attack
Dante has more combat depth in Devil May Cry 3 than most characters in most fighting games. This video does a great job of showing just how versatile he can be, and the soundtrack is dope too. In fact it would be awesome to see Dante show up in Soul Calibur or something, but taking away all of his broken BS would make him a lot less fun.
VP2 Frigid Damsel by Panda Attack
Someone else is gonna have to comment on this. I've never played Valkyrie Profile 2, sorry.
Pimp-Productions "Holiday" Combo Video by MrWhiteFolks
This video starts off with a full minute of Master Chief being victimized by the laws of (Xbox) physics. Pretty entertaining. The rest of it is fighting games though - X-Men: Next Dimension, Kakuto Chojin, and MK:DA.
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GAME?!
Rise of the Robots was the other big PC fighting game huh? Kinda funny how robots seem to be the central theme on the PC platform.
sango fighter and FX Fighter
Lots of "Fighter"
It's funny cuz people always bring up processing power or graphics cards or networking issues, but in the end the genre divide all comes down to the controller. I wonder if PC fighting games would still be alive today if someone actually figured out how to incorporate the mouse into the gameplay somehow.
First, the most technical video I've seen, Phanna Mint III, a Samus video. It's pretty heavy on glitches, but it's just so damn impressive. The fact that he can work that stuff into his regular game is just great. Definitely the most unique style I've seen, though Phanna probably isn't the "best" Samus player around.
And because low tier characters are fun to watch, Shadow Claw, a Mewtwo video. There's something really satisfying about seeing Mewtwo destroy a Fox or Sheik. I have to respect people who do so well with low tier characters, since they have to be so creative to compete.
And lastly, because he's my own best character (though I use just about everyone), Silence, a Captain Falcon combo video. Theres a lot of really good stuff in this video. I guess my only complaint is that it shows a bit more of Final Destination than most videos. Still, theres some good stuff of other stages.
nooo.... key boards are actually really good with fighting games. It's quite easy to do things like super pile drivers once you get use to is and charge moves all the more easier, the downside was the PS2 and earlier connectors that did not allow the key board to use more then three buttons at a time. That really put a stop to games like X-men vs. streetfighter.
Plus there is no shortage of arcade controllers for the PC.
Where PC gaming for fighter games failed was in porting. Capcom just plain didn't try. They had one port of SSF2T which was by far the best streetfighter port of the time, the difficulty level of it was insane. But after that they never tried porting to the PC... may be because of their deal with Nintendo at the time, i'm not quite sure.
Sega tried but they just plain sucked at it. Aside for that there were not many other developers that stood out for the PC.
But, hey that does not mean you can't have fun on the PC, after all the benefits to the PC is access to the ... shall we say, shady community:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_MXZFzlYrU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJZX7WasWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTJ98zJzWLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pNVohPVqew
IP, that's like 127.0.0.1, right?
I'm just saying that PC fighting game makers should have given up on trying to simulate arcade controls entirely. They should have figured out a way to make fighting games which take advantage of PC controls instead of hoping that everyone would buy a gamepad.
Plus it's obvious that PC graphics cards are built for 3D. It was dumb of them to keep trying to make 2D sprite-based games when they could have tried making Soul Calibur instead.
By the way, did know that Ode to the 2 Hit Combo contains a whole section of SSBM clips? They were all done by jchensor cuz he's a big fan of the series, but i thought they worked out nicely.
Unrelated question - anybody have a link to that site that has videos up of super moves/secret bosses/other cool stuff from various RPGs?
unfortunately computer 3d graphics started to grow was around the same time that Arcade fighting games started to die.
Also, seriously, Key board > joystic
And now, crazy combo time:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9yvGD-jFLB8
man, melty blood is all kinds of cheap.
Retarded shit you can do in a game by messing around with the physics a bit (a lot)? There's this person who plays Super Monkey Ball way too much.
I don't know if the tricks are real in this video, since I've never been very good at Mega Man 2. The remixed music makes it worth watching, though.
Mugen's been getting some attention, and most of us know about the "shady" part of it... making your own characters by using existing assets and all that. So then, what the hell is wrong with people?
This isn't really a "holy shit that guy's awesome" gameplay video as much as it is a "holy shit, that guy is hilarious/creative as all hell." Buggy Saint's Row, the Musical.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970666737/
T-7's movie preview page
It's got a lot of youtube links to crazy preview trailers for combo video DVDs that he sells. The KoFXI stuff is really crazy. I mean it's gotten to the point where there are always like 3-5 characters on the screen, random glitchy offscreen supers all over the place. Wacky, to say the least.
I've never seen a website that focused on anything of the sort. Usually the major RPG series will have dedicated fansites, and sometimes they have multimedia. But their main focus is stuff like artwork, storyline breakdowns, boss fight strategies, and so on.
I remember seeing that video when it was released, quite some time ago. I think that guy made a few more DMC3 videos like this one, but i don't remember what they were called. They all had weird gibberish names like this one.
That Super Monkey Ball video was awesome! I've never played the game and never even heard of it, but that was one of the most entertaining game vids i've ever seen.
Blurry SF? Guile Exhibition (Evo2k7 Edition) part 1 | part 2 | part 3
He didn't even bother to chop it up into proper chapters. Both cuts happen in the middle of game clips. So lame.
If you do happen to enjoy the video and want a non-blurry version, here's the proper download link again: SF? Guile Exhibition (Evo2k7 Edition)
Sorry i haven't been keeping this thread active lately. There hasn't been much going on in terms of new videos. I did make one other video, but only L5R players will care about most of the stuff in it.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4632208564237117943&q=the+beast+is+unleashed&total=172&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
gives me a warm feeling inside each time I see it
Evo2k2 - America is introduced to Aegis unblockable setups
Evo2k3 - SooMighty's Magneto has snapback combos
Evo2k4 - Evo Moment #37
This year Justin finally ended up on the winning side of one of these ...
Evo2k7 - Evolution Pro Tip #7: Never Give Up
The game about the movie about the game.
And you gotta admit that the Guile combos themselves were dope.