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New Computer...issues.
Word5mith
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I bought $1700 worth of computer parts. Case, video card, mother board, ram, power supply... everything that makes a computer with the exception of some hard drives.
I'm not good at this shit. I will not claim to know sata from my own ass.
A friend of mine not only helped me pick out the parts, proclaiming them "Fucking sweet" but also offered to assemble the computer with a version of Vista Ultimate 32 that I got off of microsoft's club.live.com game playing thingy. So all is beautiful and good.
The computer runs like anus. It is jerky and it will freeze up and "Not Responding" for like 3 minutes before getting into gear and kicking some computing ass until I commit some unclear sin and cause it to pout for another 3 or 4 minutes. That wasn't well written.
My friend claims that it is because vista 32 can't understand that I have more than 2 gigs of ram (I have 4 actually) and that I need to upgrade to vista 64 before it will work properly.
Again. I don't claim to know anything about this shit.
But that is some money to put down on a new version of vista. And I suggested that I just downgrade back to xp and he said I would also have to get a 64 version of xp because xp 32 also doesn't know how to handle more than 2 gigs of ram.
Now he's a good friend and he knows a fuck ton more about this ... STUFF.... than I do and he has been nothing but helpful to me in this venture of mine and that's all well and good but damn. It just doesn't seem likely that if you want more than 2 gigs of ram you have to upgrade to 64 version.
I was wanting a second opinion before I cried myself to sleep and any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
I'm not good at this shit. I will not claim to know sata from my own ass.
A friend of mine not only helped me pick out the parts, proclaiming them "Fucking sweet" but also offered to assemble the computer with a version of Vista Ultimate 32 that I got off of microsoft's club.live.com game playing thingy. So all is beautiful and good.
The computer runs like anus. It is jerky and it will freeze up and "Not Responding" for like 3 minutes before getting into gear and kicking some computing ass until I commit some unclear sin and cause it to pout for another 3 or 4 minutes. That wasn't well written.
My friend claims that it is because vista 32 can't understand that I have more than 2 gigs of ram (I have 4 actually) and that I need to upgrade to vista 64 before it will work properly.
Again. I don't claim to know anything about this shit.
But that is some money to put down on a new version of vista. And I suggested that I just downgrade back to xp and he said I would also have to get a 64 version of xp because xp 32 also doesn't know how to handle more than 2 gigs of ram.
Now he's a good friend and he knows a fuck ton more about this ... STUFF.... than I do and he has been nothing but helpful to me in this venture of mine and that's all well and good but damn. It just doesn't seem likely that if you want more than 2 gigs of ram you have to upgrade to 64 version.
I was wanting a second opinion before I cried myself to sleep and any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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What are the "parts?" could you give us a specific list of each? You may have a compatibility issue; you may have a poor installation issue, you may have any number of issues, so it's important that you are patient with this; we're essentially blind here.
Also, XP can recognize up to 4gb of RAM, I believe, and is written in 32 bit, or protected, mode (other than the x64 edition).
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Video card.... VGA EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR 8800GTX R
Processor.... CPU INTEL|C2Q6600 2.40G 775 8M R
RAM.... MEM 1Gx2|COR 240P TWIN2X2048-6400C4
You need more?
If you have monitoring software, run it. Keep an eye on the temps of your CPU and video card. Make sure all fans are running. Do you have enough fans? Before I can really go further, what are your system specs and what case do you have?
EDIT: (I'm dumb. You have 4 GB of RAM). Also, your video card is taking up 768MB of your total alottable RAM. Your system is pretty bitchin, so you should have a serious cooling solution. What's your case? Also, what power supply?
If I were a betting man I'd give 8:1 odds that your hangs and such have nothing to do with having too much RAM. As a test, take out half the RAM and see if you have the same problems. If you do, it has nothing to do with RAM limitations.
32-bit versions of Vista aren't quite limited to 2GB as I understand it, but they are limited in practicality to something like 3.2-3.5GB. A 32-bit number's maximum value is about 4 billion, and coincidentally that's how many bytes of RAM you have in your system. That means the highest memory address 32-bit programs and operating systems can deal with is within a 4GB limit, but there are drivers and memory-mapped devices taking up some of that space (500-700MB). While it is theoretically possible to use multiple virtual address spaces within a bigger memory space, I don't believe Vista does this. Also, there are hacks like 36-bit physical address extensions which may or may not work depending on your apps, your motherboard, and so on. A 64-bit OS is the real solution to this problem, but finding drivers and apps that work with 64-bit Windows is a real pain in the ass right now and it almost isn't worth it to move for a desktop machine.
So try the cheap test: pull half your RAM out and see if you still have problems. If you're still having problems, something else is going on and you just saved yourself weeks of hassle and hundreds of dollars trying a 64-bit OS that wouldn't help you anyway.
I have....... just a second... OK I believe the case is an Antec 900? I don't know if that's the series or if that's the actual model.
OK Power supply is SILENCER 610 EPS12V Ultra-Quiet Power Supply.
Addition: As I'm sure you can guess, you can't just "kinda" hook up the hardware right and have your computer run "kinda" good, unless it's something that's gonna get bad, resolve, and get bad again, like, say, an overheating video card. It sounds like it could be a memory problem but I dunno how
Also, make sure you've got all the correct drivers installed (My computer jumped from teh vista points thingy from 1 to 5 after some drivers)
Should be in your BIOS.
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Also, Asus has their PC Probe software. Install it, it tracks your temps and fan speeds (For the ones plugged into the MB anyway).
CPU 35C/95F
MB 26C/78.5F
I don't believe it - I'm on my THIRD PS3, and my FIRST XBOX360. What the heck?
That's nice and cool. Try monitoring these numbers while in Windows with a utility, and also watch power supply voltages to make sure they're not dipping.
Also, here's a MS KB article I've linked before that explains Windows XP memory support. XP 32-bit will handle 4GB, but it will only be able to address up to 3 GB (Which you have to specify in your boot.ini). Your friend is completely wrong though in his statement about Vista 32 (and XP 32) not being able to "understand" RAM above 2 GB. It will deal just fine, it just goes a bit to waste.
I don't believe it - I'm on my THIRD PS3, and my FIRST XBOX360. What the heck?
I have Vista Premium 64 bit and am very happy with it, even though I only have 2GB in my system right now. The thing is, unless you really, really want access to that extra RAM, it really doesn't offer any benefits over your current system right now.
Well, for one, you'll be able to fully utilize a shit ton of RAM, which is good. Apps/Games/etc built to take advantage of 64-bit chips will work great.
Downsides can include lack of 64-bit driver support from some companies, but this is really way less of a problem than when XP64 was the only 64-bit Windows available.
I don't believe it - I'm on my THIRD PS3, and my FIRST XBOX360. What the heck?
Ryan M Long Photography
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Thanks again.
Yes it does. It spikes right when I go to the perfomance tab but then kind of settles down to a rolling pur.
Interesting. If you can, keep the task manager up and see if it shows a spike when you have a sudden hang.
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Okeedokee. I will monitor that also.
Hmm. I doubt it - that would be a pretty serious performance hit for something that is supposed to improve performance.
So far as I can tell, the pre-fetch stuff has little to no effect on running stuff. Vista is blazingly fast for me, although I'm running three drives in a raid 0, so YMMV.
If it's a svchost.exe process, it's one of your Windows Services and there are tools (maybe process explorer, I forget) to figure out which services are attached to a particular svchost.exe process, which can help you narrow things down quite a bit.