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Oblivion 360 is really disappointing. (LttP, I know)

DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
edited September 2007 in Games and Technology
So, I decided I'd pick up the oblivion expansions, and since I got a 360, I figured I'd get the 360 version. Big mistake.

The graphics are painfully bad. Everything is extremely low res, and the draw distance is too far, putting strain on the system, while letting you stare at n64 quality textures in the background and painfully obvious low res 2d trees. I swear that all the supposed screenshots of this game are from the PC version. The lighting is way too good to be from what I've seen so far on the 360.

Despite the low res graphics, it still has slowdown.

The use of bloom is obscene. I have the game set to HDR on my PC, so I was unprepared for the assault on my poor eyes. My eyes ache after playing for a mere 15 minutes, as the screen is so bright, yet all the objects are dark, forcing you to strain to see details. Bloom is bad even when used properly, and its downright painful here. The realm of Oblivion is like a huge bright red splotch all over your TV.

The game looks better and plays about the same on my PC, which shouldn't be so, considering that other 360 games, namely, Bioshock are beautiful on the 360, and run like shit on my PC.

I check video options, and all I can do is change the brightness. If only there was some way to disable the damn bloom. All this actually has me really worried about Fallout 3, which is going to use the oblivion engine.

I honestly don't think any of this is the fault of the 360 itself, which performs amazingly on the other games I have. I think that the 360 version of Oblivion is just plain crap compared to the PC port. Unbelievable.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited September 2007
    The PC version wasn't really a port.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I... I thought Oblivion was okay.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I think that the 360 version of Oblivion is just plain crap compared to the PC port. Unbelievable.

    Um, you know it was primarily developed for the PC, like Morrowind was, right? UI aside, anyway.

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  • OhioOhio Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Are you playing it in HD?

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  • arod_77arod_77 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    The frame rate is pretty inexcusable--especially when you get on horseback--that and the loading ever 10 steps

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Everyone always complains about it, but I've always kinda liked bloom lighting in general. It adds this surreal, dream-ish quality to the atmosphere.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Ah so you are just complaining about the graphics as opposed to the gameplay. gotcha.

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  • corin7corin7 San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I have over a hundred hours logged in Oblivion on my 360 and I have no complaints. I think it looks pretty damn good. Also no headaches.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Ah so you are just complaining about the graphics as opposed to the gameplay. gotcha.

    My fault if I didn't really state it clearly, but I do own the game for PC and thought it was pretty good, hence why I got it again for the 360 for the expansions.

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  • D00MD00M Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    It was the reason I got a 360.
    Now I've upgraded to a HD TV....It's beautiful.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Ah so you are just complaining about the graphics as opposed to the gameplay. gotcha.

    My fault if I didn't really state it clearly, but I do own the game for PC and thought it was pretty good, hence why I got it again for the 360 for the expansions.

    This makes absolutely no sense. Like, none at all, I'm not just being facetious.

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  • GorkGork Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The game looks better and plays about the same on my PC, which shouldn't be so, considering that other 360 games, namely, Bioshock are beautiful on the 360, and run like shit on my PC.


    Hmmm.


    Let's look at the release date for these two titles, shall we?

    Oblivion: March 21, 2006

    Bioshock: August 21, 2007


    HMMMMM

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  • Evil_PigEvil_Pig Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I didn't really see that.

    I was expcting a "I can't Roleplay right" thing.

    But yeah, I thought it looked fine. You are right about the draw distance, but that's the only problem, form what I saw. Do you have a HDTV?

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Really, why buy again just for expansions when I'm sure you can get the same ones for PC, possibly free?

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  • corin7corin7 San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Gork wrote: »
    The game looks better and plays about the same on my PC, which shouldn't be so, considering that other 360 games, namely, Bioshock are beautiful on the 360, and run like shit on my PC.


    Hmmm.


    Let's look at the release date for these two titles, shall we?

    Oblivion: March 21, 2006

    Bioshock: August 21, 2007


    HMMMMM

    Also just apples and oranges man. There is never a part in Bioshock where you are looking literally miles into the distance. On top of that Oblivion was fine on the 360 and only performed better at the time of release on the very top end of computers. I also don't remember a time when I noticed any slowdown in the game. The op also mentioned it being low res? Are you playing on a SDTV? I mean you can't run it at 640x480 and compare it to your pc running at 1280x1024.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Ah so you are just complaining about the graphics as opposed to the gameplay. gotcha.

    My fault if I didn't really state it clearly, but I do own the game for PC and thought it was pretty good, hence why I got it again for the 360 for the expansions.

    ...

    What.

    What did you just say? I can't... process it. It just doesn't make sense.

    I enjoy Oblivion profusely on the PC btw. Vanilla... meh, fun but not a really deep RPG. Add in some mods, though? Awesome. I can't imagine what it'd be like to be stuck with a version you cannot mod, forever and ever. Wait, I can imagine. It would suck.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    corin7 wrote: »
    Also just apples and oranges man. There is never a part in Bioshock where you are looking literally miles into the distance. On top of that Oblivion was fine on the 360 and only performed better at the time of release on the very top end of computers. I also don't remember a time when I noticed any slowdown in the game. The op also mentioned it being low res? Are you playing on a SDTV? I mean you can't run it at 640x480 and compare it to your pc running at 1280x1024.

    Standard TV, Component cables. PC is circa 2004, so it predated oblivion.

    The low res foreground may be just a side effect of Bloom being inferior to HDR lighting, making it just seem flatter though, you could be right.

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  • steejeesteejee Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    My computer wasn't top of the line ( mid/high range) and it ran Oblivion spiffily @ 1650x1050 or whatever that widescreen res one below 1920x1200 is with everything up.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I never noticed any of the problems the OP claims THERE I SAID IT

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007

    ...

    What.

    What did you just say? I can't... process it. It just doesn't make sense.

    I enjoy Oblivion profusely on the PC btw. Vanilla... meh, fun but not a really deep RPG. Add in some mods, though? Awesome. I can't imagine what it'd be like to be stuck with a version you cannot mod, forever and ever. Wait, I can imagine. It would suck.

    I have the game on PC.

    Expansions cost extra, so I bought the 3 in 1 Game of the year edition for 360, instead of the PC version, assuming that it would run better on the 360. And while the framerate is about 10 fps higher, I really can't stand the graphics, hence my main complaint.
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    I never noticed any of the problems the OP claims THERE I SAID IT

    Fair enough, I haven't really been hardcore into console games since before the light bloom fad. Most of my ps2 games are from 2002 or so.

    Bloom abuse isn't as common on PC. My virgin eyes can't take it.

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  • corin7corin7 San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    corin7 wrote: »
    Also just apples and oranges man. There is never a part in Bioshock where you are looking literally miles into the distance. On top of that Oblivion was fine on the 360 and only performed better at the time of release on the very top end of computers. I also don't remember a time when I noticed any slowdown in the game. The op also mentioned it being low res? Are you playing on a SDTV? I mean you can't run it at 640x480 and compare it to your pc running at 1280x1024.

    Standard TV, Component cables. PC is circa 2004, so it predated oblivion.

    The low res foreground may be just a side effect of Bloom being inferior to HDR lighting, making it just seem flatter though, you could be right.


    Yeah no comparison. If you play it on a nice widescreen hdtv you will be a lot closer to how it looks on pc. Also your sig fucking rocks. Darksun pc game yeah?

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  • bongibongi regular
    edited September 2007
    The 360 version has HDR lighting.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    corin7 wrote: »
    Yeah no comparison. If you play it on a nice widescreen hdtv you will be a lot closer to how it looks on pc. Also your sig fucking rocks. Darksun pc game yeah?

    Yep!

    Anyway, while my TV is not HD, I do have access to one, so I can always give it a shot.

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    A monitor from 2004 is going to support a muchbetter resolution that a standard TV

    and if your TV is just standard (as opposed to enhanced, with a 480p resolution max) why the hell do you think componant cables are going to make that much of a difference?



    If you REALLY want to compare the graphics (which is a stupid thing to base your opinion of a game on anyway, IMO, but go ahead.) you need to have them both atthe same resolution.

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  • NexusSixNexusSix Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I... low res? :v:

    I think this is the first OP in the history of the tubes stating draw distance was too far.

    I am down with Darksun though. :^:

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Evander wrote: »
    and if your TV is just standard (as opposed to enhanced, with a 480p resolution max) why the hell do you think componant cables are going to make that much of a difference?

    I'd have to dig up my manual to know for sure, but the component cables make a big improvement in Gears of War. The details are so much clearer. Its a huge upgrade.

    Hitting the "HD" switch, though, fucks up the picture, so I'm assuming the TV isn't HD.

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  • SeruleSerule Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Evander wrote: »
    and if your TV is just standard (as opposed to enhanced, with a 480p resolution max) why the hell do you think componant cables are going to make that much of a difference?

    I'd have to dig up my manual to know for sure, but the component cables make a big improvement in Gears of War. The details are so much clearer. Its a huge upgrade.

    Hitting the "HD" switch, though, fucks up the picture, so I'm assuming the TV isn't HD.

    Component should be a good bit crisper than plain AV cables, even on a normal TV.

    AV < S-Video < Component (although the last two are pretty close)

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  • NitsuaNitsua South CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    colors would be better looking, but you won't get the detail you would have from an HDTV. Far and a way better than just using composite cables, I agree, but you still are missing out on a lot with that SDTV of yours.

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  • corin7corin7 San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    For a good comparison you should set the pc version to 640x480. This should look pretty similiar to what you are seeing on the 360 version.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    corin7 wrote: »
    For a good comparison you should set the pc version to 640x480. This should look pretty similiar to what you are seeing on the 360 version.

    but take the results with a pinch of salt, because there are a billion reasons why this is an awful comparison.

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  • JerikTelorianJerikTelorian Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Evander wrote: »
    and if your TV is just standard (as opposed to enhanced, with a 480p resolution max) why the hell do you think componant cables are going to make that much of a difference?

    I'd have to dig up my manual to know for sure, but the component cables make a big improvement in Gears of War. The details are so much clearer. Its a huge upgrade.

    Hitting the "HD" switch, though, fucks up the picture, so I'm assuming the TV isn't HD.

    Yeah, it isn't HD if you can't switch it to HD on the cables.

    I'll admit that component marks a fairly big perceived improvement over A/V (when you make the jump on SD) but Oblivion looks absolutely beautiful in HD on the 360. My only regreat about having it on 360 is that it's unmoddable, but ignorance is bliss, I guess.
    No it's not oh God I wish I had a PC that could play it :cry:

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  • Smacky The FrogSmacky The Frog Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Looked fine to me, of course I played in 720p.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    This is a very dumb thread. Rather then buying an expansion for a game you already have on the PC, that looks better, is moddable, and after mods is in all respects superior to the 360 version you spent twice the money to rebuy the game to play it in Standard Def?

    You have no logic in your world.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    You should not do LSD and Marijuana and drink and snort coccaine all together before posting. It's bad form.

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  • AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    360 Obliv has its shares of problems: frequent, slow loads. Noticeable pop-in of everything from monsters to textures to grass at distances that really aren't that far (grass in particular appears like 30 feet in front of you, while if you're close enough to see a monster you're close enough to get noticed and attacked)). Some UI design limitations also show; only having 8 hotkeys is not nearly enough, especially for a mage character, and the large-icon-list inventory gets unmanageable when you have a lot of stuff. Morrowind's UI was a better fit for the XBox, my only complaint there was the arter system (Oblivion does that well).

    But 90% of the time, it's just goddamn gorgeous and plays well. For some reason my 360 has been getting slower and slower loading certain areas of Oblivion, no idea why (tried clearing cache), which is making it tougher to play the game. Leyawiin, Cheydinhal, and Bravil take 3-4 minutes to load, the Imp. City and Bruma take almost as long.

    If I could fix my ever-growing load times I'd have very little to complain about. The pop-in is only really jarring when distant textures go from a blurry green mess to ultra-high detail all of a sudden, the LOD bias seems to have no middle ground. And the UI is designed to be console-friendly.

    I'll still play it on my 360, because leaning back in my recliner with a wireless controller, watching the game on a 36" HD widescreen, is just incomparable. My PC could run it as well as my 360, but KB/mouse is just wrong for RPGs, and my PC monitor is smaller than my TV. I'd love to have mods to get more content available, but I'm happy with what there is.

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  • switzky21switzky21 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    I didn't like Oblivion.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I have not played oblivion, but I hope everyone throws shoes on the roofs

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  • StigmaStigma Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    In an age where a television's resolution just isn't good enough.
    Abloo bloo bloo they go, as they prance through the field of software.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    bongi wrote: »
    The 360 version has HDR lighting.

    qft

    This thread seems like those reviews that give great games unusually low scores in order to create controversy/garner hits.

    Thread fails. :v:

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  • Shoegaze99Shoegaze99 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Standard TV, Component cables.
    And you expected killer visuals from the game? Not gonna happen that way, man. If you're going to compare it to the PC version, at the very least you need to run it in hi def.

    I put about 100 hours into the PC version, and about 70 into the 360 version. Looked great on both. My circa 2005 PC suffered from some slowdown in certain locations and I had the grass turned off, but was generally happy with it. Got a lower res on the 360 (running on an HDTV) but all the bells and whistles ran, and the framerate was fine.

    All in all, I rate them pretty evenly, as far as my visual experience goes. Your mileage depends on your PC and TV.

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