Defend me n00bies! (And vets who might be able to use a stalwart patsy!)
Hmmm.....what are your qualifications in the patsy-ing field? Any relevant experience?
I have extensive experience in the fields of boot-licking, brown-nosing, and all purpose yes-manning for all your self-absorbed benefactor or evil tyranting needs.
Bliss, however, defended me without first questioning my qualifications, so he and I are best friends now.
I have extensive experience in the fields of boot-licking, brown-nosing, and all purpose yes-manning for all your self-absorbed benefactor or evil tyranting needs.
Bliss, however, defended me without first questioning my qualifications, so he and I are best friends now.
Hmm.....excellent then. Bliss could act as an Aid de Camp. That'd be fine with me.
Oatway!
Nerissa I'm positive nobody would be cruel enough to kill you tonight...
Only the holder of the Eye of Ra, and perhaps the Hammer of Thor when it is completed, can know for sure that someone does not hold an evil artifact.
Knowing that someone has the Eye (which you can know by them knowing what artifacts you have) does not mean they do not ALSO hold an evil artifact. This means that each step of network formation will require two nights. (If X holds the Eye, they request a vision of Y, and find out they have no evil artifacts. The next day. the Eye is given to Y, who requests a vision of X.)
Knowing what artifacts a person holds is only valid for the point in time when the vision was used. I'm assuming this is going to be at narration time, after all trades for the day have been completed. As early as 15 minutes after the narration, that information could be outdated.
We need to pay close attention to the order of actions.
Clarification, please -- if the Eye of Ra (or Ouija Board) gets stolen, will there be no vision/contact, or will the thief get the vision/response that the previous holder requested?
A former bad guy who is still allied with the bad guys = Thrall -- they will show up as "good" (not holding any evil artifacts) even though they are working against the good guys.
Nerissa I'm positive nobody would be cruel enough to kill you tonight...
Yeah, sure... now that you say that...
Honestly, I've had a couple of good runs, I don't particularly want people to not kill me purely out of pity.
Besides... I'd like to see them try.
Hi Nerissa, how is that Shield of Achilles treating you?
Well, the name has been changed based on the discussion in the sign-up thread, but otherwise, rather well. I did, however, check before saying anything to make sure that all possible kills come BEFORE the thief so I can get at least one use out of it before it gets stolen. :P
Edit: Another Clarification request -- what happens if two or three holders of Arrows of Robin Hood target the same person?
Nerissa I'm positive nobody would be cruel enough to kill you tonight...
Yeah, sure... now that you say that...
Honestly, I've had a couple of good runs, I don't particularly want people to not kill me purely out of pity.
Besides... I'd like to see them try.
Hi Nerissa, how is that Shield of Achilles treating you?
Well, the name has been changed based on the discussion in the sign-up thread, but otherwise, rather well. I did, however, check before saying anything to make sure that all possible kills come BEFORE the thief so I can get at least one use out of it before it gets stolen. :P
Edit: Another Clarification request -- what happens if two or three holders of Arrows of Robin Hood target the same person?
You now, it occurs to me that coming out and saying you have the shield is a great way to avoid first-day assassination attempts. Obviously the evils and the scythe-holder (Scyther?) wouldn't want to risk wasting a kill attempt on someone who can block them.
Also, waving around the fact you have an artifact could be a ruse to tempt the arrow holders try and steal from you (Escpecially considering your interest in the arrow mechanics). Should you have nothing, you just took an arrow out of the game, eliminating a potentially game-altering wild card.
As a non-gm, my guess-answer to your arrow clarification question would be that whoever attempted to steal first would get the artifact(s) (if any) and the second gets nothing. But that's just my guess.
*edit* Go n00bs go! Let us band together and destroy our Veteran oppressors! (Except Bliss and DA because they're cool and nice)
You now, it occurs to me that coming out and saying you have the shield is a great way to avoid first-day assassination attempts. Obviously the evils and the scythe-holder (Scyther?) wouldn't want to risk wasting a kill attempt on someone who can block them.
Alternately, if I actually do have the shield, I could protect someone other than myself by the same reasoning. Of course, that requires someone to convince me that their survival might be worth the chance that the bad guys figure I'm bluffing.
You now, it occurs to me that coming out and saying you have the shield is a great way to avoid first-day assassination attempts. Obviously the evils and the scythe-holder (Scyther?) wouldn't want to risk wasting a kill attempt on someone who can block them.
Alternately, if I actually do have the shield, I could protect someone other than myself by the same reasoning. Of course, that requires someone to convince me that their survival might be worth the chance that the bad guys figure I'm bluffing.
I don't think the shield protects you from the village killing you...
if the Eye of Ra (or Ouija Board) gets stolen, will there be no vision/contact, or will the thief get the vision/response that the previous holder requested?
The thief gets the previously-requested vision.
A former bad guy who is still allied with the bad guys = Thrall -- they will show up as "good" (not holding any evil artifacts) even though they are working against the good guys.
That's right.
what happens if two or three holders of Arrows of Robin Hood target the same person?
The first one to steal (i.e. the first one to send me the PM) gets the victim's artefacts, the others get nothing.
Lets get this on, good luck to everyone, this Phalla is going to be interesting, I love the idea that even if you are villager in the beginning you have a chance of being a special later if you get lucky after a Village vote.
You now, it occurs to me that coming out and saying you have the shield is a great way to avoid first-day assassination attempts. Obviously the evils and the scythe-holder (Scyther?) wouldn't want to risk wasting a kill attempt on someone who can block them.
Alternately, if I actually do have the shield, I could protect someone other than myself by the same reasoning. Of course, that requires someone to convince me that their survival might be worth the chance that the bad guys figure I'm bluffing.
I don't think the shield protects you from the village killing you...
there's just to many of them.
Unless someone can convince enough people that I'm actually a bad guy, I'm not too worried about being executed.
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edited September 2007
!votin' Zot like it's going out of style
Most likely just a placeholder vote until somebody better (worse?) comes along
Yep they are, I think this is the most convincing bandwagon I have found yet, I still want the yeerks dead (fuckers I am certain it was their fault the cops arrested me).
You now, it occurs to me that coming out and saying you have the shield is a great way to avoid first-day assassination attempts. Obviously the evils and the scythe-holder (Scyther?) wouldn't want to risk wasting a kill attempt on someone who can block them.
Alternately, if I actually do have the shield, I could protect someone other than myself by the same reasoning. Of course, that requires someone to convince me that their survival might be worth the chance that the bad guys figure I'm bluffing.
I don't think the shield protects you from the village killing you...
there's just to many of them.
Unless someone can convince enough people that I'm actually a bad guy, I'm not too worried about being executed.
Geez Narissa, at this point, you might as well just come out and ask the village to hang you. It's not like we're losing our guardian, the shield just goes to someone else.
Best case scenario: You're evil and have the shield, so by voting you off, we're not only killing off an evil early on, but an evil who can PROTECT THEMSELVES, which would be very bad
Neutral scenario: You're just a villager with a shield, we kill you, the shield goes to another neutral villager, one who's kept under wraps and can better protect our seer (if he/she manages to figure them out)
Worst case scenario: You're just a villager with a shield, we kill you, and the shield goes to a bad guy.
That would suck for the village, ya?
Also: If it's true you have the shield, what's to say one of the bad guys doesn't have an arrow? Now you've just given the bad guys the shield. Are you proud of yourself now? Well? are you??
I'll keep my vote on Oatway for now, because he's a big poo poo head, but if I were you, Nerissa, I'd just lay low for a while.
I like you Romantic, its a good analysis of the situation, I was writing it up myself a little while ago but then I got sidetracked by youtube and accidentally closed FF after which I gave up and said "meh not writing that again".
At this point, my advice to Nerissa is: If you're a villager and you do in fact have the shield, give it to someone else to avoid an evil from getting their grubby hands on it, it's the best thing for the village.
If our seer has already contacted you, either give them the shield (if you trust them) so that they can then give it to someone else, or give it to someone you trust and tell them who the seer is, without necessarily telling the seer who you gave it to.
At this point, I think it might be in the best interest of the village to execute you for revealing yourself. If you DO have the shield and don't give it up, odds are better at this point that it will just fall into the hands of another villager. If we wait until later, more villagers are likely to be dead than evils, which increases the odds of an evil getting their hands on the shield, which the village really, really doesn't want.
If you're also evil, then that's an awesome bonus for the village (and the opposing evil team)! If you're not, well, someone has to die, so it might as well be you.
!Oatway, you got lucky this time!
Sorry !Nerissa, but giving yourself up has put the village at risk and I can't allow that. Hopefully the rest of the village will see things my way.
First off... it's not like killing off a guardian is a big deal anyway :P
Second, and really most important... Voting off bad guys is VERY unlikely to work in this game, since they can just give their artifact to another bad guy when they see they're likely to be executed. The only way it'll work is if we can coordinate a last-minute vote switch without alerting them that we're planning it. Protip: that isn't going to be possible with any sort of reliability for several days at least.
Third, and also important... if I'm a bad guy with a shield, I'm going to be giving that shield to another bad guy before I get executed, because it's obviously not doing ME any good that night. So, if I'm a bad guy with a shield, there is no chance a good guy will get the shield if I'm executed, but if I'm a good guy with a shield, there IS a chance that a bad guy will get it.
Fourth... you're new, right? There are enough vets around who know that if I'm a good guy, I'm enough of an asset to the team to not kill me off unnecessarily.
Yes, there could be a bad guy with an arrow. It's a chance I'm taking. However, if I had an arrow (good or bad), I'd probably be hunting for the pieces of that hammer rather than any single-purpose artifact.
And finally... I played my first several games close to the vest. It only managed to get me killed off early, and I ended up more frustrated than having fun. I'm tired of that style, I'm going to start taking a few chances. If it gets me killed early, well, that's no different than before and at least I had fun doing it.
Edit, because I was typing this while you posted that last one... why the hell would a seer contact me, and how could I have any clue they were telling the truth? They don't even get their first vision until tonight.
Uhh I like you both you are both smart and have good points, but currently Nerissa's is best, I am staying on a confirmed Yeerk (they still need to be killed).
First off... it's not like killing off a guardian is a big deal anyway :P
Second, and really most important... Voting off bad guys is VERY unlikely to work in this game, since they can just give their artifact to another bad guy when they see they're likely to be executed. The only way it'll work is if we can coordinate a last-minute vote switch without alerting them that we're planning it. Protip: that isn't going to be possible with any sort of reliability for several days at least.
Third, and also important... if I'm a bad guy with a shield, I'm going to be giving that shield to another bad guy before I get executed, because it's obviously not doing ME any good that night. So, if I'm a bad guy with a shield, there is no chance a good guy will get the shield if I'm executed, but if I'm a good guy with a shield, there IS a chance that a bad guy will get it.
Fourth... you're new, right? There are enough vets around who know that if I'm a good guy, I'm enough of an asset to the team to not kill me off unnecessarily.
Yes, there could be a bad guy with an arrow. It's a chance I'm taking. However, if I had an arrow (good or bad), I'd probably be hunting for the pieces of that hammer rather than any single-purpose artifact.
And finally... I played my first several games close to the vest. It only managed to get me killed off early, and I ended up more frustrated than having fun. I'm tired of that style, I'm going to start taking a few chances. If it gets me killed early, well, that's no different than before and at least I had fun doing it.
Edit, because I was typing this while you posted that last one... why the hell would a seer contact me, and how could I have any clue they were telling the truth? They don't even get their first vision until tonight.
Well, let's assume for a second you're evil AND have the shield. Obviously, if a bandwagon starts against you, you'll try to dump the items, most likely on one of your dirty, dirty evil compatriots. That's fine though, because now that means ONE person has TWO evil artifacts. Now, that evil person has the onerous task of convincing another villager to take up the Mantle of Evil (tm). This is a HUGE risk for the evil guy, and if the person he chooses to contact betrays him, the village has a chance to take out TWO evil artifacts with one blow! This, is a GOOD thing. My vote stands.
Well, let's assume for a second you're evil AND have the shield. Obviously, if a bandwagon starts against you, you'll try to dump the items, most likely on one of your dirty, dirty evil compatriots. That's fine though, because now that means ONE person has TWO evil artifacts. Now, that evil person has the onerous task of convincing another villager to take up the Mantle of Evil (tm). This is a HUGE risk for the evil guy, and if the person he chooses to contact betrays him, the village has a chance to take out TWO evil artifacts with one blow! This, is a GOOD thing. My vote stands.
Or she just gives it to someone who likes to be on Team Evil. :P
Sounds like a great idea Aldo, I have played the Animorphs Phalla before, but I got voted out day 8 as I had the amazing ability of always believeing what the evil guys told me and thus the good guys didnt like me , hopefully it was just inexperience though.
More players from Europe, yes please, mayby we can nudge the times into something that isnt in the middle of the night that way ;-).
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KupotheAvengerDestroyer of Cakeand other deserts.Registered Userregular
edited September 2007
...and on the highly unlikely side, Nerissa could not have a shield and be allied with the actual shield bearer, thus drawing attention from him/her, so that they can protect unheeded. Just more speculation, but might be worth thinking. Bluffing isn't unheard of in this game. I'm going to hold off bandwagoning Nerissa at least until day 2.
Though the idea of one bad guy with both a shield and killing ability is frightening.
A Robot Grudge. Also this Undead/Nerissa thing is confusing, but I'll have to go with my gut and say Nerissa is being truthfulish (either lying to draw out stuff or being honest) and Undead is a vanillager.
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!vote Oatway
Hmmm.....what are your qualifications in the patsy-ing field? Any relevant experience?
I have extensive experience in the fields of boot-licking, brown-nosing, and all purpose yes-manning for all your self-absorbed benefactor or evil tyranting needs.
Bliss, however, defended me without first questioning my qualifications, so he and I are best friends now.
My average has been going up the past couple of games, maybe I can make it through the weekend, at least?
Oatway!
Nerissa I'm positive nobody would be cruel enough to kill you tonight...
Yeah, sure... now that you say that...
Honestly, I've had a couple of good runs, I don't particularly want people to not kill me purely out of pity.
Besides... I'd like to see them try.
Hi Nerissa, how is that Shield of Achilles treating you?
Only the holder of the Eye of Ra, and perhaps the Hammer of Thor when it is completed, can know for sure that someone does not hold an evil artifact.
Knowing that someone has the Eye (which you can know by them knowing what artifacts you have) does not mean they do not ALSO hold an evil artifact. This means that each step of network formation will require two nights. (If X holds the Eye, they request a vision of Y, and find out they have no evil artifacts. The next day. the Eye is given to Y, who requests a vision of X.)
Knowing what artifacts a person holds is only valid for the point in time when the vision was used. I'm assuming this is going to be at narration time, after all trades for the day have been completed. As early as 15 minutes after the narration, that information could be outdated.
We need to pay close attention to the order of actions.
Clarification, please -- if the Eye of Ra (or Ouija Board) gets stolen, will there be no vision/contact, or will the thief get the vision/response that the previous holder requested?
A former bad guy who is still allied with the bad guys = Thrall -- they will show up as "good" (not holding any evil artifacts) even though they are working against the good guys.
Well, the name has been changed based on the discussion in the sign-up thread, but otherwise, rather well. I did, however, check before saying anything to make sure that all possible kills come BEFORE the thief so I can get at least one use out of it before it gets stolen. :P
Edit: Another Clarification request -- what happens if two or three holders of Arrows of Robin Hood target the same person?
Indeed seeing as I am a new guy myself. !vote Oatway
I'm kind of a new guy as well. Though I know better now than to move against a rolling bandwagon. KILL THE N00B SLAYER!!!
!vote Oatway
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I say Day 2 for ya Nerissa. I would've said Day 3, but I can't help but think a thief is going to want your shield tonight.
Battlenet: Judgement#1243
psn: KupoZero
You now, it occurs to me that coming out and saying you have the shield is a great way to avoid first-day assassination attempts. Obviously the evils and the scythe-holder (Scyther?) wouldn't want to risk wasting a kill attempt on someone who can block them.
Also, waving around the fact you have an artifact could be a ruse to tempt the arrow holders try and steal from you (Escpecially considering your interest in the arrow mechanics). Should you have nothing, you just took an arrow out of the game, eliminating a potentially game-altering wild card.
As a non-gm, my guess-answer to your arrow clarification question would be that whoever attempted to steal first would get the artifact(s) (if any) and the second gets nothing. But that's just my guess.
*edit* Go n00bs go! Let us band together and destroy our Veteran oppressors! (Except Bliss and DA because they're cool and nice)
Alternately, if I actually do have the shield, I could protect someone other than myself by the same reasoning. Of course, that requires someone to convince me that their survival might be worth the chance that the bad guys figure I'm bluffing.
I don't think the shield protects you from the village killing you...
there's just to many of them.
That's right.
The first one to steal (i.e. the first one to send me the PM) gets the victim's artefacts, the others get nothing.
Again good luck.
Unless someone can convince enough people that I'm actually a bad guy, I'm not too worried about being executed.
Most likely just a placeholder vote until somebody better (worse?) comes along
Yep they are, I think this is the most convincing bandwagon I have found yet, I still want the yeerks dead (fuckers I am certain it was their fault the cops arrested me).
!vote FreeAgent
!vote Oatway
Geez Narissa, at this point, you might as well just come out and ask the village to hang you. It's not like we're losing our guardian, the shield just goes to someone else.
Best case scenario: You're evil and have the shield, so by voting you off, we're not only killing off an evil early on, but an evil who can PROTECT THEMSELVES, which would be very bad
Neutral scenario: You're just a villager with a shield, we kill you, the shield goes to another neutral villager, one who's kept under wraps and can better protect our seer (if he/she manages to figure them out)
Worst case scenario: You're just a villager with a shield, we kill you, and the shield goes to a bad guy.
That would suck for the village, ya?
Also: If it's true you have the shield, what's to say one of the bad guys doesn't have an arrow? Now you've just given the bad guys the shield. Are you proud of yourself now? Well? are you??
I'll keep my vote on Oatway for now, because he's a big poo poo head, but if I were you, Nerissa, I'd just lay low for a while.
If our seer has already contacted you, either give them the shield (if you trust them) so that they can then give it to someone else, or give it to someone you trust and tell them who the seer is, without necessarily telling the seer who you gave it to.
At this point, I think it might be in the best interest of the village to execute you for revealing yourself. If you DO have the shield and don't give it up, odds are better at this point that it will just fall into the hands of another villager. If we wait until later, more villagers are likely to be dead than evils, which increases the odds of an evil getting their hands on the shield, which the village really, really doesn't want.
If you're also evil, then that's an awesome bonus for the village (and the opposing evil team)! If you're not, well, someone has to die, so it might as well be you.
!Oatway, you got lucky this time!
Sorry !Nerissa, but giving yourself up has put the village at risk and I can't allow that. Hopefully the rest of the village will see things my way.
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Second, and really most important... Voting off bad guys is VERY unlikely to work in this game, since they can just give their artifact to another bad guy when they see they're likely to be executed. The only way it'll work is if we can coordinate a last-minute vote switch without alerting them that we're planning it. Protip: that isn't going to be possible with any sort of reliability for several days at least.
Third, and also important... if I'm a bad guy with a shield, I'm going to be giving that shield to another bad guy before I get executed, because it's obviously not doing ME any good that night. So, if I'm a bad guy with a shield, there is no chance a good guy will get the shield if I'm executed, but if I'm a good guy with a shield, there IS a chance that a bad guy will get it.
Fourth... you're new, right? There are enough vets around who know that if I'm a good guy, I'm enough of an asset to the team to not kill me off unnecessarily.
Yes, there could be a bad guy with an arrow. It's a chance I'm taking. However, if I had an arrow (good or bad), I'd probably be hunting for the pieces of that hammer rather than any single-purpose artifact.
And finally... I played my first several games close to the vest. It only managed to get me killed off early, and I ended up more frustrated than having fun. I'm tired of that style, I'm going to start taking a few chances. If it gets me killed early, well, that's no different than before and at least I had fun doing it.
Edit, because I was typing this while you posted that last one... why the hell would a seer contact me, and how could I have any clue they were telling the truth? They don't even get their first vision until tonight.
Well, let's assume for a second you're evil AND have the shield. Obviously, if a bandwagon starts against you, you'll try to dump the items, most likely on one of your dirty, dirty evil compatriots. That's fine though, because now that means ONE person has TWO evil artifacts. Now, that evil person has the onerous task of convincing another villager to take up the Mantle of Evil (tm). This is a HUGE risk for the evil guy, and if the person he chooses to contact betrays him, the village has a chance to take out TWO evil artifacts with one blow! This, is a GOOD thing. My vote stands.
NATIK, you're from Europe! Awesome! Hopefully you'll enjoy phalla'ing and we're going start a European bloc together with Bliss.
Like, half of us.
More players from Europe, yes please, mayby we can nudge the times into something that isnt in the middle of the night that way ;-).
Though the idea of one bad guy with both a shield and killing ability is frightening.
Battlenet: Judgement#1243
psn: KupoZero
That said, !vote RNG 27 for now. Looks like that's you, Bliss 101.
I !Vote Romantic Undead.
Jerk.
!vote for Oatway
For now anyways
and I have no idea what you are talking about. Start a european bloc? what
Hey! I like Bliss, he defended me! I've got my eye on you, mister *glare*
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no U
!vote Oatway.
A Robot Grudge. Also this Undead/Nerissa thing is confusing, but I'll have to go with my gut and say Nerissa is being truthfulish (either lying to draw out stuff or being honest) and Undead is a vanillager.